Settle Kashmir and Get the Reward!!!

[blackbriar]

"We" clearly doesn't include Kashmiris or Indian govt wouldn't need 700k troops to hold the land, the people...etc.



Right right. Because your religion/country is a trillion years old and all the past Muslim and British empires that ruled the subcontinent were just a bad dream?


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see this is again what ur government tells u...700k troops were there till 2004, now there are no more 60000 troops(rashtriya rifles) controlling terrosrism.it was in the hey days of terrorism when the indian state flooded kashmir with troops.now the counter insurgency tactics have become so refined and the rashtriya rifles have become so good at counter-insurgency that no need for so many troops.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/rashtriya-rifles.htm

the british were invaders on the indian subcontinent.the mughals and muslim rulers were indians..we are proud of that part of our history.all the muslim rulers of the sub continent with all the hindu leaders have made what we re today.they are in our consiousness.akbar was born in a rajput home.netaji subhash chandra bose before attacking the britsh with the INA paid homage to bahadur shah zafar mouselum in burma before stepping on indian soil vowing to stop at the red fort.u ppl call tipu sultan ur own...hehehe tipu sultan never even visited pakistan.he was a great indian leader.
***At an auction in London in 2004, the industrialist-politician Vijay Mallya purchased the sword of Tippu Sultan and some other historical artifacts, and brought them back to India for public display after nearly two centuries.
pakistanis have so few leaders to call their own they are not even ashamed to call leader from the middle east,turkey or india their own.

 

[jai_shri_Ram]

good reply buddy....

 

[UnitedPak]

the british were invaders on the indian subcontinent.the mughals and muslim rulers were indians..we are proud of that part of our history.all the muslim rulers of the sub continent with all the hindu leaders have made what we re today.they are in our consiousness.akbar was born in a rajput home.netaji subhash chandra bose before attacking the britsh with the INA paid homage to bahadur shah zafar mouselum in burma before stepping on indian soil vowing to stop at the red fort.u ppl call tipu sultan ur own...hehehe tipu sultan never even visited pakistan.he was a great indian leader.
***At an auction in London in 2004, the industrialist-politician Vijay Mallya purchased the sword of Tippu Sultan and some other historical artifacts, and brought them back to India for public display after nearly two centuries.
pakistanis have so few leaders to call their own they are not even ashamed to call leader from the middle east,turkey or india their own.

You have a very flawed perception of Muslim history in the subcontinent to think that you can 'claim' Muslim empires/leaders for your country. It doesnt really work that way.
I would suggest you get half a clue on who the Mughals were.

Fortunately for Pakistanis, history is not an ego game.

 

[blackbriar]

You have a very flawed perception of Muslim history in the subcontinent to think that you can 'claim' Muslim empires/leaders for your country. It doesnt really work that way.
I would suggest you get half a clue on who the Mughals were.

Fortunately for Pakistanis, history is not an ego game.

im not claiming anything.the 'muslim rulers' as u call them ruled from agra,delhi,lucknow,mysore not lahore, karachi which are a part of india.our history under these rulers and hindu rulers are a part of our history and culture and taught to everyone in classrooms.our history does not start or end with a religion but is connected to the history of this land.unlike pakistan whose history starts with the muslim league and ends there.and now u want to claim rulers who ruled in india just cus they r muslims.the land of pakistan has been ruled from delhi for the past centuries by indian rulers,they may be hindus or muslims.

 

[dabong1]

see this is again what ur government tells u...700k troops were there till 2004, now there are no more 60000 troops(rashtriya rifles) controlling terrosrism.it was in the hey days of terrorism when the indian state flooded kashmir with troops.now the counter insurgency tactics have become so refined and the rashtriya rifles have become so good at counter-insurgency that no need for so many troops.
Rashtriya Rifles

You should have your own comedy show........the pak govt stopped the crossing of the LOC by freedom fighters to get rid of your contast excuse about "cross border terrorism" before any talks cantake place abd has nothing to do with "rashtriya rifles have become so good at counter-insurgency that no need for so many troops.".....keep dreaming.

 

[UnitedPak]

im not claiming anything.the 'muslim rulers' as u call them ruled from agra,delhi,lucknow,mysore not lahore, karachi which are a part of india.our history under these rulers and hindu rulers are a part of our history and culture and taught to everyone in classrooms.our history does not start or end with a religion but is connected to the history of this land.unlike pakistan whose history starts with the muslim league and ends there.and now u want to claim rulers who ruled in india just cus they r muslims.the land of pakistan has been ruled from delhi for the past centuries by indian rulers,they may be hindus or muslims.

