Saudi Arabia: ‘We support our ally Cyprus against Turkey’s activities in Mediterranean’

[Max]

I don't care about India. I care about KSA and the Arab world and our interests. India is an economic goldmine for KSA and the GCC so why should I have anything against them? Arabs and Indians are not at conflict. The first mosques outside of the Arab world was built by Arabs in Western and Southern India due to ancient trade relations (all of South Asia, including modern-day Pakistan). Many Arab dynasties ruled areas of South Asia. Arab civilization has influenced South Asia a lot. To this day a whole ethnic group in Sri Lanka identify as Arabs (Sri Lankan Moors). Most languages spoken by South Asian Muslims have been heavily influenced by Arabic. The script as well. Architecture and cuisine. Influences the other way around too. Most Indians in the GCC are Muslim too, many from Kerala.

i already said not interested in your 5000 billion years of history or your survey about first mosque in Asia.

like you got nothing to do with India's mess, we got nothing against Iran, Qatar and Turkey.

However you clearly did not understand what I meant. If Arab countries were just solely looking at business, their own interests, Pakistan would long ago have been completely abandoned in favor of India. Since the same India is home to more Muslims than Pakistanis in the world so even the religious card could easily be played.

and the rulers must be idiots who kept ties with Pakistan? lol They kept Pakistan on their side thinking it was insurance for security, but things are changing fast, look at many relations, they have changed in last 5 years. look at US- Turkey and Russia ties for example.

Not blabbering. Facts. You seem rather hostile. I already told you that there is no mess and KSA, let alone the entire Arab world, does not need Pakistan or anyone for point scoring against small countries like Turkey and Iran (in comparison to the Arab world). Small Iraq was enough to keep all of Iran at bay. Makes zero sense.

Then stop copy paste about Pakistani nukes and missile program which got nothing to do with you.

 

[Max]

My main point is that no people other than Arabs have helped you as much throughout your history and the thanks for that is anti-Arab sentiments 24/7 by some ignorant and ungrateful lot. So obviously those lot need to smell the coffee and I will help them with that. I know that this is not representative of Pakistanis as most Pakistanis like Arabs. Vice versa too. Hence why my posts are aimed at the anti-Arab lot.

Arabs? half of the Arabs country have much more relations with India then they have with Pakistan, talk about GCC, as i said you have done much more help for India, you deserve to take them over, go take over their space and nuclear program.

There was never any insurance of security (lol). What security? The same rulers have much more powerful allies than Pakistan. With all due respect. Unless you think you are more powerful than the US for instance.

the same security insurance which Which irk your ilk to boost about Pakistani nukes and weapons.

 

[Max]

LOL, I did not mention your ballistic program with a single word. We have our own. As for your nukes, I wrote what is public knowledge, mainly that we founded your nuclear program. As I said, you can pretend that this is not the reality as well.

Qaddafi not the GCC helped us in financial matters, No where its mentioned in history that Saudi helped during nuclear program. Qaddafi also arranged uranium for Pakistan program. You Saudi were against him.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Have we (Arabs) been bailing India out 100's of times and throwing 10's of billions of USD (if not at least 100 USD billion since 1947) on a black pit (Pakistan's economy)? Did we help India when the world sanctioned them due to nuclear tests as we did with Pakistan?

We have done jackshit for India other than economic cooperation. There is zero strategic alliance due to our rulers alliance with Pakistan's military establishment (the same military that rules Pakistan de facto).

You anti-Arabs would be crying 1 billion times more if Arabs had actually as close ties with India as we have with Pakistan.

Only in your fantasy. How many times do you need to be told that KSA have a ballistic missile program courtesy of China and has been working on this for 30+ years? Arabs were pursuing nuclear bombs long before Pakistan was as well. Same with ballistic missile programs. You might not know this but now you know.

Qaddafi not the GCC helped us in financial matters, No where its mentioned in history that Saudi helped during nuclear program. Qaddafi also arranged uranium for Pakistan program. You Saudi were against him.

yes and the earth is flat.

Maybe you should read up on Arab-Arab relations. Gaddafi was an ally of KSA for decades until his last 10-15 years of rule where he started to gang up against KSA with Qatar's former emir. KSA did not even participate in the Libyan civil war. The sole Arab country that did that actively was Qatar.

 

[Max]

yes and the earth is flat.

