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jhungary said:
I would disagree on this tying down the West in Europe.

Notice that NATO weren't at all engage in this. Despite what Putin Claim. NATO was never going to accept Ukraine, they rejected their membership plan outright in 2008, they reject to even consider the application in 2015. What NATO is doing here, and now is to have this to become a big enough issue. The eyes of NATO is on Sweden and Finland, the NATO want these two nation to join NATO, not Ukraine. And the situation in Ukraine is a good media to tell Finland and Sweden to drop any last doubt that Russia is going to play nice in the region.

Strategically and Tactically, NATO does not help out Ukraine that much, but NATO member amongst themselves are starting to wake up to the years of liberal-socialist dormitory. We already see a few NATO member dropped their usual stance on non-interference policy, Germany send arms to Ukraine for the first time since 1955. Estonia and Latvia shore up the border. And if Sweden and Finland did join NATO (Which is highly probable) That will bolster the Eastern Flank of NATO because both are regional Military Power. And that in turn will free up US and UK asset on NATO and you want to venture a guess where these freed up asset is going to deploy next? Asia Pacific. There are already AUKUS pact, in which both US and UK is developing Australia into a regional power, which along with Singapore and US/UK asset in South Pacific would basically increase the difficulty to host operation for China. That should be alarming to the Chinese.

What this war does to Russia is to have them completely controlled by China. And also expose the weakness of Russian Warfighting Capability. And what this conflict bring to China is an unnecessary conflict between two traditional allies. And probably bankrolling a war that China have nothing to do with. Now would that mean any Chinese Advantage? That's quite depends on what Russia give them in return (casual guess would be oil and gas) but I see this do more harm to China to get involved than good to them.
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Well. We agree to disagree about the China angle. And yet your post overall suggests my understanding of the strategic environment. My understanding is that Russia's decades old 'strategic ambiguity' is gone now and it is firmly in the Chinese camp. My understanding is that anything happening in Europe or the Middle East or anywhere except the Pacific region which ties the Western resources is to China's advantage. China wouldn't necessarily want this conflict but now that it has started China knows where its interest lie and Chinese members here would confirm that. There are really such things as the Zero Sum Gains!

You have surprisingly played up Ukraine as an ally of China. Ukraine is peanuts for China compared with Russia! Heck, Ukraine is peanuts for even Pakistan compared to the advantages gained by China and Russia. Maybe Ukraine is just a bag of peanuts ;)

And in another post, you brought up nukes as a reason China would stop Russia. What an odd thing to say??!!! Russia is not going to use nukes. It can conventionally flatten and totally destroy Ukraine IF and WHEN Putin is really cornered. The nukes are for the West to be aware of the ultimate costs and to back off. A blackmail to let the West be mindful of where things could end up but as of now a very far fetched idea.
 
Meengla said:
Well. We agree to disagree about the China angle. And yet your post overall suggests my understanding of the strategic environment. My understanding is that Russia's decades old 'strategic ambiguity' is gone now and it is firmly in the Chinese camp. My understanding is that anything happening in Europe or the Middle East or anywhere except the Pacific region which ties the Western resources is to China's advantage. China wouldn't necessarily want this conflict but now that it has started China knows where its interest lie and Chinese members here would confirm that. There are really such things as the Zero Sum Gains!

You have surprisingly played up Ukraine as an ally of China. Ukraine is peanuts for China compared with Russia! Heck, Ukraine is peanuts for even Pakistan compared to the advantages gained by China and Russia. Maybe Ukraine is just a bag of peanuts ;)

And in another post, you brought up nukes as a reason China would stop Russia. What an odd thing to say??!!! Russia is not going to use nukes. It can conventionally flatten and totally destroy Ukraine IF and WHEN Putin is really cornered. The nukes are for the West to be aware of the ultimate costs and to back off. A blackmail to let the West be mindful of where things could end up but as of now a very far fetched idea.
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I respect your point, so I am just going to say this.

There are complicated issue regarding this, and most Chinese member here, as far as I remember and dealing with, is incapable to understand the complicated issue ahead. There are probably 2 member I know from China in this forum that knows exactly what is going on.

Otherwise we can agree to disagree with the idea. I believe in what I said, and I am a military man, has been for a long time, and not a politician, with that in mind, I may not be the most reliable Political pundit. And I am afraid this is going to the tuff that I don't want to talk about as I said on my second post in this matter.
 
jamahir said:
Freedom fighter ? :rofl: An Al Qaeda or "Muslim" Brotherhood criminal calls himself a freedom fighter ? And it no surprise that Western mainstream media will celebrate AQ and MB criminals.



Yes I will, thank you.
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He is not Al Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood. He is from FSA a Syrian whose country got destroyed by Russians. You won't understand it.
 
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Are you guys still considering that this will be a quick Russian victory? I think Russia will prevail with time but time is what they’re lacking.
 
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