Shooter Heena Sidhu withdraws from tournament in Iran, says won't wear hijab

[Nilgiri]

The big question mark still remains and that is being a woman it is beyond understanding that why all you liberal and conservative males out there consider it your due right to regulate women bodies.

All of us? I certainly don't. Women should present themselves however they see fit. How this changes in any society when there are rules that prevent this...is an intricate complicated thing that will take time and development.....or I guess revolutions in the case of some of them.

 

[T-72]

The clash in those countries where they have this tag of secularism with their title, is that imposing dress code on other be it removing hijab or banning full body dress is against norms of SECULARISM.

Being naked or semi naked is not LIBERALISM Or Secularism . Being accommodation to personal; choices of people from different faiths is.

sorry, but that's an often abused strawman argument people use.

nobody is saying women should parade around semi naked, secularism, spl the French variety, is about keeping religiosity and associated articles away from public life and I think the niqab? (the full tent style talibani veil) is at direct odds with their ideals.

 

[Nilgiri]

When France impose ban on Muslims to wear Burqini Indians get happy when Iran or Saudi impose the dress code on foreigners travelling to their country they complain like bitches. Hypocrisy and scumbagness makes one an indian

Who is complaining here? Complaining would be this lady actually going there and raising a big fuss about it. She made her decision and is not going. Clean and simple. Now lets see the people that have issue with France's laws do the exact same thing.

 

[Erhabi]

Who is complaining here? Complaining would be this lady actually going there and raising a big fuss about it. She made her decision and is not going. Clean and simple. Now lets see the people that have issue with France's laws do the exact same thing.

I wasnt talking about her. Look at the Indian members posts on this thread.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The clash in those countries where they have this tag of secularism with their title, is that imposing dress code on other be it removing hijab or banning full body dress is against norms of SECULARISM.

Being naked or semi naked is not LIBERALISM Or Secularism . Being accommodation to personal; choices of people from different faiths is.

agree.. freedom is not the degree of flesh on display

but the free will to dress in a way which is respectable and not provocative.. now these both are subjective terms and people from opposite side of polls might have different view on what is decent and what is not but we are not talking about those extremist a holes.. we are talking about the moderate people who will see a dress like below and say oh yea that is respectable, elegant and cant be objected in a normal progressive and inclusive society

 

[Jackdaws]

But that logic is strange. She should be logical enough to understand if you enter a place where a religious aspect is being practised, then you should abide by it. It does not matter if your religion does not practise that. She is acting like they're forcing her to become a Muslim or that covering herself is against her religion. As far as Iran is concerned, in Islam a women should cover her hair, whether their religious interpretation is correct or not is a different matter.

I am not even a Muslim myself. But I would still respect the rules of a particular religion as long as it's not putting me a serious risks etc.

Nope. Should India insist that next time an Iranian team come for a sport - the men sport tilaks and their women wear saris? What nonsense - if you want to host an international sporting event, start behaving rationally. Didn't a chess player also pull out of an Iranian event?

 

[Nilgiri]

I do too, but it's generally the natives who fold when both these ideologies clash in liberal secular Europe.

Hence why I like the French stance, even though I may not agree with it 100%. You have to be rigid at some point...might as well put the barrier early in the battlefield to protect as much of your turf behind it as possible.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

see this dress .. no wonder this young couple is a winner

 

[Nilgiri]

I wasnt talking about her. Look at the Indian members posts on this thread.

You branded certain traits as defining all Indians.

So she is not an Indian? Or the others like me that fully support Iran to have its own laws and rules?

@Nilgiri

Like you,I support this woman's decision,but will also say that their country,their rules. I won't go to a country I don't like the rules and how they are enforced,even if I was paid for it.

Thats basically it bro.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Nope. Should India insist that next time an Iranian team come for a sport - the men sport tilaks and their women wear saris? What nonsense - if you want to host an international sporting event, start behaving rationally. Didn't a chess player also pull out of an Iranian event?

these relegious fanatics are born from the wrong hole .. hence they are bitter for the rest of their lives and their first target is the weaker sex.

