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Should Pakistan recognize Israel?

Should Pakistan recognize and establish better ties with Israel?


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It might have been pointed out earlier, but the OP made a mistake.
Islam's third holiest site is not Dome of the Rock, but Masjid al-Aqsa which is built a small distance away from the Dome.
Second, we will not be hated by the Muslim world. Turkey and Egypt already recognize Israel and Qatar has official relations with them.
 
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@Oscar,

And you thought you are granted this right to question when verses of Qruan are presented with reference and still they are "out of context" because they do not teach what you think is right.

I am ready to teach you and anybody who is willing.. we will recite given references with 10 verses before and 10 verses after - or 20 verses before and 20 verses after - or 100 verses before and 100 verses after - or entire Quran before and entire Quran after. Pick what would you consider a wide enough context to understand right. I pray to Allah to show us all the right path and help us correct where we are wrong.

Waiting for your response now!



Quran is not a political polarity.

I have this right to question because the Quran is no one's property or Jageedari. You are NO one to claim the authority of Allah to judge lest you claim to be a prophet. Your bravado in these so called claims of reciting verses means trash if you cannot even give references to context of when and why the verse was revealed. Your 100 verses can be matched by an African Grey Parrot whom I can teach all these verses.
 
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Don't side with Arabs (if you may choose) but not siding with Arabs doesn't mean now you must side with Devil.
Good point but still we don't make enemies but friends and Arabs are not our friends and are not letting us make more friends
 
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Post reported. a permanent ban for your ignorant and insulting post recommended

Too much hatred taught. Satanic verses indeed.

I never engage in discussions with bhartis for a reason, you guys not only fail to understand the simple meaning but come up with your twisted logic to cross question. My answer to you, **** off.

So what happens if your 250 billion dollar economy de recognizes Bharat ? :o: Does that make any difference ? It would be like N.Korea not recognizing Japan.
 
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Either you announce you disbelieve Quran and would do whatever you think is right then you may go and accept Israel or Devil as your supporter - but those who believe will never accept or side with Israel.

If you are a believer, read this;

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah.

Surat An-Nisa' [4:46] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.


In the above Noble Verses, the Arabic word for "friends" is "Awliyaa", which has four literal meanings: (1) Allies; (2) Friends; and (3) Guardians. In Noble Verse 60:13, the Arabic word used was "tatawallu", which is derived from the root word "Awliyaa".

"Waliy" which is the singular of "Awliyaa" means "Guardian" as your parents were your guardians when you were a kid. So as you can see, the Arabic word "Awliyaa" has different literal meanings.

Important Note: In Noble Verse 60:13 above, Allah Almighty said "la tatawallu qawman", which literally means "take not as allies a tribe (or a community)", which further proves my point that "Awliyaa" in the Noble Verses above is meant for "alliance" and not personal "friendship".

Can Muslims take non-Muslims as friends?
 
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Rejection of Israeli state by Quaid'e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah:

“Every man and woman of the Muslim world will die before Jewry seizes Jerusalem. I hope the Jews will not succeed in their nefarious designs and I wish Britain and America should keep their hand off and then I will see how the Jews conquer Jerusalem. The Jews, over half a million, have already been accommodated in Jerusalem against the wishes of the people. May I know which other country has accommodated them? If domination and exploitation are carried now, there will be no peace and end of wars”.

Quaid'e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah:

"We Musalmans of India, are one with the Arab world on this issue. It is not a question of a National Home for Jews in Palestine. It is a question of Jews reconquering Palestine, which they had lost 2000 years ago, with the help of British bayonets and American money. I have no enmity against Jews. I know they were treated very badly in some parts of civilized Europe. But why should Palestine be dumped with such a large number of Jews? If Jews want to reconquer Palestine, let them face Arabs without British or American help"?
 
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Humse kon puch raha hai. Humarey mana karne se Israel khatam toh nahi hoga. Fazuliat hai
 
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Here you go.

The first Ayah was revealed in Madinah when the Muslims were facing threats left and right in their new fledging community. This included alliances where they were being betrayed by those Christians and Jews who inhabited Madina along with them. The motivation had NOTHING to do with religion but to do with land and economics(an idea that STILL persists to this day among Muslims themselves). That Surah and Ayat were all during that struggling to establish the Islamic community/state and how the other communities(who prior to Islam and the Muslim community would conspire against each other for economic gains). Today the verse still translates in the same vein as "keep your enemies close and your friends closer". Alliances are not friendship, and there is no friendship in diplomacy.Nowhere does it use any Arabic that refers to Isolation. Whosoever preaches that is ignorant and their followers more so.

The second Ayah has NOTHING to do with utter isolation in global alliances or diplomacy. The Ayah refers to to taking on friendship with non-muslims to the extent that you take on their behaviour and take their faults (which are not limited to promiscuous drinking, womanizing, taking on interst in loans etc in the personal sense .. and in a macro sense false ideals, false news and propaganda... etc etc.)..although most Muslims do this today.. exactly what this verse warned against.

