Saudi Arabia changes Ottoman ‘Empire’ to ‘occupation’ in school textbooks

[Oublious]

@Oublious , what is this short pants talking about?



Hagia Sofia is a church idiot. Qaaba is the house of Allah, by the God's defination and belongs to every Muslim.

Fals flagger...

 

[letsrock]

This shows how low logics you have, what does this have to do with the topic.

so you admit it is the truth. Just not the "right" topic.

 

[Oublious]

so you admit it is the truth. Just not the "right" topic.

Truth is not logic.

 

[dBSPL]

It is our medal of honor that nothing that you are now culturally proud of has been destroyed by the Turks.

Think of an Arab state that has plundered cities like Samarkand and Bukhara, which are among the most important cultural centers of the world until Talas wars, and have laid their hands on the honor of all Turkish women and children. After only two centuries, they were all alone, and the capital Baghdad was about to fall to Buveyhis. Tuğrul Bey saved the caliph's life and dynasty. For what ? The Turks do not spare their lives and property for the honor of brotherhood.

While the great Turkish commanders like Mahmud of Ghaznavid tried to strengthen Islam towards India, the Oghuz Seljuk Turks saved the Arab caliphate that was trapped between the two Shiite states like Fatimids in the west and Buveyhis in the east.

Thus, the first example of secularism emerged in the history of Islam. While the Abbasid caliph continued to deal with religious and justice affairs, sultan title and the "sword of Islam" title was given to Tugrul Bey by Arabs.

The Oghuz Turks army came completely as a result of the Arabs' call for help and we never betrayed their relics.

The Turks are a bit harsh, but also have brave characteristics. They have not touched your children and women. They didn't try to destroy your culture. They didn't try to erase your language and names.

**

In the Ottoman period, although Moroccan dynasty periodically cooperated with the Spaniards, we prevented the Spanish-Porteguese reconquista movement from spreading to north Africa with our Algerian, Libyan and Tunisian brothers. We tried to protect our Arab brothers and sisters against the Portuguese raids in the Red Sea and the Gulf. While Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria and Abyssinia became rich, believe that the Anatolian Turkish people were in poverty. We fought from border to border, wherever a Muslim was in a difficult situation, we went with all our strength to help him.

Our goal was to create a world state, and we have succeeded for centuries. Local autonomies were very important in the Ottoman state system. In order not to harm the cultural fabric, sensitivity was shown, local language was preserved and religious beliefs were not touched. The main reason for the disintegration of the Ottomans was this tolerant structure of justice.

When the scholars want give a name to Yavuz Selim as Hakimü’l Harameyn which is meaning ruler of Makka and Madina , Yavuz said: -Far from it, God forbid, we are not the owner of the places, but we're servants, he said.

After the conquest of Egypt (which is end of Dawla al Turkiyya and Ottoman wars), Yavuz was elected as the Islamic Caliph by a joint decision of the scholars. Yavuz's first act after becoming a caliph was finding the lost tomb of Muhyiddin Arabi Hazrat, who was buried in Damascus, then built a tomb and mosque on behalf of His Holiness Muhyiddin Arabi. Yavuz is a typical Ottoman character with respect and love for scholars and people engaged in science. Like his son and grandsons.

We did not enter Mecca and Medina with a sword.

But we left after our soldiers died of starvation under a heavy siege. Because we were fighting against the British and theirs proxy Arab militants.

The real question should be like this :

While much of the world saw Islam as an Arab religion, Why did this warrior nation choose Islam, ?

While the Arabs worshiped the statues of their own pottery, the Turks knew that there was only one god in the sky and worshiped it. Each soil where the Turks stepped on , theirs homeland and the only owner is Allah.

 

[Numerous]

Nationalism being cancerous as usual.

 

[Bengal71]

Arab is a nationalist name. Turk is a nationalist name. Indian , israeli , iranian these are all nationalist names. Nationalism is the death of islam.

We are muslims first, Arabs , blacks, africans, americans russians pakistani banglalis later.

Those who are nationalist will die soon under a white smoke that will engulf majority of the world as the prophecies tell.


If you love pakistan more than islam. More than muslims than you are a pakistani first not a muslim first.


In islam you are muslim first. Outside of islam you can be martians or Aliens, islam doesn't care for nationalistic concepts. Nor racial concepts.

Arabs can go walk in a park. Pakistaniz can go take a hike.
Muslim first or no muslim at all that is the concept of ummah which is absent.

Though we think we are muslims we are only imposters copycats of muslims. We only have muslim names and some visual practices like going to a mosque for sake of satisfying our insecurities.


We are not muslim that i can assure you. We are arabs. Pakistaniz and turks first. Muslims later.


Nationalism is the death of Islam.

The question was why Muslims of non-Arab background will accept an Arab ruler? Why must an Arab be the ruler of all Muslims.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It is our medal of honor that nothing that you are now culturally proud of has been destroyed by the Turks.

Think of an Arab state that has plundered cities like Samarkand and Bukhara, which are among the most important cultural centers of the world until Talas wars, and have laid their hands on the honor of all Turkish women and children. After only two centuries, they were all alone, and the capital Baghdad was about to fall to Buveyhis. Tuğrul Bey saved the caliph's life and dynasty. For what ? The Turks do not spare their lives and property for the honor of brotherhood.

