Sea Spark 2015 & It's important aspect

[fatman17]

yes its a big step. It simply means that PN is equipped with Thunders now. Our PDF members did not noticed this news in true meaning. Many of them often miscalculate the potential of F-16s and JF-17s.

No 2 Sqn belongs to PAF and has the prime role of maritime strike.

 

[Saifullah]

Sir,

Please refer to the air cmdr's interview----

I have read the interview thoroughly. He said we will carry one or preferably two drop tank. one on the wing and other on center station. So if needed Center line Tank can be exchanged with the missile if needed or required by the Mission.

What you have said is that it can't carry more then 1 missile because of balance issue and it will always be carried on Center point in contrast to that what Cmdr have said is that it will carry missile on wing point and on other wing point it will carry a drop tank. Even the interviewer was asking about the balance while carrying the missile. If the missile is on center line then where is the need of balance ?

So the scenario i have described in my last post will be used if there is need of two missiles.

Regards

 

[MastanKhan]

I have read the interview thoroughly. He said we will carry one or preferably two drop tank. one on the wing and other on center station. So if needed Center line Tank can be exchanged with the missile if needed or required by the Mission.

What you have said is that it can't carry more then 1 missile because of balance issue and it will always be carried on Center point in contrast to that what Cmdr have said is that it will carry missile on wing point and on other wing point it will carry a drop tank. Even the interviewer was asking about the balance while carrying the missile. If the missile is on center line then where is the need of balance ?

So the scenario i have described in my last post will be used if there is need of two missiles.

Regards

Plz post the link to the interview---thanks.

 

[Saifullah]

Plz post the link to the interview---thanks.

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex
(PAC) Vice-Director and JF-17 sales &
marketing manager ACR Mahmood
Khalid talks to Georg Mader for
Defence Industry Bulletin;
Paris, June 2015.

 

[MastanKhan]

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Pakistan Aeronautical Complex
(PAC) Vice-Director and JF-17 sales &
marketing manager ACR Mahmood
Khalid talks to Georg Mader for
Defence Industry Bulletin;
Paris, June 2015.

Hi,

I could not open up the link to the whole article----

 

[Saifullah]

Hi,

I could not open up the link to the whole article----

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Vice-Director and JF-17 sales & marketing manager interview

 

[MastanKhan]

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Vice-Director and JF-17 sales & marketing manager interview

It clearly states one CM 400---the other are about the location of the fuel tank and not the second CM400---then you conveniently missed the next question----and here it is

" DIB: So the typical load of the

‘Thunder’ over the ocean would

be one large anti-ship missile or

ALCM, one fuel tank on the centreand

one on the wing-station, plus

self-defence WVR-missiles on the

outer station...

ACRK: Completely right... "

Pappy---I will be thrilled if it can carry 2 CM400's---but this is what it is----and then with this load---nd the new spec sheet out---the strike range is extremely poor without an air refueler.

 

[Saifullah]

It clearly states one CM 400---the other are about the location of the fuel tank and not the second CM400---then you conveniently missed the next question----and here it is

" DIB: So the typical load of the

‘Thunder’ over the ocean would

be one large anti-ship missile or

ALCM, one fuel tank on the centreand

one on the wing-station, plus

self-defence WVR-missiles on the

outer station...

ACRK: Completely right... "

Pappy---I will be thrilled if it can carry 2 CM400's---but this is what it is----and then with this load---nd the new spec sheet out---the strike range is extremely poor without an air refueler.

You are clearly missing out some thing. I am talking about that the capability AC have and you are talking about how PAF will use the AC "typically".
So the thing is JF can carry 2 missiles and a drop tank. Its all together different PAF uses it or not.

Regards

 

[MastanKhan]

You are clearly missing out some thing. I am talking about that the capability AC have and you are talking about how PAF will use the AC "typically".
So the thing is JF can carry 2 missiles and a drop tank. Its all together different PAF uses it or not.

Regards

No---I am not missing anything about the CM400----. It clearly states and gives the TECHNICAL reason why it is so---not an assume that makes an as-s out of u and me---.

Are you kids that desperate that you want to start a make believe----.

Your talking about the capability means ZILCH----NADA---NOTHING----and these are negative connotations----which all mean no no and no----.

