Saudi Arabia changes Ottoman ‘Empire’ to ‘occupation’ in school textbooks

[Philip the Arab]

Nice example of a inferiority complex . lol

How so?

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

There never was any "occupation" as Ottoman (no such thing to begin with as most "Ottomans" were Arabs and "Ottoman language" was another Arabic dialect, culture was mostly Arabic, alphabet, architecture, cuisine (modern-day Turkish cuisine owns most of its dishes to gaining access to Arab lands post-1517, whole bureaucracy was stolen/copied from previous much more bigger and influential Arab Caliphates (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid) as were the titles and most of the territory) as the "Ottoman" presence (in Arabia) was limited to a few military garrisons where mostly local "Ottoman" soldiers were present and that too only in Hijaz and for less than 50 years in the Eastern Province. The ruler was the Sharif of Makkah and Madinah (Hijaz as a whole) as under previous caliphates. Rest of KSA was made up various kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms etc.

To make it short, "Ottoman" was as much an Arab entity (if not more) as it was "Turkish" (let us not forget that most Anatolians are actually just Turkified and Arabized people - the Ottoman ruling family were originally nomadic Turks living in Syria and since they took power, they constantly intermarried with foreigners so today they are less than 2% Turkic if that can do it - a Google search should confirm this).

In any case, if some kind of imaginary "Arab betrayal" is taught in schools in Turkey, every single of the 20+ Arab countries should be teaching about the "Ottoman" betrayal in 1517, where they stole the Caliphate after 1000 years of Arab rule (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid) and during 90% + of all the Islamic conquests and during the Islamic Golden Age.

It is without question that 400 years of "Ottoman" presence in PARTS of the Arab world (far from the majority) was overall a dark age for Arabs and 100 years later we are still under this negative influence. In fact it began earlier than that. When the savage Mongols destroyed Islamic civilization as we knew it, 250 years prior. The Muslim world has not since recovered.

EDIT: Hijaz as well as all of Makkah and Madinah are 5000+ year old Hijazi cities inhabited by native Hijazi, so obviously this is 100% Arabian/Arab/Semitic lands and people and KSA is an Arabian/Arab/Semitic country and the House of Saud is an local Arabian dynasty that will have 1 billion times more legitimacy over Hijaz than any non-Arab dynasty.

Who rebuilt the Ka'aba? Ismael an Arabized Arab therefor it is an Arab place.

Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was a Semite and all Semites originate from Arabia. He and his blessed prodigy moved back to Hijaz almost 5000 years ago and that is where monotheism was first practiced in the world.

And Allah (swt) himself thourgh Prophet Muhamad (saws) gave the honor of being keepers of the Kaaba to 1 Hijazi Arab family. Banu Shaiba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Shaiba

So we Arabs have ALWAYS been the custodians of Makkah and Madinah and will continue to be so until the end of times.

BTW Middle East Monitor is an anti-KSA propaganda " news channel" and although I doubt the authenticity of this news, I personally hope that it is correct, as decades of pan-Islamist propaganda has refused to talk of the numerous negative consequences of the "Ottoman" presence in the Arab world. Printing being banned, certain regions being forcefully neglected in order to keep them ignorant etc. Indeed, this was the dark age of the Arabs, as many Arab intellectuals have spoken about for ages from Morocco to Oman. Once Arabic was the language of science and the foremost universities in the entire world were located in the Arab world. What happened during the "Ottoman" presence for 400 years in comparison, everyone can answer for themselves if they know just 1 bit of history. So there are zero reasons for Arabs to praise the "Ottomans" from a historical viewpoint. The whole foundation and ideology of the Turkish Republic (the supposed successor state due to Istanbul being the former Ottoman capital) being COMPLETE opposites of the Ottoman heritage, should be self-explanatory as well for the success of the Ottomans.

Anyway this forum is a joke forum, so no wonder that 95% of all the Arab users have left.

A few side comments.

1) KSA was never a Western colony.

2) The participants of the Arab Revolt fought successfully and won and fought not for the UK (their nominal allies) but for themselves.

3) The Ottomans were allied with Christian Austria-Hungary and the German Empire so so much for that hypocrisy.

4) The Young Turks were the first etno-nationalists to oppose the Ottomans. They are not taught as "traitors" in Turkish history (lol).

5) There were 100's of uprisings across the Ottoman period, hardly many in the Arab world, but tons in the Balkans.

