should pak army standerdize the M4 among regular troops

[TankMan]

both of these 3

Both of three?

by the way , anyone tell me the name of this third gun

HK G36, 'C' Variant I think.
Heckler & Koch :: Product Overview | G36

 

[rockstar08]

Both of three?

HK G36, 'C' Variant I think.
Heckler & Koch :: Product Overview | G36

sorry typo , actually first i didnt get the name of the third gun , so later i add
anyway all 3 guns are very nice ... even though never hold one in real life

 

[Zarvan]

sorry typo , actually first i didnt get the name of the third gun , so later i add
anyway all 3 guns are very nice ... even though never hold one in real life

Germans are not too happy with G36 we need to choose FN SCAR

 

[TankMan]

sorry typo , actually first i didnt get the name of the third gun , so later i add
anyway all 3 guns are very nice ... even though never hold one in real life

Yeah, they have a nice modern feel to them. Definitely look lighter and more polished than the G3 or AK. I have held an AK and G3 but not these ones.

Germans are not too happy with G36

Mainly because of the ergonomics, polymers and overly-stylized design that cause problems with the barrel - they focused too much on making it futuristic and now it's having problems, though they'll probably solve them sooner or later.

we need to choose FN SCAR

Either that or HK 416/417. The new AK looks pretty good too, but I don't think Russia will be selling it any time soon.
HK 417:

AK-12:

 

[A1Kaid]

Germans are not too happy with G36 we need to choose FN SCAR

FN Scar is that even a viable option? Is FN Hertsal going to give POF manufacturing rights and licenses to manufacture this rifle? I doubt it. Whatever new rifle Pakistan chooses it must be one that can be built at home.

 

[Zarvan]

FN Scar is that even a viable option? Is FN Hertsal going to give POF manufacturing rights and licenses to manufacture this rifle? I doubt it. Whatever new rifle Pakistan chooses it must be one that can be built at home.

I agree and if we can get FN SCAR with license than otherwise either try go for HK-417 or if not that than only option is MPT-76

 

[A1Kaid]

I agree and if we can get FN SCAR with license than otherwise either try go for HK-417 or if not that than only option is MPT-76

Maybe Pakistan could equip specialized units with FN Scar rifles if it can get a deal to purchase them from FN. However, we are discussing standard issued rifle, rifle that will be given to every soldier. MPT-76 is more viable of the three options, special relationship with Turkiye could help us land ToT and the licenses from MKE needed for domestic manufacturing of the MPT-76. Of course, the other option is a modified G3 design.

 

[That Guy]

Germans are not too happy with G36 we need to choose FN SCAR

Do you have any idea how expensive the SCAR is? Not worth it. Pakistan should open a competition for a new standard rifle, but not yet. Once Pakistan's economy is in order then do it, there is no rhyme nor reason to right now.

 

[Zarvan]

Maybe Pakistan could equip specialized units with FN Scar rifles if it can get a deal to purchase them from FN. However, we are discussing standard issued rifle, rifle that will be given to every soldier. MPT-76 is more viable of the three options, special relationship with Turkiye could help us land ToT and the licenses from MKE needed for domestic manufacturing of the MPT-76. Of course, the other option is a modified G3 design.

Yes and also Turkey just like was using G3 and now replacing it with MPT-75A

 

[That Guy]

As I see we have only three options either FN SCAR or HK-417 or MPT76 and most easy for us is to get MPT76

An open competition would bring in a lot more options than these three. Though, realistically, HK-417 would be the easiest option, as Pakistan and HK already know what to expect from a deal, considering Pakistan's current standard rifle is the HK G-3.

Maybe Pakistan could equip specialized units with FN Scar rifles if it can get a deal to purchase them from FN. However, we are discussing standard issued rifle, rifle that will be given to every soldier. MPT-76 is more viable of the three options, special relationship with Turkiye could help us land ToT and the licenses from MKE needed for domestic manufacturing of the MPT-76. Of course, the other option is a modified G3 design.

A standard rifle would require a ToT and license production, especially considering the large size and nature of the military. Every consortium offering their rifle would have to agree to this, because it is simply a part of the nature of such a deal. FN, HK and MKEK, along with every other major rifle developer and manufacturer understands this already.

 

[A1Kaid]

Yes and also Turkey just like was using G3 and now replacing it with MPT-75A

True, and the Turkish army seems to be very happy with the MPT-76. MKE has torture tested the rifle and fired thousands of rounds through the rifle and the rifle continues to perform incredibly well, it's a reliable system. If Pakistani army is looking for a new standard issue rifle they should certainly look at the MPT-76.