Ask any person with internal knowledge or something who have read few books on nuclear program of Pakistan. Qaddafi arranged Uranium for Pakistan in late 70's from Niger and Chad, he sent plane full of money.

Have we (Arabs) been bailing India out 100's of times and throwing 10's of billions of USD (if not at least 100 USD billion since 1947) on a black pit (Pakistan's economy)? Did we help India when the world sanctioned them due to nuclear tests as we did with Pakistan?

You have not bailed us 100 times. much exaggeration.. only once during Nuclear sanction and now this loan, which we will return you with big smile

We have done jackshit for India other than economic cooperation. There is zero strategic alliance due to our rulers alliance with Pakistan's military establishment (the same military that rules Pakistan de facto).

Maybe bcoz Indian havent shown any willingless to be cannon fodder for inter -Arab wars.

Only in your fantasy. How many times do you need to be told that KSA have a ballistic missile program courtesy of China and has been working on this for 30+ years? Arabs were pursuing nuclear bombs long before Pakistan was as well. Same with ballistic missile programs. You might not know this but now you know.

Yeah but world havent seen anything from your side, but i belive you have with China... The missile

 

[azzo]

Arabs at it again why am I not surprised.

Lets be honest the Arabs dont really care about the Muslims that were killed by Orthodog Christians and the Muslims killed by Hindus.

Because you know why because they are not Arabs.

Tell any Arabs about history and why Turks have a bad history with Greeks a lot of them dont give a shit. When it comes to striving for the Ummah the Arabs are doing nothing today.

Pakistan and Turkey does more for the Islamic World than the Arabs.

Yeah Arabs don't care, but Turkey who has full relations and military cooperation with Israel does. Turkey who for 50 years want to join the EU does.
Erdogan who declared that Israel and the Jews have the right to Palestine does. Erdogan who recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in 2016 does.

"it was announced by the Israeli Airports Authority that in 2013 and 2014 Turkish Airlines flew more passengers to and from Israel than any other foreign airline."

Turkey-Israel naval collaboration, 2009: US Capt. John Moore, Turkish Rear Adm. Ismail Taylan, Israeli Rear Adm. Rom Rutberg

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Ask any person with internal knowledge or something who have read few books on nuclear program of Pakistan. Qaddafi arranged Uranium for Pakistan in late 70's from Niger and Chad, he sent plane full of money.



You have not bailed us 100 times. much exaggeration.. only once during Nuclear sanction and now this loan, which we will return you with big smile



Maybe bcoz Indian havent shown any willingless to be cannon fodder for inter -Arab wars.

Any person with knowledge would also know that KSA bankrolled your nuclear program long after Libya were out of the picture and that it was the same KSA that facilitated the transfer of that uranium from Libya to Pakistan. The same KSA that was the sole country, alongside UAE and China, that helped keep a sanctioned Pakistan (much worse than the current laughable Iran sanctions) afloat.

The same KSA that used its big influence in the US/West to help convince them to look the other way when you were developing your nuclear program. That and Pakistan being in the pro-West camp unlike the pro-USSR, India.

Any Pakistani involved with that nuclear program would attest to that. Saudi Arabian figures, related to the deep state, already spoke about this.

No, we have not bailed you out numerous times in the last many decades. Just 2. Not sure how you can write such nonsense without flooding your keyboard from tears of laughter.

When has Pakistan ever been cannon fodder for Arabs? As for not being ready, I think that you are underestimating the influence of money and power and the 200+ million Indian Muslims who I am sure would fight alongside Arabs against Zionists and other unwanted elements in the region if they could. At least a few millions of them.

Yeah Arabs don't care, but Turkey who has full relations and military cooperation with Israel does. Turkey who for 50 years want to join the EU does.
Erdogan who declared that Israel and the Jews have the right to Palestine does. Erdogan who recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in 2016 does.

"it was announced by the Israeli Airports Authority that in 2013 and 2014 Turkish Airlines flew more passengers to and from Israel than any other foreign airline."

Turkey-Israel naval collaboration, 2009: US Capt. John Moore, Turkish Rear Adm. Ismail Taylan, Israeli Rear Adm. Rom Rutberg

Checkmate.

We just need to post some public gay parades from Turkey so the blind Pakistani pro-Erdogan lot will hallucinate even more, lol. After all he is the new imaginary "Islamic Bastion" in their eyes. Even Iran is much better on this front, at least they are not as hypocritical.

