SC: If sati can be banned, why not polygamy ?

[Zibago]

How prevalent is Polygamy in Pakistan ?

@Icarus @waz @fatman17 @Spring Onion @Imran Khan

At most 4% and that is an extremely generous figure

 

[Maira La]

Ever heard of Draupadi in the Mahabharat? It was uncommon but not unknown.



You have no idea just how quite rare Sati was before the islamic invasion of India and that it was completely external to Hindu scripture It was more of a warrior code to prevent rape/mistreatment/enslavement of widows in a battle environment...that later gained some notion of popularity outside of the original practitioners for various reasons - that have been conveniently lumped into "religion" by the same arrogant Abrahamic people you are trying to compare with.

Are you going to say the Tamil practice of Thalaikoothal (old age euthanasia) is also a Hindu one...or a social practice who's origins and practice often have a multitude of reasons?

Also does banning a more severe injustice to women mean a less severe injustice (but an injustice all the same) is ok to let continue?

The difference lies in that one was never codified and demanded complete blind allegiance to by practitioners of a religion (which Hinduism never was and never will be in the Abrahamic sense)....whereas the other one (polygamy) is straight from the texts of the Koran itself...even codifying 4 as the maximum wives a man can have...(why not 5 or 6?...or 3?)

Now find me a verse in any Hindu scripture that says a Man's wife MUST die on the funeral pyre of her husband....in the same codified way that an Abrahamic religion does.

On one hand you don't seem to like the fact that all the different regional practices were tagged with one umbrella term "Hinduism" by the Abrahamic invaders.
On the other, you are generously using the term Hinduism to refer to "us", a united single entity.

So got a question for you. Are you happy that the followers of Abrahamic religions united all these disparate ethno-cultural groups under the banner of "Hinduism"? Yes/no?

 

[Maarkhoor]

In terms of percentage of marriages ?

Let me put it this way , how many mullahs & non mullahs ( %) have more than one wife ?

I presume the younger generation would not be following this practice .

less then 1% or even below to that, there are very strict guidelines to follow first of all he have to obtain permission or you can say NOC from the wife or wives which itself very difficult no woman allow her husband to marry again until unless solid reasons are there for example if she is unable to bore children etc etc
Validity of marrying a second wife for mere love and
without consent of first wife - islamqa.info
may above link help you to understand.

 

[Zibago]

On one hand you don't seem to like the fact that all the different regional practices were tagged with one umbrella term "Hinduism" by the Abrahamic invaders.
On the other, you are generously using the term Hinduism to refer to "us", a united single entity.

So got a question for you. Are you happy that the followers of Abrahamic religions united all these disparate ethno-cultural groups under the banner of "Hinduism"? Yes/no?

I may be wrong but hindu gods had 1000,s of wives so by hindu religion polygamy is practice of gods

less then 1% or even below to that, there are very strict guidelines to follow first of all he have to obtain permission or you can say NOC from the wife or wives which itself very difficult no woman allow her husband to marry again until unless solid reasons are there for example if she is unable to bore children etc etc
Validity of marrying a second wife for mere love and
without consent of first wife - islamqa.info
may above link help you to understand.

Most of the time second marriages are because of childlessness

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Geralt @third eye
Even polyandry is allowed in Hinduism although rare, same case it is not necessary for every Hindu woman to practice this
polyandry in Hinduism (India)

 

[Zibago]

I know one man with two wives wo 90 kilo ka sandha hota tha now he weighs less than me and i am 61 kg

@Geralt @third eye
Even polyandry is allowed in Hinduism although rare, same case it is not necessary for every Hindu woman to practice this
polyandry in Hinduism (India)

In indian state of haryana jutt hindus have a tradition of poly yandry

 

[Maarkhoor]

Polyandry in India
Polyandry in India refers to the historical practice of polyandry, whereby a woman has two or more husbands at the same time, on the Indian subcontinent or the current practice of polyandry in the country India. The popular Hindu epic Mahabharatha provides the first striking example: Draupadi, daughter of king of Panchāla, married to five brothers.[1] Polyandry was mainly prevalent in the Kinnaur Region a part of Himachal in India which is close to the Tibet or currently the Indo-China border. As mentioned in the Epic Mahabharata, ThePandavas were banished from their Kingdom for thirteen years and they spent the last year hiding in this hilly terrain of Kinnaur. A minority of the Kinaauri's still claim to be descendant of the Pandavas and thus justify the practice of Polyandry. However this is a debatable issue as Kinnauris existed much before the Pandavas as mentioned in the epic. Apart from Kinnaur, Polyandry was practised in south India among the Todas tribes of Nilgiris, Nairs of Travancoreand Ezhavas of Malabar. While polyandrous unions have disappeared from the traditions of many of the groups and tribes, it is still practiced by some Paharisespecially in Jaunsar Bawar region in Northern India.