An open competition would bring in a lot more options than these three. Though, realistically, HK-417 would be the easiest option, as Pakistan and HK already know what to expect from a deal, considering Pakistan's current standard rifle is the HK G-3.


A standard rifle would require a ToT and license production, especially considering the large size and nature of the military. Every consortium offering their rifle would have to agree to this, because it is simply a part of the nature of such a deal.

Why are you repeating what I said? See post #80.

 

[That Guy]

Why are you repeating what I said? See post #80.

Because you didn't?

This is what you said

FN Scar is that even a viable option? Is FN Hertsal going to give POF manufacturing rights and licenses to manufacture this rifle? I doubt it. Whatever new rifle Pakistan chooses it must be one that can be built at home.

You're implying that a major consortium would deny this happening. A stardardized rifle requires a ToT and license production, that is the nature of such a deal, FN, HK, MKEK, COLT and every other consortium understands this already. If they don't want to give such a thing, they won't even bother entering the competition and offering their rifle. As soon as they offer their rifle, they're practically agreeing to give ToT and license production.

It's the nature of the deal, and FN understands this. If they offer their rifle, they'll give the ToT and license production rights to Pakistan, because that is the only way for them to win the competition.

 

[A1Kaid]

Because you didn't?

This is what you said



You're implying that a major consortium would deny this happening. A stardardized rifle requires a ToT and license production, that is the nature of such a deal, FN, HK, MKEK, COLT and every other consortium understands this already. If they don't want to give such a thing, they won't even bother entering the competition and offering their rifle. As soon as they offer their rifle, they're practically agreeing to give ToT and license production.

It's the nature of the deal, and FN understands this. If they offer their rifle, they'll give the ToT and license production rights to Pakistan, because that is the only way for them to win the competition.

You obviously don't understand this part then.

Whatever new rifle Pakistan chooses it must be one that can be built at home.

Built at home means Tot and License needed for domestic production, you cannot build at home without the two. You need to improve your comprehension skills. I also refer to ToT in Post#82. You really have nothing to add to this discussion except for repeating others points in a rephrased manner.

Maybe Pakistan could equip specialized units with FN Scar rifles if it can get a deal to purchase them from FN. However, we are discussing standard issued rifle, rifle that will be given to every soldier. MPT-76 is more viable of the three options, special relationship with Turkiye could help us land ToT and the licenses from MKE needed for domestic manufacturing of the MPT-76. Of course, the other option is a modified G3 design.

Like I said you need to improve your comprehension skills, for you it seems everything needs to be explicitly put for you to understand something.

 

[That Guy]

You obviously don't understand this part then.

Built at home means Tot and License needed for domestic production, you cannot build at home without the two. You need to improve your comprehension skills. I also refer to ToT in Post#82. You really have nothing to add to this discussion except for repeating others points in a rephrased manner.

I don't disagree with this particular point, nor am I repeating anything. What you said was that you doubted FN would agree to any ToT, I disagreed. That's what I'm saying. If FN enters a competition, or offers it's rifle, they would have to agree to it, and I think they would. Just offering the rifle would imply they agree, but your comment suggested that they would offer but never agree to these demands.

I think I should have phrased my comment better, clearly there was some sort of misunderstanding, so I apologize, but I would ask you refrain from insulting my intelligence. You aren't the only one who thought of this point, others have as well.

Like I said you need to improve your comprehension skills, for you it seems everything needs to be explicitly put for you to understand something.

You're pointing to a part of the comment that I'm not addressing. I don't even disagree with this part of your comment.

 

[A1Kaid]

I don't disagree with this particular point, nor am I repeating anything. What you said was that you doubted FN would agree to any ToT, I disagreed. That's what I'm saying. If FN enters a competition, or offers it's rifle, they would have to agree to it, and I think they would.

I think I should have phrased my comment better, clearly there was some sort of misunderstanding.

FN has two manufacturing plants one in Belgium and the other in US. They aren't going to give ToT or license it is a very exclusive rifle. Perhaps after it is decades old and obsolete they may provide ToT and license to other companies but as of now they do not. A more viable alternative is the MPT-76, as Pakistani Government has strong relations with the Turkish government that owns MKE. AFAIK Turks were even willing to offer the T-129 so I don't doubt they would offer MPT-76.

Have you ever contacted FN? Why do you think they would offer ToT and license on their most exclusive and prized rifle?