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Sarbajeet Singh the Indian spy, critically injured.

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Since you are asking to compare both sides for similar treatment of prisoners, it does not mean we should allow lawlessness to happen even in prisons. Any high value prisoners similar to Ajmal Kasab like Sarabjeet singh should be given maximum security...because they are on media glare. These kind of incidents do not lend credibility of your justice system for people across the border. Anyway I found this clip of the key witness in this case.....


Funny did you find the glaring evidence that Indian spies were released on the lame slogans of how many kids they had and how the poor 'singhs' were being framed. Take a look what happened when Pakistan showed these bastards some mercy >

I was an Indian spy, admits Kashmir Singh - Times Of India

Back from Pak, Surjeet admits he went to spy - Hindustan Times
 
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What about our fishermen in your jails??

as I said earlier the trial and proofs are not credible in his case.

Pakistan doesnt treat them like u do to our fishermen... we dont torture ur fishermen or make them mentally handicapped or imprison them for decades upon decades... heck we even release them by the hundreds same can not be said about u people..
 
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Pakistan doesnt treat them like u do to our fishermen... we dont torture ur fishermen or make them mentally handicapped or imprison them for decades upon decades... heck we even release them by the hundreds same can not be said about u people..

Lot of instances and long list :wave:
 
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Sarbjit Singh to Pakistan is what Ajmal Kasab is to India........ Lets not dig out all the comments made by Indians on this forum about him, LET and Hafiz Saeed sahib, and what they would like to do to them
 
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Pakistan doesnt treat them like u do to our fishermen... we dont torture ur fishermen or make them mentally handicapped or imprison them for decades upon decades... heck we even release them by the hundreds same can not be said about u people..
...A case of selective reporting...or posting on forum...
 
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Lot of instances and long list :wave:

Do post a few... we have hundreds of such people....ur fishermen are bloody criminals:

Pakistan’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of 200-nautical miles, designated by the United Nations, is overwhelmingly enriched in both living and non-living marine resources - especially the Indus Delta region has abundance of prime quality fish that entice the neighbouring Indian fishermen, who deliberately violate the international boundaries and indulge in illegal fishing activities in Pakistan’s EEZ.

Despite the best monitoring efforts of the Pakistan Maritime Security Agency (PMSA), deliberate violation of Pakistani EEZ by Indian fishermen continues causing huge losses to Pakistan’s fisheries resources. Emotional stories regarding the plight of Indian fishermen facing persecution in Pakistani jails are published. Some of the convicted fisherman, when interviewed by the media, projected the predetermined theme in a parrot-like manner. NGOs, humanitarian organisations, respectable members of the society, etc, in innocence adopt the same stance and project the fishermen as victims of the circumstances beyond their control. Arrests are blamed on the insensitivity and highhandedness of the PMSA and other Pakistani law enforcement agencies.

The PMSA, being the sole maritime law enforcement agency, undertakes concerted operational efforts to prevent the poaching activities by Indian fishermen. In this regard, besides regular deployment of ships and surveillance by aircraft, a series of focused anti-poaching operations are also conducted in the Eastern Maritime Region.

To curb this tendency, Indian boats close to the EEZ boundary (10-15 NM) are cleared from the Pakistani limits towards India.

Even among those Indian fishing boats, which intrude deeper into our EEZ, only a few boats are apprehended and majority are cleared off. Moreover, children/elderly are invariably released/let go, purely on humanitarian grounds. The extent of the illegal activity is an indication of the lure despite the peril of apprehension.

However, regular patrolling and clearing of these fishermen by the PMSA ships has progressively resulted in substantial decrease in the presence of Indian boats. During the recent past (September 2012 onwards), 131 boats and 484 crewmembers have been apprehended, which is but a mere drop in the ocean. During the trials of Indian fishermen, the Pakistani courts adopt a humanitarian view and award light sentences from one to three years for this deliberate illegal activity. Frequently, as a goodwill gesture, the government of Pakistan releases them before the end of their sentence. On the contrary, the Indian law enforcement agencies mete out very harsh punishment to the Pakistani fishermen and they are kept away from the judicial process for a long time.

According to marine experts, quality fish is available in abundance in Pakistani creeks. The Indian fishermen deliberately take risks to fish in Pakistani territorial limits. Such poaching activities not only deplete the highly priced marine species, it also inflicts a loss of Rs8.1 billion per annum to the government exchequer. During January 2012 to March 2013, 184 boats, along with 606 Indian fisher-folks, who were fishing more than 25-100 NMs inside our EEZ, were apprehended. It clearly reflects the deliberate intrusion marked by mala fide intent, especially when all the Indian boats have Global Positioning System (GPS) installed in their boats that tells the exact position of the boat. These fishermen mainly sail from Okha or Porbandar in India, which are around 115 NM (148 km) and 135 NM (250 km) (I nautical mile = 1.85 km) respectively from our EEZ.