Recent years, have seen the rise in fraternal polyandry in the agrarian societies in Malwa region of Punjab to avoid division of farming land.[2]
Polyandry in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
@Geralt @thrid eye @fakhre mirpur


@Geralt @third eye @fakhre mirpur

 

[Styx]

@Geralt @third eye
Even polyandry is allowed in Hinduism although rare, same case it is not necessary for every Hindu woman to practice this
polyandry in Hinduism (India)

that's a small tribal community in one remote village, not allowed for anyone else.

 

[third eye]

Even polyandry is allowed in Hinduism although rare, same case it is not necessary for every Hindu woman to practice this
polyandry in Hinduism (India)

Polyandry in India
Polyandry in India refers to the historical practice of polyandry, whereby a woman has two or more husbands at the same time, on the Indian subcontinent or the current practice of polyandry in the country India.

Not relevant to the topic.

You could create a separate thread if you wish.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Not relevant to the topic.

You could create a separate thread if you wish.

Just giving you an example to help you to understand that it is allowed but very rarely people practice this.

 

[Zibago]

that's a small tribal community in one remote village, not allowed for anyone else.

Thats not what they say here
poolabala.blogspot.com: Polyandry bloom in India

Or here

Wives shared between husband and brothers | South China Morning Post

 

[Nilgiri]

On one hand you don't seem to like the fact that all the different regional practices were tagged with one umbrella term "Hinduism" by the Abrahamic invaders.
On the other, you are generously using the term Hinduism to refer to "us", a united single entity.

So got a question for you. Are you happy that the followers of Abrahamic religions united all these disparate ethno-cultural groups under the banner of "Hinduism"? Yes/no?

So you have directly avoided answering what I asked of you. OK.

Moving on to your questions here:

"Us" in terms of me using the term "Hindus" and "Hinduism" is both a united and non-united entity depending on the context. Those united and non-united contexts existed well before any Abrahamic invaders tagged certain subsets as "united" in their own warped perception and framework of what a religion constitutes and where it starts and end in the realm of culture and society. It is quite fluid and undefined in Hinduism whereas quite codified within the Abrahamic ones. Therein lies a large part of the issue itself.

So got a question for you. Are you happy that the followers of Abrahamic religions united all these disparate ethno-cultural groups under the banner of "Hinduism"? Yes/no?

Like I said, united what? The Mauryans united many kingdoms and cultures, as did other empires like the Guptas....allowing the flourishing of new streams of Hindu philosophy and even completely unorthodox (but somewhat parallel) movements like Buddhism. They never had a massive impact on the very nature of Hinduism as a multi-path approach to seek the ultimate truth....nor did they intend to at all to begin with. Can you pick up and hold water from a river in your hands indefinitely even if you try really hard?...or is it better to accept the reality of what water is?

Many Abrahamic invaders attempt was to codify the Hindu religion as they saw from their own system of the straight and narrow path to salvation (by violence, by "persuasion", by perceived superior moralism...you name it)....and in the attempt failed miserably....because the systems are diametrically opposed at a foundational philosophical level. Hinduism forever will be both united and non-united and has always been so, right from the days of its Vedic age. It is more large and complex than anything....and most Hindus like it like that.

So your assertion that it was the outsider that supposedly united something in one supposed context...that by its very nature has multiple realms of unity/non unity to begin with is like a Man telling the Earth he has tamed and united it.

So your question is quite meaningless to me.

 

[Indika]

Talking about polygamy ,doesnt competition breed(?) .....err excellence.

 

[dilpakistani]

to began with we don't burn our divorced women or first Wifes and 2ndly polygamy doesn't put women to any disadvantage...

 

[vsdoc]

Banning multiple wives can only be a good thing for men in general, and Muslim men in particular.

All married men suffer from bouts of homicidal ideation.

Multiply that by 4 and you have some idea of why some Muslim men do what they do.

Multiply the 4 into 4 separate mothers-in-law and you have an exponential potentiation of that explosive (pun unimplied) situation.

I've never really understood the theology behind the promise of 72 virgins, nor the intricacies of the riders involved, but the fact that its virgins and not wives gives me a clue as to the attraction of the promise implied.

On topic, yes, one man, one wife, for all Indians, thank you very much.

Cheers, Doc