 

[Nilgiri]

see this dress .. no wonder this young couple is a winner


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tbh kate middleton looks good in pretty much anything

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

he is smart really

he is keeping Modi sweet. "leaks" a story which pleases India
but has given free land to Hafiz Saeed and uses the muscle of Islamic extremists from Punjab to beat up , bully and kill his political opponents.. but if some of these extremists join JeM etc then too bad for India .. oh wait .. he will together with India blame Pakistan army.. same Pakistan army whose army chief has been targeted for assassination few times.

now to make it more interesting he has liberal media and intellectuals like Najam Sethi and Hussain Haqqani (currently under PPP contract but changes sides whoever can afford his paycheck) and ultra racist ethnic but secular leaders like Mehmood Achakzai etc in his good books.. he and his brother might even go to soho in London or maybe bring the bar (and more) to his private penthouse in London to appear non-radical as well to stay out of red flag category of the western governments.

This is not Modi specific- The Govt- here both Modi and Congress have tried their best with civilian Govt- on that side, General thumb rule is that do nothing which would damage democratic institutions however weak or bad It might be- The process is important- It must survive- A reason why Modi went to Lahore to show the world that we think Nawaz is the boss-

I recall all this has been put on emergency basis and was seen in London when he was returning from UN- He tried to do an Ayatollah in some mall which had a lady shopping- And the activities of his ministers and recent activities in Quetta all are making it too obvious- It would be interesting to see how you people respond to this-

 

[Spring Onion]

agree.. freedom is not the degree of flesh on display

but the free will to dress in a way which is respectable and not provocative.. now these both are subjective terms and people from opposite side of polls might have different view on what is decent and what is not but we are not talking about those extremist a holes.. we are talking about the moderate people who will see a dress like below and say oh yea that is respectable, elegant and cant be objected in a normal progressive and inclusive society

I do not agree with the bold line in black ; That is not my argument.

What is provocative for me, may not be provocative for you and for me this formula applies on all irrespective of their faith and level of liberalism.

So what I am trying to say that if anyone gets provoked by a bikini or by a burqa then is his or her mental issue of coping with respect for personal choice to dress of the particular individual.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I do not agree with the bold line in black ; That is not my argument.

What is provocative for me, may not be provocative for you and for me this formula applies on all irrespective of their faith and level of liberalism.

So what I am trying to say that if anyone gets provoked by a bikini or by a burqa then is his or her mental issue of coping with respect for personal choice to dress of the particular individual.

I already preempted that response and made a qualified statement. read it again till the end

i explained that already that the term is subjective and to get a consensus we always avoid the extreme cases you quoted

a Bikini vs a woman in a walking tent.

dont talk extremes .. talk a middle ground.

its not a hopeless case as suggested. born extremist haters wont be happy anyway but majority is just fine
following is just an example lets move on
an Indian girl has chosen to express her opinion against the Iranian dress restrictions targeted at women.

 

[Spring Onion]

I already preempted that response and made a qualified statement. read it again till the end

i explained that already that the term is subjective and to get a consensus we always avoid the extreme cases you quoted

a Bikini vs a woman in a walking tent.

dont talk extremes .. talk a middle ground.

the issue is only burqa is called extreme not the other one.

Anyway I am not talking extremes. There are people who go for both according to own will that is fine not extreme.

Then there is imposition of burqa which is extreme and then there is removal of hijab by force which is extreme and then there is male regulation of women body by claiming bikini is liberation. All these are extreme.

its not a hopeless case as suggested. born extremist haters wont be happy anyway but majority is just fine
following is just an example lets move on
an Indian girl has chosen to express her opinion against the Iranian dress restrictions targeted at women.



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what is wrong with the above images ? both from point of view of conservatives as well as liberals ? )))))))))))

I do not see any . from both point of view.

Oh BTW do not call it tent since I do wear it according to my convenience.

As far as the Indian lady exercising her right well I am absolutely fine with that.

I was just reminding Indians how easily they come up with that particular argument "if Muslims are not ok with so and so laws they should leave west".