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Saudi Arabia changes Ottoman ‘Empire’ to ‘occupation’ in school textbooks

Well your last prophet was an Arab. So you would have not accepted him as a ruler i guess.

The 2nd last one was a jew. And his own people didnt accept him as a leader.

Peace be upon them all.

Think above Racism. An intellectual can rise from any part of the world.

Jews didn't and don't accept Mohammad as final messenger because he Mohammad PBUH isn't a jew but rather a cousin of jews.

Allah made a promise to Abraham he chose a different line or dna pool for last messiah and jews didn't accept him.


The most hated form of disobedience by Allah is racism. Even the highest caliber angel said im made of fire and adam made of clay i will not bow to him he is inferior to me.


You see thing about knowledge and intelectual intelligence is , its given to anyone of Creator's choosing.

Are you telling me that lets say tomorrow you realize there is a call for all muslims to unite and lets say a person X is accepted as a leader by 90% of muslim populations accross the world. But since he is from lets say Syria or Jordan an Arab or may be Palestinian or saudi you will regect 90% muslim unity and say booo he is an Arab duck him. Im out of here.... ?

Look at the world from bird's eye view or eyes of the sky.. Puny human nationalism or racism is destroying not only muslim world but humanity in general.

I strongly disagree with ur opinion. But you have full right to choose ur life and decisions as u see fit. We are free men till we are called in front of Allah to answer for our decisions and actions.

I reject exclusive right of Arabs to be the rulers. Don't bring the Prophet (SAW), your next Arab ruler (if ever) won't be a prophet, that point is moot.

You are asking to have the bird's eye view and ditch nationalism (I am not one anyway) but you yourself are ceding to Arab nationalism. The Arab nationalism and supremacy has been preached to non Arab Muslims through the vehicle of Shariah for the material benefit of Arabs. Hey, if they get rulership regardless of their merit, just because of being Arab just by dangling the ummah carrot, why won't they take it? Wealth, power everything is up for grabs for them and their people at the expense of non-Arab muslims.
 
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Ok guys let's just cut it, we saw that we have Arab fetishs here almost make sajda upon them just because they are Arabs. People should get rid of this slave-master mindset. They are no superiour to any other nation.
 
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No my brother. Islam. Has no room for racism or nationalism. When you enter islam you are one nation, turks,pakistaniz , indians , Americans , Arabs , Chinese , black, white, brown, red whatever when you become muslim . you are just a muslim nothing more nothing less.

Nationalism is the death of islam.

Exclusive nationalism is against Islam, however not all nationalism is based on the politics of denial of equality of other races, linguistic groups, and ethnic groups.

3.GIF


You are quoting the poem by Allama Iqbal, but how do you explain that Allama Iqbal was instrumental in the establishment of Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism.

Actually men like Quaid e Azam, Allama Iqbal were better than us and through them much good came for the Muslims.

Pakistani brand of nationalism is Islamic nationalism/Muslim nationalism, which is the idea that all Muslims constitute a separate community apart from Non-Muslims.

It is the continuation of our Daulat Islamiyyat, the successor state to Dilli sultanat, Ghaznavi, Ghori, Abdali, Mughals, Mysore, etc.
 
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Arabs are also recognising the armenian "genocide".

Im not surprised really at all.
 
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Arabs are also recognising the armenian "genocide".

Im not surprised really at all.

So who cares

Turkey supported and enables the US in their middle eastern wars since 1991 (against Saddam), **** you guys too together with Erdobitch and every other faggot before that.
 
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Turkey supported and enables the US in their middle eastern wars since 1991 (against Saddam), **** you guys too together with Erdobitch and every other faggot before that.

Saudi Arabia asked and financed invasion of Iraq in 1991 .. You stupid little bitch
and today S.Arabia, Egypt and The Uae support The US and Israel to kick Palestinians out of Jerusalem
 
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Saudi Arabia asked and financed invasion of Iraq in 1991 .. You stupid little bitch
and today S.Arabia, Egypt and The Uae support The US and Israel to kick Palestinians out of Jerusalem

B-52 bombers took off from Incirlik and the airbase has enabled the enforcement of the northern no-fly zone 1991-2003, you little bitch.

Then you ruined Syria and created a Kurdistan, now look at you. Saddam and Khomeini should have aligned and conquered you instead.
 
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B-52 bombers took off from Incirlik and the airbase has enabled the enforcement of the northern no-fly zone 1991-2003, you little bitch.