Muslim League? So you just proved that this is an ego driven number game to you. Use all the political definitions you like. Doesnt change the fact that Pakistans history starts with the Indus Valley. Its the history of the land and the people of the land.
Pakistan also has a significant amount of Hindu and Buddhist past which belongs to the people of Pakistan. I dont know according to what logic you think its Indian.

And going by your logic of Indian Muslim empires, that would make the Sikh rule of Punjab a Pakistani empire.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Thread closed for moderation.

Too many posts on issues already being discussed elsewhere, and will be moved to relevant threads.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

All posts related to demographics of Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan moved here - continue the discussion there:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/33756-demographics-azad-kashmir-gilgit-baluchistan.html

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

All UNSC resolutions and 'Pakistan should have withdrawn its troops' posts moved here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/7904-kashmir-resolutions-explanations.html

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[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

sorry to say...but globally now afghanistan and pakistan have become global focus of terror pool.....

pakistan shud forget kashmir.....otherwise...talibans, pashtoon's and baluch and al-qaida will become migrane for the whole world......and than it will become another iraq for US, israel, france, UK.....has anybody found till date who killed benazir bhutto..and why some third party was called to investigate..????very sad....condition....


it is the political leadership of pakistan which is misleading the people.....and diverting it to india.....pakistani people shud target first their corrupt political leadership.....remove them from their throne...focus on development and try to work on it hard...otherwise the sad day will come....when on roads of lahore and islamabad...you will see NATO soldiers...patrolling...that will be really sad day..for whole of ASIA

 

[coppernicks]

believe it or not both the countries want to continue the issue...

Kashmir issue end means financial loss to both

Kashmir issue end means people will start looking toward development and their demands will grow.

It also means lower levels of security which is necessary to show importance. politicians of both the countries are same.

Look at trade between both the countries. even during war they were trading....now they are not in 'talking terms' but they are trading....very good.

both of them want a piece of Kashmir, if they wish for free kashmir, free it just dont call it.

 

[Icarus]

What about Balochistan?? Arent they Muslims? Why is your army operating there? Isnt it Muslim blood being spilled? Isnt Human rights being violated there?

Rest assured, there is no active military op in Balochistan, last time military op was carried out in Balochistan was when Bugti was killed.
No Human blood is being spilt and no human rights being violated.
If you don't believe me, ask this guy, he is a Baloch.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members/pakistani-nationalist.html

 

[deckingraj]

believe it or not both the countries want to continue the issue...

Kashmir issue end means financial loss to both

Kashmir issue end means people will start looking toward development and their demands will grow.

Sorry but what an insane logic.... How about applying it to every state of India and create havocs there...this would be a good way to curb people demand for growth...

It also means lower levels of security which is necessary to show importance. politicians of both the countries are same.

Did not get what you are trying to say here...However i agree that politicians use Kashmir sentiments for their political benefits....but same is true for any other state...only the cause is different...

Look at trade between both the countries. even during war they were trading....now they are not in 'talking terms' but they are trading....very good.

Yeah look at their trade...its is not even equal to pea-nuts as compared to their respective trade volumes...

both of them want a piece of Kashmir, if they wish for free kashmir, free it just dont call it.

The only part i agree with you...India has made is clear Pakistan because of its stand has created a puppet govt. there....In the end both wants to have their hands on Kashmir becuase of its strategic value...

 

[Icarus]

The only part i agree with you...India has made is clear Pakistan because of its stand has created a puppet govt. there....In the end both wants to have their hands on Kashmir becuase of its strategic value...

1)Independant Electoral Process
2)Independant Judiciary
3)Seperate National Assembly
4)Seperate PM and President
5)Access to Pakistanis beyond Muzzafarabad not granted unless given special permit by govt(Kinda like a visa).
6)Seperate bills and legislative motions.
"Puppet Govt", I don't think so....................

 

[Jackdaws]

Neither nation is going to give up its claim. I guess in a way both are right. Kashmiris will continue to suffer. The only way I see it going away is when the economies of both countries are sufficiently developed to an extent that the population of both countries doesn't really care if they lose Kashmir. Only then will a middle ground emerge.