Saudi F-15 deal delayed

[agentny17]

Well, google would help you with that:
1. They refuse our help, that is why it is called a "cold" peace, Israeli hatred is rampant there.
2. They got Sinai back, with all its natural resources and land mass much larger than Israel.

I believe there is an Arab word that sounds like Israel but means the "Devil" or something like that.

Well, it was our land, we got it back and we agreed not to start any more wars with you... I personally would love for Egypt, and the whole Arab world to work with Israel, but it is very hard to do so when the Palestinians are suffering because of you.. I recall that in 2005, the arab league offered a peace initiative that stated that All Arab countries would normalize relations with Israel, once Israel withdraw from the lands it occupied in 1967, but Israel never responded. How can an Arab trust you when you guys reject such an offer ?

 

[agentny17]

yeah thats all good I think if the Israeli's offered more then cold peace and helped the Egyptians in science ,medicine, agriculture then maybe it would been different wasn't that Geezer peres talking about some kind of Iphone Gen with the Arabs of the Mid east ?

Israel won't do that, because Israel knows that a strong Egypt without a finial solution with the Palestinians will most likely mean another war(God forbid) with Egypt.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Mosamania...So did I not say US can punch an old strong ally of US as well, Saudi stance on Palestine has been extremely weak. (remember how bluntly US administration refused 100 F-16s)

Saudi Arab must not compromise military relationships and equipment with US on Palestine, 85% of your equipment is US made lets be sane minded If US imposes sanctions that would be a worst day in the history of Saudi Arab. You can give russian-saudi relationship example the large inventory is not easy to replace over a few years it will take decade and more to do so depends on how Saudi Arab executes the replacement program if US should impose a total sanctions or restrictions.

 

[Mosamania]

Mosamania...So did I not say US can punch an old strong ally of US as well, Saudi stance on Palestine has been extremely weak. (remember how bluntly US administration refused 100 F-16s)

Saudi Arab must be compromise military relationships and equipment with US on Palestine, 85% of your equipment is US made lets be sane minded If US imposes sanctions that would be a worst day in the history of Saudi Arab. You can give russian-saudi relationship example the large inventory is not easy to replace over a few years it will take decade and more to do so depends on how Saudi Arab executes the replacement program if US should impose a total sanctions or restrictions.

I am glad they refused the F-16s it meant that we got the Typhoon and with much much better deals even making it here. The US can't impose sanctions on us unless they want Oil to sell at 300-400 dollars a barrel. And why would they? We are playing by the international rules which leaves them with no openings to do so.

And kindly educate me on how our stance was extremely weak??

 

[PteX]

Well, it was our land, we got it back and we agreed not to start any more wars with you... I personally would love for Egypt, and the whole Arab world to work with Israel, but it is very hard to do so when the Palestinians are suffering because of you.. I recall that in 2005, the arab league offered a peace initiative that stated that All Arab countries would normalize relations with Israel, once Israel withdraw from the lands it occupied in 1967, but Israel never responded. How can an Arab trust you when you guys reject such an offer ?

Well, believe it or not but Palestinians live better lives than your fellow Egyptians.
You ask me how can Arabs trust us when there is an attack on the embassy of Israel just a few months after Mubarak was disposed, millions of Arabs want the peace treaty to be annulled, Prime ministers and foreign ministers making statements that the peace treaty should be changed to their benefit(As if they won in all those wars), gas lines are caught off and etc etc...?

No, we want peace but trusting Arab nations which breed generations upon generations with the mentality that Israel is the devil would be foolish to say the least.

30 years and they still hate Israel, not even Mubarak did anything to teach the Arabs of Egypt to accept Israel.
And yes, Egypt did refuse Israeli expertise many times because it would not do well to be seen as friends of Israel.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

US should sell its F-22.

Otherwise, it isn't going to collect enough money to fix its problem.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I am glad they refused the F-16s it meant that we got the Typhoon and with much much better deals even making it here. The US can't impose sanctions on us unless they want Oil to sell at 300-400 dollars a barrel. And why would they? We are playing by the international rules which leaves them with no openings to do so.

And kindly educate me on how our stance was extremely weak??

US can do everything to you people as it has done to the whole world. You got Typhoon good for RSAF, so why did you have to go for 80 more F-15s just upgrades & refurbishment of current fleet would have been sufficient and more Typhoons would be a better choice.

There are no international rules there is a universal US Rule of Thumb.