Poor Anatolians, crying because KSA said what every other state on the planet says, outside of Turkey itself, in regards to Cyprus (supports its unity), but the same Turkey can play a divisive role in the Arab world and even build military bases in freaking Qatar (where the largest US base in the region is already located), as if that base is not aimed at KSA. That tiny base will be flattened within minutes in case of war with Qatar, have no mistake about it. As I wrote, we should build a military base in Cyprus or Greece. Should have been done a long time ago. Or expand the presence in Eastern/Northern Syria. Or try to set something up in small Balkans. Most of the states there are very poor. Say Albania.

KSA did not chose the hostility, this is the work of Erdogan who to this day is hosting anti-establishment Arab figures in Turkey. That amounts to KSA and other Arab countries hosting PKK members and Gulen supporters while giving them a platform.

 

[Nein]

Yeah Arabs don't care, but Turkey who has full relations and military cooperation with Israel does. Turkey who for 50 years want to join the EU does.
Erdogan who declared that Israel and the Jews have the right to Palestine does. Erdogan who recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in 2016 does.

"it was announced by the Israeli Airports Authority that in 2013 and 2014 Turkish Airlines flew more passengers to and from Israel than any other foreign airline."

Turkey-Israel naval collaboration, 2009: US Capt. John Moore, Turkish Rear Adm. Ismail Taylan, Israeli Rear Adm. Rom Rutberg

You know as much as I dislike Jews and Israel what can you do politics makes for some strange bedfellows. Israel had potential in trade along with military cooperation.

By the way Turkey and Israel are not really best buddies anymore as both have been at odds with each for a decade or even more. Stop living in the past. Israel is against us in Cyprus now Saudi Arabia has joined in supporting Cyprus basically you are alongside the israelis.

Saudis are basically becoming best buddiss with Israel they are closely warming up to each other.

Turkey has never recognised Jerusalem as the capital that agreement you posted has been terminated in many ways.

Any person with knowledge would also know that KSA bankrolled your nuclear program long after Libya were out of the picture and that it was the same KSA that facilitated the transfer of that uranium from Libya to Pakistan. The same KSA that was the sole country, alongside UAE and China, that helped keep a sanctioned Pakistan (much worse than the current laughable Iran sanctions) afloat.

The same KSA that used its big influence in the US/West to help convince them to look the other way when you were developing your nuclear program. That and Pakistan being in the pro-West camp unlike the pro-USSR, India.

Any Pakistani involved with that nuclear program would attest to that. Saudi Arabian figures, related to the deep state, already spoke about this.

No, we have not bailed you out numerous times in the last many decades. Just 2. Not sure how you can write such nonsense without flooding your keyboard from tears of laughter.

When has Pakistan ever been cannon fodder for Arabs? As for not being ready, I think that you are underestimating the influence of money and power and the 200+ million Indian Muslims who I am sure would fight alongside Arabs against Zionists and other unwanted elements in the region if they could. At least a few millions of them.



Checkmate.

We just need to post some public gay parades from Turkey so the blind Pakistani pro-Erdogan lot will hallucinate even more, lol. After all he is the new imaginary "Islamic Bastion" in their eyes. Even Iran is much better on this front, at least they are not as hypocritical.

Poor Anatolians, crying because KSA said what every other state on the planet says, outside of Turkey itself, in regards to Cyprus (supports its unity), but the same Turkey can play a divisive role in the Arab world and even build military bases in freaking Qatar (where the largest US base in the region is already located), as if that base is not aimed at KSA. That tiny base will be flattened within minutes in case of war with Qatar, have no mistake about it. As I wrote, we should build a military base in Cyprus or Greece. Should have been done a long time ago. Or expand the presence in Eastern/Northern Syria. Or try to set something up in small Balkans. Most of the states there are very poor. Say Albania.

KSA did not chose the hostility, this is the work of Erdogan who to this day is hosting anti-establishment Arab figures in Turkey. That amounts to KSA and other Arab countries hosting PKK members and Gulen supporters while giving them a platform.

Poor Anatolians while at the same time those poor anatolians built a Military base in your backyard.

Please pass the S.A.L.T

 

[Max]

Any person with knowledge would also know that KSA bankrolled your nuclear program long after Libya were out of the picture and that it was the same KSA that facilitated the transfer of that uranium from Libya to Pakistan. The same KSA that was the sole country, alongside UAE and China, that helped keep a sanctioned Pakistan (much worse than the current laughable Iran sanctions). Any Pakistani involved with that nuclear program would attest to that. Saudi Arabian figures, related to the deep state, already spoke about this.

