Saudi Arabia/GCC countries still reliable allies? Pakistani government's terrible diplomacy at work.

[Sankpal]

In this video you posted they are saying we did off the record meetings okay. WHY are there no on the record meetings?




Come and tell me on this when Pakistan is on the list before that stay quite.

Are people saying that pakistan is added in grey list? There is difference between added and to be added.

It has discussed during meeting and after voting informed to Pakistan that from June, pakistan will be added

Well this is your choice if you think everyone is saying lie including your ministers

 

[AZ1]

Are people saying that pakistan is added in grey list? There is difference between added and to be added.

It has discussed during meeting and after voting informed to Pakistan.

Well this is your choice if you think everyone is saying lie including your ministers

No It was never discussed in the meeting. They had off record meeting. Don't confuse things here. Neither there is any sort of announcement yet. So we all are waiting till june. You never know what going to happen next. Khuwaja asif said Pakistan name is not in the list and it wasn't. India media gone crazy that day but turn out to be name wasn't there so they came up with another propaganda. Yet there is no announcement just talk shows etc on media. Will see in june then.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nothing Happened Pakista/China moving CPEC 100% Faster in 2018

And we are getting 4 Big Type053 Frigates to protect our cargo

No body stops our cargo

 

[BHarwana]

Are people saying that pakistan is added in grey list? There is difference between added and to be added.

It has discussed during meeting and after voting informed to Pakistan that from June, pakistan will be added

Well this is your choice if you think everyone is saying lie including your ministers

To be added is some thing I am hearing even before this meeting was held so was Pakistan added? No Pakistan was not added but to be added was postponed and will keep on being postponed for ever lol.

 

[Sankpal]

No It was never discussed in the meeting. They had off record meeting. Don't confuse things here. Neither there is any sort of announcement yet. So we all are waiting till june. You never know what going to happen next. Khuwaja asif said Pakistan name is not in the list and it wasn't. India media gone crazy that day but turn out to be name wasn't there so they came up with another propaganda. Yet there is no announcement just talk shows etc on media. Will see in june then.

Again I will say, pakistan name is not in grey list but will be added from June and this is decided after voting. Three months time given to Pakistan.

To be added is some thing I am hearing even before this meeting was held so was Pakistan added? No Pakistan was not added but to be added was postponed and will keep on being postponed for ever lol.

Thanks bro, I don't have time to discuss same thing again and again.

If you don't believe than please continue with your believe... GM

 

[BHarwana]

Thanks bro, I don't have time to discuss same thing again and again.

If you don't believe than please continue with your believe... GM

I never asked you to discuss any thing with me, you jumped in your self and why you did that if you had no time? Do you have some issues?

 

[Sankpal]

I never asked you to discuss any thing with me, you jumped in your self and why you did that if you had no time? Do you have some issues?

Cool down, bro.....
Have a nice day...GM

 

[BHarwana]

Cool down, bro.....
Have a nice day...GM

I am cool but you were making no sense bro. You came to discus your self and then you have no time that was a bit strange?

 

[Sankpal]

I am cool but you were making no sense bro. You came to discus your self and then you have no time that was a bit strange?

I just wanted to post my view as this is open defence form.

I have family man and being father of 5 years old son. I have to wake up early and get ready and also help him to get ready then needs to drop him at school.
Good day...

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am cool but you were making no sense bro. You came to discus your self and then you have no time that was a bit strange?

@Sankpal is trying to to troll and flame baiting ignore him @BHarwana sir

 

[BHarwana]

I just wanted to post my view as this is open defence form.

I have family man and being father of 5 years old son. I have to wake up early and get ready and also help him to get ready then needs to drop him at school.
Good day...

As it suites you. good night.

 

[Kaniska]

USA convinced Saudi Arabia to remove the vote.

Either you are not trying to understand or avoiding to answer..If US can persuade Saudi Arab, do not you think China could have pursuaded any other country with his spehere of influence to vote for Pakistan? If China can stand for Pakistan in NSG and Hafeez Sayeed case in UN, why not they use their influence to convince other nation?

As i said earlier, these kind of threads is running full of emotons without real substantial discussion.
1- 1st of all, as we stand today, there is no ban on Pakistan...Period...Wait for June, the meeting will be used as another pressure tactics to discuss with Pakistan..And i am not sure, nothing is going to happen in June too.