Then you ruined Syria and created a Kurdistan, now look at you. Saddam and Khomeini should have aligned and conquered you instead.
idiot, turgut ozal said that saddam dont invade kuwait.after that saddam asked american consolos to invade kuwait.Amercans said that ok we dont intervene your invasion ha ha ha.
beter olun, be worse
 
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Here we see a typical effect of the education system.

Now I will tell you a historical event and I will leave you the answer to the question of how the children of two countries with such a history can be so hostile:

Towards the end of the 1930s, relations between Iraq and Turkey had been excellent level. So much so that the two countries came to the point of unification. The text of the confederation was agreed and the date of the referendum was decided. It is little known, but in the late 1930s made intensive studies to come together as confederation between Iraq and Turkey. However, just before the official announcement of the decision, the Iraqi Chief of General Staff, who made the most effort in this regard, died in an assassination near Mosul in 1937, and all the efforts made until then were unsuccessful.

Iraq, although it seemed to be independent in those years, was still a British-dominated kingdom, and Ghazi, one of the grandchildren of Sharif Hussein, who started the famous Arab rebellion against us during the First World War, sat on the throne. It was announced that the British protectorate ended in 1932, but everything remained on paper. The production of oil, which the British Petroleum Company started to produce, increases every year, and the British have had a say in Iraq more than before.

There was Hikmet Süleyman, a member of a Georgian family who had originally settled in Iraq; The Chief of the General Staff was Bekir Sidki Pasha, also from a prominent Kurdish family…

Both were former Ottoman bureaucrats and officers, educated in Istanbul, and even Bekir Sidki Pasha commanded a Turkish brigade and fighting against the British on the Dardanelles front in 1915 and received the “Canakkale Medal”.

Hikmet Süleyman and Bekir Sıdkı Pasha preferred to live in Baghdad instead of Istanbul after the collapse of the empire and became the most powerful rulers of Iraq.

For the realization of the Turkey-Iraq Confederation, one of the names most striving are Prime Minister Hikmet Suleiman Bek and Chief of Staff Sidki Pasha. Both countries became closer and closer since the 1930s, the leaders of Iraq went to Ankara many times and met with Mustafa Kemal and İsmet Pasha and the outlines of the confederation were drawn during these visits.

After the details were determined, it was time to announce the Confederation. Bekir Sidki Pasha's plan was going to Ankara in the last week of August 1937 and the official statement was to be made in Ankara.

In those years, it was not possible to go from Baghdad to Ankara without a transfer and the plane had to stop in several places and get fuel.

Bekir Sidki Pasha, who left Baghdad for Ankara on the morning of August 11, 1937, first arrived at Mosul, the first transfer station, and settled in the guesthouse of the military airport in Mosul with Muhammad Ali Cevad, a senior commander of the Iraqi Air Force.

But that night, a few guns exploded in the guesthouse and Bekir Sidki Pasha and Muhammad Ali Jawad rolled to the ground with blood!

Both of them died on the there and the confederation project was remained a dream... The rumors in the following years were that the British finger was behind the murders and that British had eliminated Bekir Sidki to prevent a Turkish-Iraqi Confederation!

Following the assassination, Baghdad suddenly became involved, thousands of people were arrested, and Prime Minister Hikmet Suleyman had to give his resignation to King Gazi, but after a while he was arrested too! He was brought before the military court, the crime he was accused of was not disclosed, but the court decided to execute him. but somehow he was not executed, he was confined to a prison in the north of Baghdad, forgiven two years later, and allowed to return to Baghdad on condition that he would not do politics again.

After all of that , Iraq experienced its real turmoil two years later in 1939

One day, the brakes of King Gazi, who was keen on speeding with the car, exploded and hit a tree and his body was shattered. Rumors did not stop again, the accident was actually assassination for some ones, and Britishes did again.

With the replacement of throne from Ghazi to his son Faysal, the fight for power in Baghdad became more heated, coups and attempts to overthrow of the government tryings followed each other. Finally, in 1958, one of the bloodiest coup de'tat in history took place in Baghdad on the night of July 14th. The coup plundered the young king Faisal, his family, and the entire senior administration of Iraq in their beds that night. As you know the next story, the pan-Arabist ideals of Abdüsselám Arif were melted away by the power of the UK-US shift/struggle in Iraq. And stones were already being laid for Saddam's path ...