6) Turkish nationalism is fine (lol) but Arab is not.

7) PDF remains a joke.

 

[dBSPL]

I never knew about this to be honest. A Turkish-Iraqi confederation interesting to be honest I wonder if that happened in reality how different Turkey and Iraq would be.

From an academic point of view, it is difficult to find answers to such questions. The history remained in history.

However, as emerged at the 1930s in numerous official documents belonging to the British intelligence: Britain's Syria, Iraq and Turkey to become united states concern is evident. There are many official information documents on the Turkish side about the same years.

The reality we know is that these states' goals to act together have been frustrated, and then these states have become increasingly hostile to each other which is coordinated by Uk and others.

We were poor and in a difficult situation, but we could have achieved the confederation, before Europe's unity ideas in the 1951. Our real defeat was not World War I. Our real defeat was our complete socially and psychologically disintegration when we wanted to stand up.

 

[Nein]

There never was any "occupation" as Ottoman (no such thing to begin with as most "Ottomans" were Arabs and "Ottoman language" was another Arabic dialect, culture was mostly Arabic, alphabet, architecture, cuisine (modern-day Turkish cuisine owns most of its dishes to gaining access to Arab lands post-1517, whole bureaucracy was stolen/copied from previous much more bigger and influential Arab Caliphates (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid) as were the titles and most of the territory) as the "Ottoman" presence (in Arabia) was limited to a few military garrisons where mostly local "Ottoman" soldiers were present and that too only in Hijaz and for less than 50 years in the Eastern Province. The ruler was the Sharif of Makkah and Madinah (Hijaz as a whole) as under previous caliphates. Rest of KSA was made up various kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms etc.

To make it short, "Ottoman" was as much an Arab entity (if not more) as it was "Turkish" (let us not forget that most Anatolians are actually just Turkified and Arabized people - the Ottoman ruling family were originally nomadic Turks living in Syria and since they took power, they constantly intermarried with foreigners so today they are less than 2% Turkic if that can do it - a Google search should confirm this).

In any case, if some kind of imaginary "Arab betrayal" is taught in schools in Turkey, every single of the 20+ Arab countries should be teaching about the "Ottoman" betrayal in 1517, where they stole the Caliphate after 1000 years of Arab rule (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid) and during 90% + of all the Islamic conquests and during the Islamic Golden Age.

It is without question that 400 years of "Ottoman" presence in PARTS of the Arab world (far from the majority) was overall a dark age for Arabs and 100 years later we are still under this negative influence. In fact it began earlier than that. When the savage Mongols destroyed Islamic civilization as we knew it, 250 years prior. The Muslim world has not since recovered.

EDIT: Hijaz as well as all of Makkah and Madinah are 5000+ year old Hijazi cities inhabited by native Hijazi, so obviously this is 100% Arabian/Arab/Semitic lands and people and KSA is an Arabian/Arab/Semitic country and the House of Saud is an local Arabian dynasty that will have 1 billion times more legitimacy over Hijaz than any non-Arab dynasty.



Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was a Semite and all Semites originate from Arabia. He and his blessed prodigy moved back to Hijaz almost 5000 years ago and that is where monotheism was first practiced in the world.

And Allah (swt) himself thourgh Prophet Muhamad (saws) gave the honor of being keepers of the Kaaba to 1 Hijazi Arab family. Banu Shaiba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Shaiba

So we Arabs have ALWAYS been the custodians of Makkah and Madinah and will continue to be so until the end of times.

BTW Middle East Monitor is an anti-KSA propaganda " news channel" and although I doubt the authenticity of this news, I personally hope that it is correct, as decades of pan-Islamist propaganda has refused to talk of the numerous negative consequences of the "Ottoman" presence in the Arab world. Printing being banned, certain regions being forcefully neglected in order to keep them ignorant etc. Indeed, this was the dark age of the Arabs, as many Arab intellectuals have spoken about for ages from Morocco to Oman. Once Arabic was the language of science and the foremost universities in the entire world were located in the Arab world. What happened during the "Ottoman" presence for 400 years in comparison, everyone can answer for themselves if they know just 1 bit of history.

Ottoman Empire has been dead for like 90+ years and you arabs are still pathetic lol

>Ottomans are Arab
>The Ottomans made us Arabs go through a dark age

Pick one.

Lol the Ottomans political beaucracy was much more different than the Arab caliphates.