Basically it refers to knowing that we as Muslims are seperate identity with our own values that need to be maintained. It means we dont end up making fun with a non-muslim(if they do) if a Muslim decides to stop in the middle of the road to pray. Nowhere does it ask you to be an isolationist or not take on weaponry, knowledge or alliances of convenience when needed. More ignorance if one takes it on the idea that you cannot ally or be general friends in life with non-muslims.

Your third verse too has nothing to do with the need for alliances. As it again refers to the conditions of medina and early Islam and the need to convince Muslims not to heed the ideas of the Torah. I have no idea who in their right minds even considers this relevant to diplomatic convention?

Your have learned the "communal", "social" and "behavioural" aspects of dealing with Jews - good, now expand on that and learn what are instructions for taking them as ally.

Surat Al-Mumtahanah [60:8] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."

It is clearly mentioned about alliances and not about social sharing or business engagements or communal set-ups. If your alliance of sharing is for trade, we are happy for Pakistan to establish trade terms.

Thankfully, there is a recent news which shows you even the "social" and "supportive" face Israel". So even when you are doing trade, you have to be mindful of their venom and games they are playing with us already.

I have this right to question because the Quran is no one's property or Jageedari. You are NO one to claim the authority of Allah to judge lest you claim to be a prophet. Your bravado in these so called claims of reciting verses means trash if you cannot even give references to context of when and why the verse was revealed. Your 100 verses can be matched by an African Grey Parrot whom I can teach all these verses.

@Oscar,

Whenever there is a heat, likelihood is that learning has stopped at that point. I would stand against for a cause but not for learning - so find me on your side and if my words present my humbleness, take it because I mean that.

Allah says Quran is guidance and it is guidance for whoever is willing to learn. So you take its verses, understand what is being said, understand why it is being said and apply that in life. We both know Allah has forbidden us from making Jews and Christians as allies - but now we are trying to find in which situations it might be permissible. It could be trade, it could be medicine or buying olives but they are not our military allies. There was a time when Israel was about to attack our nuclear installations, there was another when they supported India and stood against us in Kargil and recently, they were found backing NGOs creating problems in Pakistan and they openly voted against Pakistan in UN in their attempt to defend them. The list would be longer than memory is able to store.

You want to buy defence equipment you could count on, go on - but that doesn't turn them into an ally. You don't give room to snakes in your house ever.
 
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"Israel" is the name of Prophet, so being Muslim I have to believe and recognise it.

Zionist state is another story and some of the Jews themselves oppose it so what is the big deal here, I have no love and won't ever recognise this zionist state in my personal capacity. Pakistan Government if thinks otherwise can do whatever it wants who cares.
 
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Hi,

There is no reason for Pakistan not to recognize Israel. The right wing counts to nothing-----. The bottomline would be how much would the U S assist Pakistan---. If the assistance is substantial---then Pak govt can strongarm its way thru. Right wing won't count to much----.

Just do a pre-emptive strike-----execute them or take them in custody---the right wing leaders.
Honestly Pakistan is not doing anything to Israel right now. Whether it accepts Israel or not will make little difference. Pakistan is far away, and the US has Pakistan right where it wants it, why would it change anything?

THe problem with this logic is you assume you need someone else to come save you. Unless Pakistanis change their mindset and try changing themselves, nothing is going to make a difference.
 
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Honestly Pakistan is not doing anything to Israel right now. Whether it accepts Israel or not will make little difference. Pakistan is far away, and the US has Pakistan right where it wants it, why would it change anything?

Hi,

U S had Pakistan where it wanted to 4 years ago---. With the onslaught of isis----the U S is in a quandary----. They have lost all their influence over Pakistan----. Now it is back to offerings----by the U S.
 
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Honestly Pakistan is not doing anything to Israel right now. Whether it accepts Israel or not will make little difference. Pakistan is far away, and the US has Pakistan right where it wants it, why would it change anything?

THe problem with this logic is you assume you need someone else to come save you. Unless Pakistanis change their mindset and try changing themselves, nothing is going to make a difference.

Pakistan did send warplanes to fight Israel in the Arab-Israeli war. Well, Israelis didn't like that.

BTW, if Pakistan recognizes Israel, that means Israel will have their consulate in Pakistan, right ?
 
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Anyway Israel wont be bothered if Pakistan did not recognize it. As long as India has good relations with Israel, Pakistan will not have good relations with Israel. Pakistan gets its recognition by showing hatred towards India. So it makes sense to not recognize Israel for time being.
 
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Anyway Israel wont be bothered if Pakistan did not recognize it. As long as India has good relations with Israel, Pakistan will not have good relations with Israel. Pakistan gets its recognition by showing hatred towards India. So it makes sense to not recognize Israel for time being.

And you are spokesperson of Israel.
 
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