The boats travel even further ahead of the EEZ and their deliberate acts of intrusion are done well within Pakistan’s waters. Most regrettably, some violators are apprehended even 100 nautical miles inside our waters. These incursions are not restricted to a few ‘innocent inadvertent crossers’ but at occasions number over 300 boats. The lure of the rich fish catch is extremely attractive and worth taking a calculated risk vis-à-vis the expected return. Moreover, the nets used by them are internationally banned, due to their very small mesh size.

On the contrary, any crossing by Pakistani fishermen into the Indian EEZ is indeed inadvertent as there is no fishing attraction in Indian waters. From January 2012 till end March 2013, numerous incursions of massive quantity (totalling thousands) were regularly reported in Pakistani EEZ. However, during the same period, only 12 Pakistani fishing boats were apprehended by the Indian Coast Guard units and that too in close proximity of the EEZ demarcation.

A hotline was earlier established in November 2006 for exchange of information and coordination between the two director generals. The intrusions are regularly conveyed to the Indian Coast Guards. Regrettably, the response has at best been lukewarm and no effective action to curb the ingress has been taken, indicating tacit state approval of this criminal activity.

http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...nHjA0sW3ZaArtF7bNwMTd8Q&bvm=bv.45645796,d.bmk

...A case of selective reporting...or posting on forum...

Yeah righ:

As you walk through the outer gates, you can’t miss a white board showing the number of prisoners in the District Prison Malir, Karachi, along with their other details. The number of foreigners in the jail stands out. According to the information on the board, District Prison Malir currently houses 469 foreign prisoners of whom 256 have been convicted, 41 are being detained and 170 are under-trial prisoners (UTP). And almost all of them are Indian fishermen.

Somewhere in neighbouring India, there must be similar boards in their prisons or sheets of paper clipped in files showing the number of foreign inmates, many of whom are fishermen from Pakistan.

Sir Creek, a 96km strip disputed territory in the Indian Ocean between Pakistan’s Sindh and India’s Gujarat state is where almost all of these violations occur. Pakistan and India don’t know where to draw the line — literally. The misery suffered by Pakistani and Indian fishermen caught for unknowingly crossing over to the other country while catching fish at sea seems to have no end. In a way their situation can be compared to fish caught in the net, fighting for life and then pulled out of water. They are poor people whose livelihood for generations has depended on fishing. They don’t know any other work and if they get caught for straying into each other’s waters by mistake, they face an infinite time in jail while their families face a life of uncertainty and hunger back home.

For their families there is no news for days or even months after the disappearance of their menfolk, though vanishing with their boat at sea almost always means the same thing — that they have been arrested for straying into alien territory. The boats are confiscated immediately and never returned.

The Indian fishermen arrested for invading Pakistani territory are usually from Gujarat and the Pakistani fishermen caught on the other side are from Sindh, mostly Keti Bunder in Thatta and other coastal villages of Karachi such as Ibrahim Hyderi, Mubarak Village, Rehri Goth, Chashma Goth, Abdullah Goth, Abdul Rahman Goth, Kaka Village, Soomar Goth, Sanghu Goth, the Baba and Bhitt islands, etc. The fishermen on either side have similar stories to tell about how they were arrested. They only realise they are in troubled waters when they find the coastguard boats approaching them, and by then it is too late.

While the Indian fishermen — unless they happen to be children in which case they are kept in the Youthful Offenders’ School adjacent to Karachi Central Prison — are sent to the District Prison Malir where they are kept in new and separate barracks and treated rather well, the Pakistani fishermen are not so fortunate. Most are sent to GIC Kutch Putch, a prison in Gujarat, India.

The children are also sent to regular prisons, kept with criminals and beaten up night and day. Some have even died in prison in India like Ibrahim Mallah of Keti Bunder in 2010 and Nawaz Ali Mohammad of Rehri Goth in 2012. The news about their death also reached here after several days and it took even longer, almost a month, to have their remains brought here.

Whereas the Indian fishermen imprisoned here say they get to eat proper food, those lucky enough to return alive from India, have terrible tales to narrate about their ordeal. “We were fed the thinnest watery curry with worms floating in it but it was either that or starve to death, so we ate,” said little Mir Mohammad of Thatta, soon after the 14-year-old’s return from India after one-and-a-half year. Another recent returnee 16-year-old Asghar Ali says that they were made to sweep and scrub floors in GIC Kutch Putch, a far cry from the Youthful Offenders’ School here where the young prisoners are expected to take lessons and learn some kind of a craft. “The prison staff treated us like total criminals. They yelled and screamed at us day in and day out. ‘You are not here to attend your father’s wedding so you better work to earn your keep,’ is what they’d tell us,” said 18-year-old Abdul Kareem on his return to Pakistan.

Recently, the Pakistan government took very good care of a young Indian fisherman suffering from brain abscess at the time of arrest. He was admitted to Civil Hospital and treated so well there by the doctors and nurses that at the time of his release he said that he wanted to become a doctor. One wonders about the fate of any Pakistani fisherman with any ailment under Indian imprisonment.