When the PAF releases information that now it is able to mount 2 CM400 for strike mission---then I will accept the capability at that time---. I will be happy like a rooster at 4:30 in the morning and will do my best impression of a cockadoodledoo----.

 

[Saifullah]

No---I am not missing anything about the CM400----. It clearly states and gives the TECHNICAL reason why it is so---not an assume that makes an as-s out of u and me---.

Are you kids that desperate that you want to start a make believe----.

Your talking about the capability means ZILCH----NADA---NOTHING----and these are negative connotations----which all mean no no and no----.

When the PAF releases information that now it is able to mount 2 CM400 for strike mission---then I will accept the capability at that time---. I will be happy like a rooster at 4:30 in the morning and will do my best impression of a cockadoodledoo----.

Sir

should i call you old man.... ?

i don't know what are you arguing about. I have represented a senario in which JF can carry 2 Missile just like JF can carry more then 2 BVR in exchange of drop tanks or WVR. it does not mean that JF will always carry more then 2 BVR does it ?. Typical load for AOA will be 2 WVR,2 BVR and drop tanks.So does this mean JF can't carry more then 2 BVR ?

i hope you understands what i am trying to explain if not there is no benefit of extending this discussion as i have made enough clear point.

Regards

 

[air marshal]

 

[Windjammer]

Chief of the naval staff, Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah and Pakistan Air Force chief, Sohail Aman review exercise SEASPARK 2015 on November 9, 2015. PHOTO: PAKISTAN NAVY

 

[Khafee]

Sir

should i call you old man.... ?

i don't know what are you arguing about. I have represented a senario in which JF can carry 2 Missile just like JF can carry more then 2 BVR in exchange of drop tanks or WVR. it does not mean that JF will always carry more then 2 BVR does it ?. Typical load for AOA will be 2 WVR,2 BVR and drop tanks.So does this mean JF can't carry more then 2 BVR ?

i hope you understands what i am trying to explain if not there is no benefit of extending this discussion as i have made enough clear point.

Regards

No you should NOT call him old man. Please put your point across, like you have been doing so, politely. Thanks!!!

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir

should i call you old man.... ?

i don't know what are you arguing about. I have represented a senario in which JF can carry 2 Missile just like JF can carry more then 2 BVR in exchange of drop tanks or WVR. it does not mean that JF will always carry more then 2 BVR does it ?. Typical load for AOA will be 2 WVR,2 BVR and drop tanks.So does this mean JF can't carry more then 2 BVR ?

i hope you understands what i am trying to explain if not there is no benefit of extending this discussion as i have made enough clear point.

Regards

Hi,

You can call me an old man---I don't have a problem----but you need to look at the issue with analytical eye and not with a mind to 'reason' or to justify.

This is a mach 5 missile----the warhead from 150-500 KG---so it is going to be a pretty heavy missile.

The JF17 is a little pea shooter---.

This missiles would weigh somewhere from 900 KG to 1100 KG +++ depending on the weight of the warhead----

The SD-10 OTOH weighs around 200 KG each-----so at launch the balance in weight distribution is not much---can easily be compensated-----.

Now if it was a JH7B aircraft---a heavy aircraft----that could adjust to the weight easier.

I have given here a link talking about the weight of the missile with a 150 KG warhead----.

Now as the general stated that it is going to be setup for one missile---now that is a standard load capability----.


Weishi Rockets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



" CM-400AKG[edit]
The CM-400AKG is an air-launched derivative of the SY-400 tactical ballistic missile developed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation.[19]

The CM-400AKG is advertised as having a 5.1 m. length, a 400 mm. diameter, a mass of 910 kg., a range of 100–240 km.,[19] and capable of carrying either a 150 kg. blast warhead or 200 kg. penetration warhead.[20] It has a high cruise altitude and a steep terminal dive, with a maximum terminal speed of Mach 4.5-5. Seeker options include "INS + GNSS + Passive Radar Seeker," potentially for anti-ship with a circular error probable (CEP) of 5 m., and "INS-GNSS+IR/TV Seeker", with a CEP of 5–10 m.[19] Pakistani air force officials described the missile as "an aircraft carrier killer."[21]

 

[dilpakistani]

nice camos of Airforce and Navy... I guess Airforce have just recently adopted camo uniforms