2- Not sure, if Pakistan member try to believe it or they pretend to not to think about it, but China definitely took an excuse of Saudi Arab to back out which is not expected...Let us be honest to admit that China has capability to influence some other nation to vote for Pakistan in place of SA.
3- Some posters in PDF started abusing Gulf for ditching them and start prasing for Turkey...But trust me, Turkey is not going to allow hundreds of thousands of people of South Asia to get employed and remit billions of dollars to home country....It is not happening now nor it is going to happen in future...Turkey is simply getting the benefit of doubt due to the foreign policy failure of Pakistan...Turkey would like to be new supreme leader of Muslim world...At some point in future, when Pakistan is stable, Pakistan will be in odd with Turkey than Gulf due to its common aspiration of both Pakistan and Turkey to lead the Muslim world.
So they just want to show Pakistan, BD and some other nation that how much they care about them...But on ground, there is no significant benifit can be derived with your friendship with Turkey.
4- Most important thing is about why there is so much fuss about these FATF...Pakistan was there before and what will happen if it happens now? The problem of Pakistan is not about US or others..Rather it is providng conflicting narrative to the world...See how Iran is supporting Hamas...If you guys are intrested to stand up for HS and support him for Kashmir cause, then stand behind him properly...Do not play your silly game that you commit to the world you will take action against him and later on you release with silly execuse. So just be strong on whatever you believe, that you are right...Do not speak any double voice..

 

[BHarwana]

Either you are not trying to understand or avoiding to answer..If US can persuade Saudi Arab, do not you think China could have pursuaded any other country with his spehere of influence to vote for Pakistan? If China can stand for Pakistan in NSG and Hafeez Sayeed case in UN, why not they use their influence to convince other nation?

As i said earlier, these kind of threads is running full of emotons without real substantial discussion.
1- 1st of all, as we stand today, there is no ban on Pakistan...Period...Wait for June, the meeting will be used as another pressure tactics to discuss with Pakistan..And i am not sure, nothing is going to happen in June too.

2- Not sure, if Pakistan member try to believe it or they pretend to not to think about it, but China definitely took an excuse of Saudi Arab to back out which is not expected...Let us be honest to admit that China has capability to influence some other nation to vote for Pakistan in place of SA.
3- Some posters in PDF started abusing Gulf for ditching them and start prasing for Turkey...But trust me, Turkey is not going to allow hundreds of thousands of people of South Asia to get employed and remit billions of dollars to home country....It is not happening now nor it is going to happen in future...Turkey is simply getting the benefit of doubt due to the foreign policy failure of Pakistan...Turkey would like to be new supreme leader of Muslim world...At some point in future, when Pakistan is stable, Pakistan will be in odd with Turkey than Gulf due to its common aspiration of both Pakistan and Turkey to lead the Muslim world.
So they just want to show Pakistan, BD and some other nation that how much they care about them...But on ground, there is no significant benifit can be derived with your friendship with Turkey.
4- Most important thing is about why there is so much fuss about these FATF...Pakistan was there before and what will happen if it happens now? The problem of Pakistan is not about US or others..Rather it is providng conflicting narrative to the world...See how Iran is supporting Hamas...If you guys are intrested to stand up for HS and support him for Kashmir cause, then stand behind him properly...Do not play your silly game that you commit to the world you will take action against him and later on you release with silly execuse. So just be strong on whatever you believe, that you are right...Do not speak any double voice..

Every one backed out from Pakistani support so why is Pakistani name not on the list till now?

Has USA and India has failed miserably even with every one backing out?

 

[Kaniska]

Every one backed out from Pakistani support so why is Pakistani name not on the list till now?

Has USA and India has failed miserably even with every one backing out?

Stick to the point if you would like to have a rational discussion..

India is not a player in this game rather a bystander who feels happy as its rival is feeling upset..Now it is upto you if you would like to give credit to India.
US is definitely achieved its objective. As i stated earlier, US may not even intend to put Pakistan on grey list rather trying to put pressure on you. Now wheather US suceeded or not, depends on the response of Pakistan.
If you succumb to pressure and ban terrorist groups who are your major ally, then US wins..otherwise, Pakistan will score diplomatic victory...

 

[BHarwana]

Stick to the point if you would like to have a rational discussion..

India is not a player in this game rather a bystander who feels happy as its rival is feeling upset..Now it is upto you if you would like to give credit to India.
US is definitely achieved its objective. As i stated earlier, US may not even intend to put Pakistan on grey list rather trying to put pressure on you. Now wheather US suceeded or not, depends on the response of Pakistan.
If you succumb to pressure and ban terrorist groups who are your major ally, then US wins..otherwise, Pakistan will score diplomatic victory...

Okay first I am sticking to the topic rather than to your point.

Now USA is trying to achieve what? This is about banning terror funding and not groups. The terror funding was banned even before this meeting so as an out come of this meeting Pakistan has not taken any more action on it so how is this meeting being effective?
India is not a bystander but this statement was widely used in Indian domestic politics to show it as a major achievement of Modi Govt and Modi Govt has failed to achieve any objective as there is no name of Pakistan on the list lol.

This was a big failure for India as with so much diplomacy Pakistan's name is not on the list.