 

[Mosamania]

US can do everything to you people as it has done to the whole world. You got Typhoon good for RSAF, so why did you have to go for 80 more F-15s just upgrades & refurbishment of current fleet would have been sufficient and more Typhoons would be a better choice.

There are no international rules there is a universal US Rule of Thumb.

Maybe you didn't get the whole thing behind this thread... The 84 brand new F-15s was our card to stop the US from vetoing a not very strong card but it is a card none the less. Also it is a massage to give to them that we have other options now. I said before in here but everybody here tend to have a selective memory.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Maybe you didn't get the whole thing behind this thread... The 84 brand new F-15s was our card to stop the US from vetoing a not very strong card but it is a card none the less. Also it is a massage to give to them that we have other options now. I said before in here but everybody here tend to have a selective memory.

Maybe you did not catch the US psyche, US loses nothing, they will effectively VETO and Saudi Arab will continue to be silent and buy US made weapons, equipment and armament. You people should have learned when F-16s were refused but Nay you did not and still went for more now remember even if the failed card is used, See and hear this If US refuses to upgrade the current fleet of F-15s you are at loss again, It is hard to switch to Russian equipment I believe RSAF is not interested in expanding Types of Fleet Tornadoes, Typhoons and F-15s are a perfectly strong fleet and types there is no need to Add more to it, again RSA had/has a weak stance on Palestine, for instance and example what steps did RSA took when Palestine had been and has been bombed a number of times by Israel over the past 30+ Years, Have you take any strong military and diplomatic stance with any Strikes and other warning if it does not stop its aggression against Palestine and Lebanon? So Sir be-seated and watch the show you voice will not be heard.

 

[agentny17]

Well, believe it or not but Palestinians live better lives than your fellow Egyptians.
You ask me how can Arabs trust us when there is an attack on the embassy of Israel just a few months after Mubarak was disposed, millions of Arabs want the peace treaty to be annulled, Prime ministers and foreign ministers making statements that the peace treaty should be changed to their benefit(As if they won in all those wars), gas lines are caught off and etc etc...?

No, we want peace but trusting Arab nations which breed generations upon generations with the mentality that Israel is the devil would be foolish to say the least.

30 years and they still hate Israel, not even Mubarak did anything to teach the Arabs of Egypt to accept Israel.
And yes, Egypt did refuse Israeli expertise many times because it would not do well to be seen as friends of Israel.

Maybe they do, but Palestinians still want their own country back, Christians and Muslims, they reject you because of what yoy been doing to them since 1948.

Me and millions of Egyptians were against what happened at the Israeli embassy in Cairo, even the Muslim brotherhood and the Salafis were against it. It was very disrespectful and unacceptable, but didn't you guys kill 5 soldiers at our borders, it was a recation even when i was against it.

Why can't you trust an Arab nation and we been calling for peace for a long time now, Egypt is respecting the peace treaty, Jordon too, even when it is a cold peace, but we respect it, but it is very hard to normalive our relations when you guys are killing people like that. I personally would love to normalize relations with Israel, and i would love to visit Israel and Palestain, I was lucky enough to have couple of Jewish friend here in NY, and i think we have more to agree on that to disagree about, and no they and you guys are not the devil, but seriously put yourself in our postion, Arabs been really suffering because of you, and the crazy thing is, Arabs and Jews never had any problems in the past, but all of a sudden we are eachother enemies, and with all respect i blame you guys for it.

We hate how your policies, we hate when you guys kill the palestinians, and we hate when you guys refuse to give them their rights, we don't hate you persoanlly or because of yoru religion. It is the same thing about the US, Arabs don't hate the US, they hate that the US is so biased toward Israel. I been saying this for years, if the US wasn't this biased toward Isreal, Arabs were going to be happy about the US invasion of Iraq, because Sadam was really hated in the Arab world, but Smart US policies made a criminal a freaking hero. All of that, and the Arabs love the US, but they hate their biased policies toward Israel, and i think it is the same thing with Israel, if you guys give Palestinians their rights, most Arabs would accept you, and normalize relations with you, and i would be the first to visit Israel and Palestain.

Again, it is very hard for the avegare Egyptians to accept any normal relations with Israel when you guys make them suffer like that.

 

[LeGenD]

"Seek knowledge even in China"....we all know who said these words.

You need to be careful when you quote a hadith of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The versus of many hadith have been changed/manipulated by some bastards with passage of time.

This is the authenticated hadith: "Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim."

And Saudi Arabia is still a western puppet. When things will change, the entire world will notice it.