While the great Turkish commanders like Mahmud of Ghaznavid tried to strengthen Islam towards India, the Oghuz Seljuk Turks saved the Arab caliphate that was trapped between the two Shiite states like Fatimids in the west and Buveyhis in the east.

Thus, the first example of secularism emerged in the history of Islam. While the Abbasid caliph continued to deal with religious and justice affairs, sultan title and the "sword of Islam" title was given to Tugrul Bey by Arabs.

The Oghuz Turks army came completely as a result of the Arabs' call for help and we never betrayed their relics.

The Turks are a bit harsh, but also have brave characteristics. They have not touched your children and women. They didn't try to destroy your culture. They didn't try to erase your language and names.

**

In the Ottoman period, although Moroccan dynasty periodically cooperated with the Spaniards, we prevented the Spanish-Porteguese reconquista movement from spreading to north Africa with our Algerian, Libyan and Tunisian brothers. We tried to protect our Arab brothers and sisters against the Portuguese raids in the Red Sea and the Gulf. While Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria and Abyssinia became rich, believe that the Anatolian Turkish people were in poverty. We fought from border to border, wherever a Muslim was in a difficult situation, we went with all our strength to help him.

Our goal was to create a world state, and we have succeeded for centuries. Local autonomies were very important in the Ottoman state system. In order not to harm the cultural fabric, sensitivity was shown, local language was preserved and religious beliefs were not touched. The main reason for the disintegration of the Ottomans was this tolerant structure of justice.

When the scholars want give a name to Yavuz Selim as Hakimü’l Harameyn which is meaning ruler of Makka and Madina , Yavuz said: -Far from it, God forbid, we are not the owner of the places, but we're servants, he said.

After the conquest of Egypt (which is end of Dawla al Turkiyya and Ottoman wars), Yavuz was elected as the Islamic Caliph by a joint decision of the scholars. Yavuz's first act after becoming a caliph was finding the lost tomb of Muhyiddin Arabi Hazrat, who was buried in Damascus, then built a tomb and mosque on behalf of His Holiness Muhyiddin Arabi. Yavuz is a typical Ottoman character with respect and love for scholars and people engaged in science. Like his son and grandsons.

We did not enter Mecca and Medina with a sword.

But we left after our soldiers died of starvation under a heavy siege. Because we were fighting against the British and theirs proxy Arab militants.

The real question should be like this :

While much of the world saw Islam as an Arab religion, Why did this warrior nation choose Islam, ?

While the Arabs worshiped the statues of their own pottery, the Turks knew that there was only one god in the sky and worshiped it. Each soil where the Turks stepped on , theirs homeland and the only owner is Allah.

There is no doubt as to the strength of faith, character, loyalty, and bravery of Turks. It is because of the Turkish conquests that Islam spread beyond land conquered by Banu Umayya.

Everything of the Islamic world beyond Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Arab peninsula, and Persia is a result of Turkish armies and their defense of those lands.

Rather than an occupation, Turkish rule was a renewal and rejuvenation of Islam.

 

[OIO]

The question was why Muslims of non-Arab background will accept an Arab ruler? Why must an Arab be the ruler of all Muslims.

The question is not who was the ruler in the past but who will be the ruler in the future.

 

[B.K.N]

The question was why Muslims of non-Arab background will accept an Arab ruler?

Why will Muslims accept an Iranian or Turk ruler
It means there won't be any ruler of Muslims ruler of Pakistanis is Imran Khan similarly all other Muslims have their own rulers

Why must an Arab be the ruler of all Muslims.

Maybe because Islam originated from Arabia

 

[SOHEIL]

Maybe because Islam originated from Arabia

LOL

 

[B.K.N]

LOL

You believe Islam originated from Iran?

 

[damm1t]

You believe Islam originated from Iran?

Well, oubviosly have an Arab-fetish but Islam is not Arab thing, it started there doesn't mean Arabs invented it. It's sent by God himself and as the Prophet says, " Arabs are not superior to who are not Arabs". So, there is an "ummah" ideology here.

Secondly, Muslims don't need a ruler, they just have to learn working together nation-wise.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Is it surprising that the Ottomans are hated by the Arabs while bitches like TE lawrence and Getrude Bell are worshipped by Arabs.

This just shows pathetic state they are in.

Then again Turkey has also done not a good job in protecting its Ottoman past even in Turkish history books most of the stuff about the Ottoman Empire has always been negative due to kemalists. Not just kemalists I think people of all ideologies in Turkey have not done a great job this includes neo ottoman fanboys instead of reading up on history constantly spouted up myths from sources called facebook and twitter then they watch payitat and ertugurl making them think they know so much when both are just tv shows.

Most Arabs nowadays have negative feelings towards the Turks even today they blame Turkey for merely everything LOL

In my experience, most ppl are unaware of its history just as ppl here are unaware of ours. I was watching a video of university student who didnt even know who conquered Istanbul, or anything related to it. Guess what was the name of the university?

 

[SOHEIL]

You believe Islam originated from Iran?

No ... Islam belongs to all muslims! Arabs think they are special muslims ... this is why they don't give a shit about kashmir! Not even Palestinians , because they are not pure arabs from hijaz!

 

[Bengal71]

Why will Muslims accept an Iranian or Turk ruler
It means there won't be any ruler of Muslims ruler of Pakistanis is Imran Khan similarly all other Muslims have their own rulers

Maybe because Islam originated from Arabia

But it did not originate in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Nigeria or Indonesia. So why non-Arabs must accept an Arab ruler?