Again exaggeration, almost all Islamic country helped us with transportation of material which include Turkey, UAE and east Asian countries. Nothing special about KSA. Libya was always there and it was the one who brought the uranium before we could develop our own mines. He was always there for us and receive centrifuges and bomb design which it later handed over to IAEA in 2000s. I recognized that Saudi helped during sanctions after nuclear tests, but don't exaggerate them like Bollywood film.

The same KSA that used its big influence in the US/West to help convince them to look the other way when you were developing your nuclear program. That and Pakistan being in the pro-West camp unlike the pro-USSR, India.

Again exaggeration, Saudi may have played role as we always supported Saudi position without thinking, but it was Pakistanis who were fighting Soviets, it was Pakistanis who made themselves relevent to Yanks with their breavery and intelligence not thousands miles away Saudis. Now Saudi want to take credit. Plz use your big infulence for free Palestine, we Pakistanis will remain thankful to you for rest of our lives.

No, we have not bailed you out numerous times in the last many decades. Just 2. Not sure how you can write such nonsense without flooding your keyboard from tears of laughter.

You can quote third time when you bailed us out, plz do it. I will accept the fact and we will move one. You helped us, it's good, we also helped you in giving sense of security for so long

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

You know as much as I dislike Jews and Israel what can you do politics makes for some strange bedfellows. Israel had potential in trade along with military cooperation.

By the way Turkey and Israel are not really best buddies anymore as both have been at odds with each for a decade or even more. Stop living in the past. Israel is against us in Cyprus now Saudi Arabia has joined in supporting Cyprus basically you are alongside the israelis.

Saudis are basically becoming best buddiss with Israel they are closely warming up to each other.

Turkey has never recognised Jerusalem as the capital that agreement you posted has been terminated in many ways.



Poor Anatolians while at the same time those poor anatolians built a Military base in your backyard.

Please pass the S.A.L.T

If KSA and Israel were best buddies, we would be controlling the region jointly. Just because both entities look at the Iranian Mullah's and their behavior as a regional problem, much like the vast majority of regional countries and Muslim ones, it does not mean that there is any alliance resembling the 50+ years of close Turkish-Israeli relations.

That tiny base will be flattened in case of any conflict within minutes. Turkey is nowhere close to powerful enough to project influnce/power that far away from its mainland. Qatar is basically a sitting duck for KSA's ballistic missiles, air force, navy and land forces. Even our SANG would be able to invade all of Qatar.

Besides it does not really matter as the US already have established the largest US base in the region in the same tiny Qatar. The same Qatar that even has a defense treaty with India.

As for backyards, KSA has military bases in your backyard (Northern and Eastern Syria) as well. Could have more as well in the immediate region. It is a tit for tat. Turkey won't ever be dominating the Arab world, simply too small on every imaginable front compared to us Arabs. Just look at your backyard (Syria) and nothing more needs to be told.

BTW this hostility is more the doing of Erdogan and his populist lot as I already explained in detail. There won't be any wars either as we have other fish to fry that are more important for us.

 

[Max]

When has Pakistan ever been cannon fodder for Arabs? As for not being ready, I think that you are underestimating the influence of money and power and the 200+ million Indian Muslims who I am sure would fight alongside Arabs against Zionists and other unwanted elements in the region if they could. At least a few millions of them.

Good luck with them. You should also take over Hindus since you literally run their country.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Again exaggeration, almost all Islamic country helped us smuggling material which include Turkey, UAE and east Asian countries. Nothing special about KSA. Libya was always there and it did receive centrifuges and bomb design which it later handed over to IAEA in 2000s. I recognized that Saudi helped during sanctions after nuclear tests, but don't exaggerate them like Bollywood film.



Again exaggeration, Saudi may have played role as we always supported Saudi position without thinking, but it was Pakistanis who were fighting Soviets, it was Pakistanis who made themselves relevent to Yanks with their breavery and intelligence not thousands miles away Saudis. Now Saudi want to take credit. Plz use your big infulence for free Palestine, we Pakistanis will remain thankful to you for rest of our lives.


You can quote third time when you bailed us out, plz do it. I will accept the fact and we will move one. You helped us, it's good, we also helped you in giving sense of security for so long

Not worth my time to reply to such nonsense posts.