 

[letsrock]

Ottomans were indeed a great empire but what has modern turkey set up by attaturk got to do with it ? Attaturk firmly showed his back to Ottomans and abolished the caliphate , romanised their alphabet. And started the pathetic long wait to be admiited in to EU as another piddling small european country. Only when the writing on the wall became clear as far as EU dreams are concerned has turkey begin to "discover" its ottoman heritage.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Ottoman Empire has been dead for like 90+ years and you arabs are still pathetic lol

>Ottomans are Arab
>The Ottomans made us Arabs go through a dark age

Pick one.

Lol the Ottomans political beaucracy was much more different than the Arab caliphates.

Most Arabs don't care about the Ottoman period. They look at it as almost another Arab entity for the reasons that I already wrote. The ones that obsess about it are the Turks. I don't see Arabs obsessing about what occurred in 1517, when the Ottomans stole the Caliphate from the Arabs after almost 1000 years of Arab rule.

The Ottoman period was a dark age for the Arabs compared to previous eras. Every historian will tell you that. In fact the Muslim world has been in a dark age since the fall of Baghdad 750 years ago. Compare the scientific output of the previous Arab caliphates with the Ottoman one, and we are talking about galaxies/lightyears of difference.

The Ottomans based their system on past Arab Caliphates. Those I mentioned. Even all their titles were Arab in origin.

Fact of the matter is that you could easily argue that the Ottoman empire was as much Arab as it was Turkic if not more. BTW after a few generations the ruling Ottoman dynasty was hardly Turkic as I also wrote. They constantly intermarried non-Turks/Turkic people.

This is a troll thread and Arabs don't care about this topic, in fact many Arabs don't care about previous Arab caliphates. It is all history. As Arabs we can talk about the pre-Islamic era as well since the Arab world is home to the oldest civilizations on the planet. As relevant today.

less kurds

What he told you is bogus. There was never any such attempt. It was mostly fantasy from some of the post-Ottoman beuracrats (most of them of Caucasian origins) who kept some of their influence after the Ottoman collapse. Not less Kurds, as there are 2-3 times as many Kurds in Turkey as in Iraq.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

What he told you is bogus. There was never any such attempt. It was mostly fantasy from some of the post-Ottoman beuracrats (most of them of Caucasian origins) who kept some of their influence after the Ottoman collapse. Not less Kurds, as there are 2-3 times as many Kurds in Turkey as in Iraq.

I didn't read it.

The only solution is to Arabize and export Islam, I believe Iraq's major population growth will Arabize the (north)-eastern frontier of the region in the long-term. The Arab world will grow, we will succeed.

 

[Numerous]

I didn't read it.

The only solution is to Arabize and export Islam, I believe Iraq's major population growth will Arabize the (north)-eastern frontier of the region in the long-term. The Arab world will grow, we will succeed.

Maybe keep your race to yourselves and just export the Islam.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Maybe keep your race to yourselves and just export the Islam.

Nah G MENA is our domain.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I didn't read it.

The only solution is to Arabize and export Islam, I believe Iraq's major population growth will Arabize the (north)-eastern frontier of the region in the long-term. The Arab world will grow, we will succeed.

With our eternal allies the Hindutva masses. Everyone of the 1.4 billion Hindutvas need a medal from Bahrain and UAE as well to open the floodgates of tears.

550 million. By the time we die, this number might be 1 billion +, Insha'Allah.

Nah G MENA is our domain.

To expand and to stay. Baqiya.

 

[Numerous]

Nah G MENA is our domain.

It's domain to whatever Muslim ethnicity lives there. Kurds have as much as right to live there as you arabs.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It's domain to whatever Muslim ethnicity lives there. Kurds have as much as right to live there as you arabs.

Excluding Christians and Jews(Not the invaders) much?

 

[Numerous]

Excluding Christians and Jews(Not the invaders) much?

I accept they live there. But they don't rule, that's for Muslims in our lands.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I accept they live there. But they don't rule, that's for Muslims in our lands.

Muslims can't have a "land". We are Arabs and mostly Semites who own the land.

 

[Numerous]

Muslims can't have a "land". We are Arabs and mostly Semites who own the land.

They can. For example, the entire arabian peninsula is Muslim land.

With no mean to cause offence, all this "arabizing" talk or arab nationalism or arab pride won't get you people anymore. You'll be one of the most humiliated people on the face of the earth if you continue pursuing these types of idealogies.