“My husband was suffering from a gastric ailment which was so serious that I had on occasions seen him cough up blood. It has been eight months since my husband went missing at sea. I don’t know what’s become of him,” Zahida Begum, wife of Abdur Rehman, a Pakistani fisherman cried.

It is a sad reality that while Indian fishermen prisoners in Pakistani jails are released as soon as they have served their sentence, things aren’t happening the same way for Pakistani fishermen in Indian jails. Some have been stuck there for as long as 13 to 14 years.

Justice (retd) Nasir Aslam Zahid, who has been fighting for the cause of fishermen for years through his NGO Legal Aid, explained that under the Foreigners Act of 1946, aliens get around seven years in prison.

“But here we intervene to give these poor fishermen some respite. By the time their cases reach court, it has already been around one year, which we have requested to be considered as served time. That is how they are released after nine to 14 months, regularly,” he says. “There is no green or orange line representing Pakistan or India in the sea,” he points out.

It’s a great moment of joy for the Indians when they are being released. They joke with the prison guards and are presented with new clothes and shoes by Legal Aid or any other NGO responsible for arranging transport for them right up to Wagah where they are then handed over to Indian authorities.

Another NGO that also comes to the aid of fishermen is Ansar Burney Trust. The Edhi Trust, meanwhile, is responsible for receiving and transporting Pakistani fishermen on their being handed over to Pakistan authorities by the Indians at Wagah.

The Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum (PFF) and Fishermen’s Cooperative Society (FCS) also look after the well being of both Indian fishermen in Pakistani jails and Pakistani fishermen in Indian jails.

Sometimes, determining a detainee’s nationality can also become an issue and prolong his stay in prison. After exchanging information with the other country’s authorities about the arrests made, there has to be some kind of confirmation that the people really are from the other side. There are many Burmese fishermen families in Ibrahim Hyderi and they don’t even have a National Database and Registration Authority (Nadra) CNIC. Likewise, there are several individuals from India whose nationalities have not been conformed by India.

“To deport a person, you need to know what country a person belongs to,” points out Kamal Shah of the PFF. “That’s where NGOs like us come in. “We accept responsibility for the Burmese men, also known as Bengalis here, while urging the Indian government for their early release,” he says.

“Normally we get in touch with the Indian authorities through the Arambagh Police Station, the moment any of the fishing boats go missing here. That’s how we find out if our fishermen have been arrested at sea. Then we inform their families. Those who have no other means of earning also receive food rations from us, which is little consolation for their plight,” he admits.

Iqbal Haider advocate and the poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz are no more with us, but they also fought for the fishermen’s cause. Faiz Ahmed Faiz as director of the Fishermen’s Cooperative Society also used his international influence to get detained Pakistani fishermen released from Indian jails. Iqbal Haider went to India to negotiate the release of Pakistani fishermen. At his reference meeting last year, Karamat Ali of Piler, said, “After getting the biggest batch of 450 Indian fishermen released from Pakistan, Iqbal decided to go to India for the release of Pakistani fishermen imprisoned there. Through his sources, he even met Sonia Gandhi. When they agreed to release 25 Pakistani fishermen, he threw a fit saying that he had got 450 Indian fishermen released and was hoping for as big a number to be released from India in return. He said he wouldn’t leave if they didn’t agree. It was only on his insistence and stubbornness that we eventually returned home with some 75 Pakistani fishermen,” he said.
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I Surprise when I see any indian saying that sarbjeet Singh is innocent and they still demand proofs..
 
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@DESERT FIGHTER this thread is not related to that issue kindly be in topic. If you want to discuss about fishermen open a new thread.
 
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I Surprise when I see any indian saying that sarbjeet Singh is innocent and they still demand proofs..

Exactly, the last three 'singhs' Pakistan released on mercy petitions were spies who were involved in terrorism and anti state activities. All accepted that in front of Indian media and showed Pakistan the middle finger yet these trolls still have the temerity to ask us to release this one.
 
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If it was upto me id personally shoot tht bastard terrorist..
 
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^ Correct this terrorist needs to be hanged if he dies now it would be a pity.
 
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...Prime example of selective reporting...U searched for wahat you wanted...U got some result...and for U it became the 'ONLY' thuth..
Do some neutral research... and U will see the light..
Spare the effort...'Neautral, may be a too big a word for many here...including Veterans (by virtue of posts)...
 
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...Prime example of selective reporting...U searched for wahat you wanted...U got some result...and for U it became the 'ONLY' thuth..
Do some neutral research... and U will see the light..
Spare the effort...'Neautral, may be a too big a word for many here...including Veterans (by virtue of posts)...

Thanks but no thanks for the ranting..
 
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I Surprise when I see any indian saying that sarbjeet Singh is innocent and they still demand proofs..

Indians deliberately act stup1d for a reason....... They will live in denial asking for proof and fail o understand or accept that he same question can be put back to them when they raise this sort of question. I tend to see them like background noise....

Reminds me of an Arab saying....."when the caravan travels, dogs tend to bark on the way, a caravan does not stop for a dog"
 
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