BTW, you must be living in another galaxy if you want to compare the military history of Arabs (second to none in the Muslim world) with the Pakistani one.

As for defeating "Soviets", that was mainly the work of Afghans (let us be fair here) and you conveniently forgot that Arabs were the largest volunteer force outside of Afghanistan. 1000's of Arabs died fighting the Soviets. Mainly due to a few Islamic fatwas from scholars in KSA. Pakistan played a pivotal role but that would be pathetic if you did not seeing that you have a long border with Afghanistan and are located next door.

That is a fallacy. KSA/Arab countries have much more powerful allies than Pakistan so I don't buy the security nonsense. It is basically a relationship between the two deep states. The monarchies and the Pakistan military establishment. You think that KSA has any love lost for the useless Pakistani politicians that have been wasting your country's potential since Pakistan was funded despite your big potential and large population?

 

[Nein]

If KSA and Israel were best buddies, we would be controlling the region jointly. Just because both entities look at the Iranian Mullah's and their behavior as a regional problem, much like the vast majority of regional countries and Muslim ones, it does not mean that there is any alliance resembling the 50+ years of close Turkish-Israeli relations.

That tiny base will be flattened in case of any conflict within minutes. Turkey is nowhere close to powerful enough to project influnce/power that far away from its mainland. Qatar is basically a sitting duck for KSA's ballistic missiles, air force, navy and land forces. Even our SANG would be able to invade all of Qatar.

Besides it does not really matter as the US already have established the largest US base in the region in the same tiny Qatar. The same Qatar that even has a defense treaty with India.

As for backyards, KSA has military bases in your backyard (Northern and Eastern Syria) as well. Could have more as well in the immediate region. It is a tit for tat. Turkey won't ever be dominating the Arab world, simply too small on every imaginable front compared to us Arabs. Just look at your backyard (Syria) and nothing more needs to be told.

BTW this hostility is more the doing of Erdogan and his populist lot as I already explained in detail. There won't be any wars either as we have other fish to fry that are more important for us.

Go deal with Yemen first rather than Qatar. Turkey also has a naval base in Albania. They also have a base in Azerbaijan and also one in Somalia.

There is also plans to build a naval base in Sudan. So much for poor Anatolians am I right.

Your media once shared a video of Turkish commandos landing on a cliffs edge which defied reality and claimed it was Saudi special forces doing it hahahahahahaha

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Good luck with them. You should also take over Hindus since you literally run their country.

So you admit that Arabs have a tremendous TRADE SURPLUS with India and in other words take advantage of it economically? As I wrote earlier, you should be thanking us Arabs.

Not only Arabs, but Chinese as well, since China is the largest trade partner of India.

You can take a look at the official data if you don't believe the above. It is all out there.

 

[Max]

Not worth my time to reply to such nonsense posts.

You don't like truth. You like to exaggerate things. Plz read books not articles.

BTW, you must be living in another galaxy if you want to compare the military history of Arabs (second to none in the Muslim world) with the Pakistani one.

Did I compare? I never even thought about it in my life. Such a useless thing to even think about.. Stop making things in your mind..

As for debating "Soviets", that was mainly the work of Afghans (let us be fair here) and you conveniently forgot that Arabs were the largest volunteer force outside of Afghanistan. 1000's of Arabs died fighting the Soviets. Mainly due to a few Islamic fatwas from scholars in KSA. Pakistan played a pivotal role but that would be pathetic if you did not seeing that you have a long border with Afghanistan and are located next door.

Pakistanis trained them and fought with them like brothers, Pakistan created this front to make itself relevent to yanks only then Arabs come much later.. you can't take credit from Pakistan even if you break your keyboard today, anyways your post contain nothing about Saudi pushing Yanks to submission on Pakistani nuke program.

That is a fallacy. KSA/Arab countries have much more powerful allies than Pakistan so I don't buy the security nonsense. It is basically a relationship between the two deep states. The monarchies and the Pakistan military establishment. You think that KSA has any love lost for the useless Pakistani politicians that have been wasting your countries potential since Pakistan was funded despite your big population and large population?

Don't lie to yourself, I have seen many Saudi bragging about their friendship with Pakistan and how they got Pakistan in their pocket (one of your prince), it got much to do with hostile Irani propaganda who turn every Pakistani Saudi meeting into some new Zionist plan against mighty supa.powa Iran.