M. Sarmad
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Lol, what does this post prove at all?
That there were differences between Ch. Rehmat Ali and M.A Jinnah?
You've written pure fluff with no meaning. Just gave useless "references" to feel intellectual without actually driving your point home.
My point was that throughout Pakistan movement pre-partition, Pakistan was envisioned as an Islamic country to be made in India, NOT a secular country.
Pakistani founding documents (Pakistan Resolution, our first Constitution, and Objective Resolution etc) ALL imagined and declared Pakistan as an Islamic state.
Your premise that Pakistan was made as an secular country literally has no validity in history. Not even one document mentioned Pakistan's secular nature...pre and post partition. The masses who struggled for Pakistan did not saw themselves fighting for a secular Republic like Germany---but an Islamic country in subcontinent. "Pakistan ka mtlab kya? La Ilaha Il Allah" became a mainstream slogan for Muslims of subcontinent struggling for their own independent nation-state in the region. You think they had 'secularism' in mind as they raised these slogans and campaign for the creation of Pakistan?
As I said, you can fool yourself--but please don't try to fool the audience.
Founding Father's imagination of Pakistan
Allama Iqbal:
Allama Muhammad Iqbal in 1937, in a letter to Jinnah wrote, "After a long and careful study of Islamic Law I have come to the conclusion that if this system of Law is properly understood and applied, at last the right to subsistence is secured to every body. But the enforcement and development of the Shariat of Islam is impossible in this country without a free Muslim state or states. This has been my honest conviction for many years and I still believe this to be the only way to solve the problem of bread for Muslims as well as to secure a peaceful India.
(Source: Iqbal's letters to Jinnah: Columbia University Press)
Muhammad Ali Jinnah:
"Pakistan is the premier Islamic State and the fifth largest in the world. . . The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of men, justice and fair-play to everybody.’’
(Source: Radio Broadcast to the People of the United States of America, February 1948)
"You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil.” (Quaid-e-Azam)
Furthermore, Liaquat Ali Khan, Pakistan's first prime minister, introduced "Objective's Resolution" in Pakistan's assembley in 1949. Same Objective Resolution that declared Pakistan to be a state based on Islam.
These are just few examples, if you study Pakistan movement in detail---it becomes clear that Pakistan was destined to be an Islamic country based in the ideals of Islam.
There is absolutely zero evidence that Pakistan's founders wanted it to be a secular country. Please stop lying through your teeth and quoting irrelevant material out of context.
You can argue that we have failed to produce a just and examplery Islamic Republic that M.A Jinnah wanted us to...that's a totally valid argument. But to say that Pakistan was not supposed to be an Islamic state but a secular Republic is nothing but pure mythology.
Good... Now you know that "Now or Never" was not the founding document of Pakistan, nor was Ch. Rahmat Ali Pakistan's founding father. Similarly, neither 1949 Objectives Resolution, nor 1956 Constitution was drafted by our founding father.
As For the Objectives Resolution:
1) The resolution was debated for five days.
Hindu members of the Constitutional Assembly argued that the Objectives Resolution differed with Jinnah's view in all the basic points.
Sris Chandra Chattopadhyaya said: "What I hear in this (Objectives) Resolution is not the voice of the great creator of Pakistan - the Quaid-i-Azam, nor even that of the Prime Minister of Pakistan the Honorable Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan, but of the Ulema of the land." [ Constituent Assembly debate March 12, 1949]
Birat Chandra Mandal declared that Jinnah had "unequivocally said that Pakistan will be a secular state." [ Constituent Assembly debate March 9, 1949]
Bhupendra Kumar Datta went a step further: ...were this resolution to come before this house within the life-time of the Great Creator of Pakistan, the Quaid-i-Azam, it would not have come in its present shape...." [ Constituent Assembly debates March 8, 1949]
2) According to Muhammad Munir, the Chief Justice of the Federal Court, the terms of the Objectives Resolution differ in all the basic points of the Quaid-i-Azam's views e.g:
a). The Quaid-i-Azam has said that in the new state sovereignty would rest with the people. The Resolution starts with the statement that sovereignty rests with Allah. This concept negates the basic idea of modern democracy that there are no limits on the legislative power of a representative assembly.
b). There is a reference to the protection of the minorities of their right to worship and practice their religion, whereas the Quaid-i-Azam had stated that there would be no minorities on the basis of religion.
c) The distinction between religious majorities and minorities takes away from the minority, the right of equality, which again is a basic idea of modern democracy.
d) The provision relating to Muslims being enabled to lead their life according to Islam is opposed to the conception of a secular state.
3) The Ulema themselves claimed that the Quaid-i-Azam's conception of a modern national state....became obsoletewith the passing of the Objectives Resolution on 12th March 1949. (Munir Report p-203)
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So, The Non Muslims in the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, The Chief Justice of Pakistan and the Ulema of Pakistan (all of them) admitted that The Objectives Resolution was against the vision of Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
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Now coming to your second point,
Jinnah was absolutely clear on what he was doing ... :
1) Jinnah wanted a state where every one would be "equal citizen of the state" irrespective of religion, caste,ethnicity etc.. where religion would be a "personal matter" and not the "business of the state" (In Jinnah's own words)... Jinnah strongly disapproved of the idea of having a theocratic or "Islamic" state .. (which we are today ,.. unfortunately..)
2) Jinnah (and Iqbal too) believed that this kind of separation of church from state (i.e secularism) was perfectly "Islamic" ... and that Islam in its true spirit was purely "democratic" ... Both these ideas were rejected by the orthodox Muslims .. While Democracy has been accepted by the majority of Muslisms today, "accepting secularism" may take another few decades ...
3) Jinnah and conservatives/Mullahs were diametrically opposed in their interpretation of Islam ... What Jinnah and Iqbal believed was the "true spirit" of Islam, that was considered "Kufr" and "Shirk" by the Mullahs ....
4) Today conservatives claim that Jinnah wanted an "Islamic Pakistan" and to prove their point they quote speeches/interviews of Jinnah where he has talked about Islam, but then they very conveniently replace Jinnah`s definition of Islam with Mullah`s definition of Islam (which is opposite to Jinnah`s def.) ... The result is that one gets an impression that either Jinnah was confused and had no clear vision OR he was a hypocrite who wanted a secular constitution but talked about Islam (supposedly anti secular) .... Truth is, the only hypocrites are the Mullahs and the conservatives ... Jinnah and Iqbal had a clear vision .... A progressive and modern Pakistan based on "reinterpretation" of Islamic teachings .... Secular and Democratic .. Secularism and democracy that would not be western but Islamic ... !!!
Dr. Javed Iqbal (Allama Iqbal`s son) explains this in the following words ...... it is self-evident that there is complete harmony in the views of Quaid-i-Azam and Allama Iqbal regarding the establishment of a modern Islamic democratic welfare state in Pakistan. The founders of Pakistan certainly had a very clear vision. They approved of a definite interpretation of Islam on which they founded Pakistan, and according to them, it was only through that interpretation that the Muslims could possibly realize their objectives in the newly created Muslim state.