How many of us know about this? Very few of us, because we do not read our common history, we read the propaganda of the hegamons.
 
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Here we see a typical effect of the education system.

Now I will tell you a historical event and I will leave you the answer to the question of how the children of two countries with such a history can be so hostile:

Towards the end of the 1930s, relations between Iraq and Turkey had been excellent level. So much so that the two countries came to the point of unification. The text of the confederation was agreed and the date of the referendum was decided. It is little known, but in the late 1930s made intensive studies to come together as confederation between Iraq and Turkey. However, just before the official announcement of the decision, the Iraqi Chief of General Staff, who made the most effort in this regard, died in an assassination near Mosul in 1937, and all the efforts made until then were unsuccessful.

Iraq, although it seemed to be independent in those years, was still a British-dominated kingdom, and Ghazi, one of the grandchildren of Sharif Hussein, who started the famous Arab rebellion against us during the First World War, sat on the throne. It was announced that the British protectorate ended in 1932, but everything remained on paper. The production of oil, which the British Petroleum Company started to produce, increases every year, and the British have had a say in Iraq more than before.

There was Hikmet Süleyman, a member of a Georgian family who had originally settled in Iraq; The Chief of the General Staff was Bekir Sidki Pasha, also from a prominent Kurdish family…

Both were former Ottoman bureaucrats and officers, educated in Istanbul, and even Bekir Sidki Pasha commanded a Turkish brigade and fighting against the British on the Dardanelles front in 1915 and received the “Canakkale Medal”.

Hikmet Süleyman and Bekir Sıdkı Pasha preferred to live in Baghdad instead of Istanbul after the collapse of the empire and became the most powerful rulers of Iraq.

For the realization of the Turkey-Iraq Confederation, one of the names most striving are Prime Minister Hikmet Suleiman Bek and Chief of Staff Sidki Pasha. Both countries became closer and closer since the 1930s, the leaders of Iraq went to Ankara many times and met with Mustafa Kemal and İsmet Pasha and the outlines of the confederation were drawn during these visits.

After the details were determined, it was time to announce the Confederation. Bekir Sidki Pasha's plan was going to Ankara in the last week of August 1937 and the official statement was to be made in Ankara.

In those years, it was not possible to go from Baghdad to Ankara without a transfer and the plane had to stop in several places and get fuel.

Bekir Sidki Pasha, who left Baghdad for Ankara on the morning of August 11, 1937, first arrived at Mosul, the first transfer station, and settled in the guesthouse of the military airport in Mosul with Muhammad Ali Cevad, a senior commander of the Iraqi Air Force.

But that night, a few guns exploded in the guesthouse and Bekir Sidki Pasha and Muhammad Ali Jawad rolled to the ground with blood!

Both of them died on the there and the confederation project was remained a dream... The rumors in the following years were that the British finger was behind the murders and that British had eliminated Bekir Sidki to prevent a Turkish-Iraqi Confederation!

Following the assassination, Baghdad suddenly became involved, thousands of people were arrested, and Prime Minister Hikmet Suleyman had to give his resignation to King Gazi, but after a while he was arrested too! He was brought before the military court, the crime he was accused of was not disclosed, but the court decided to execute him. but somehow he was not executed, he was confined to a prison in the north of Baghdad, forgiven two years later, and allowed to return to Baghdad on condition that he would not do politics again.

After all of that , Iraq experienced its real turmoil two years later in 1939

One day, the brakes of King Gazi, who was keen on speeding with the car, exploded and hit a tree and his body was shattered. Rumors did not stop again, the accident was actually assassination for some ones, and Britishes did again.

With the replacement of throne from Ghazi to his son Faysal, the fight for power in Baghdad became more heated, coups and attempts to overthrow of the government tryings followed each other. Finally, in 1958, one of the bloodiest coup de'tat in history took place in Baghdad on the night of July 14th. The coup plundered the young king Faisal, his family, and the entire senior administration of Iraq in their beds that night. As you know the next story, the pan-Arabist ideals of Abdüsselám Arif were melted away by the power of the UK-US shift/struggle in Iraq. And stones were already being laid for Saddam's path ...

How many of us know about this? Very few of us, because we do not read our common history, we read the propaganda of the hegamons.

I never knew about this to be honest. A Turkish-Iraqi confederation interesting to be honest I wonder if that happened in reality how different Turkey and Iraq would be.
 
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