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Russia Plans to Cut Ukraine in 2 Pieces

Why cut it, while you can get it all?

Besides the current government of Ukraine is illegitimate.

It's a puppet government, that took over the legally democratic elected government.

It's like handing over the stolen goods to the thief.
Russia imports collapse by 50 percent. Russians hospitals run out of medicines. Mothers run out of diapers. Supermarkets run out of goods. Aircrafts can’t fly. Ships can’t sail. Russian tourists can’t go anywhere. Becoming the most isolated and most sanctioned country on earth. Russians and cheerleaders would be more worried of own people than worried about fair or not fair democracy in Ukraine. That’s not your concern.
 
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Why cut it, while you can get it all?

Besides the current government of Ukraine is illegitimate.

It's a puppet government, that took over the legally democratic elected government.

It's like handing over the stolen goods to the thief.
russia only wants the oil/gas rich donbass and eastern Ukraine region.
 
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My commiserations and salute to him. The Russians have top officers fighting on the front, among their people in contrast to NATO propaganda about how there is friction among the regular soldiers and the officers. How about Supreme Commander Zelensky jr whose mother says he is consulted on daily military matters by his father who was shown in the first two or three days of the war in a trench but which turned out to be a photo from some years ago from the UkroNazi war against the Eastern rebels ? We see daily of Ukrainian drafted common soldiers making vids of how they were forcibly taken to the fronts at the threat of long jail term and now are forced to fight without much equipment or training and how the dissenters are taken away to destinations unknown but then these units always say "Slava Ukraina" because of course they don't want the sweet bois and gals of Azov to descend on them.

You think there is much left of him to salute? Imagine how much it sucks for him. He came to Ukraine dreaming about stealing a toilet or washing machine, do war crimes ect and then boom. Goes the washing machine

russia only wants the oil/gas rich donbass and eastern Ukraine region.

Rubbish. It dreamed to get all of Ukraine to force the ukrainians under their perverse regime. Goal now is to permanently terrorize there
 
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@DF41 why are laughing on all my posts? Do you find them ridiculous or you agree? What's the deal?
 
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@DF41 why are laughing on all my posts? Do you find them ridiculous or you agree? What's the deal?

I think he agrees with them because he does that with my posts too, here and and in the Ukraine war thread where he posts pro-Russia anti-NATO posts.
 
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I think he agrees with them because he does that with my posts too, here and and in the Ukraine war thread where he posts pro-Russia anti-NATO posts.

I don't like where I am living, how about I just take over half of your house, have the sexual use of your wife and before murdering her and leaving her in a gutter and loot your half of my new house?

Sound fair to you? I mean, that way you wouldn't have to fight me and die.
 
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I don't like where I am living, how about I just take over half of your house, have the sexual use of your wife and before murdering her and leaving her in a gutter and loot your half of my new house?

Sound fair to you? I mean, that way you wouldn't have to fight me and die.

Before believing in nonsense from BBC and co. and everything else like you do in context of Islam and Muslims too read this article's sections about the people you are supporting - the UkroNazis and nationalists. I am not posting a certain photo because of forum rule :

From the Volyn Massacre to 1954

At the end of February 1943, the ‘revolutionary’ wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUP), headed by the current idol of many Ukrainians, Stepan Bandera, decided to create the so-called ‘Ukrainian Insurgent Army’ (UPA) to ‘fight the advancing Red Army’, which was driving the Nazis from the country. But the first detachments that emerged in March and April, of the same year, began to fight not the Soviets, whose troops were still waiting for the Nazis to strike near Kursk, but Polish peasants in territory that had belonged to Warsaw up until 1939. These events, which lasted for more than six months, were called the ‘Volyn Massacre’. UPA detachments and units from the SS Galicia division, which was made up of locals from the eponymous area, killed from 40,000 to 200,000 people, according to various estimates. The Polish Sejm and Senate put the number of victims at approximately 100,000 people, and July 11 is recognized as a ‘National Day of Remembrance of the Victims of the Genocide of Polish Citizens by Ukrainian Nationalists’

The Polish ‘Association of Memory of Victims of Crimes of Ukrainian Nationalists’ (Stowarzyszenie Upamiętnienia Ofiar Zbrodni Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów (SUOZUN)) is engaged in reconstructing the course of events surrounding the Volyn Massacre. The materials collected by SUOZUN reveal shocking details with respect to the cruelty with which Ukrainian nationalists dealt with even babies and pregnant women. Polish researchers have uncovered 135 methods of torture and murder practiced by Ukrainian nationalists. Among them are:

  • Running children through with stakes
  • Cutting a person’s throat and pulling their tongue out through the hole
  • Sawing a person’s torso in half with a carpenter’s saw
  • Cutting open the belly of a woman in an advanced stage of pregnancy, removing the fetus, and replacing it with a live cat, before sewing up her abdomen.
  • Cutting open a pregnant women’s abdomen and pouring in broken glass
  • Nailing a small child to a door.
How Ukraine’s ‘Revolution of Dignity’ led to war, poverty and the rise of the far right
According to Polish historians, it came to the point that even the German butchers, having been shocked by these atrocities, began to protect the Poles from the Ukrainian Sokirniki (from the Ukrainian word sokira, meaning ‘axe’).

All this, including the ingenuity employed in conducting torture and executions, continued after the Nazis had been expelled from Ukraine. Only now the victims of the nationalists were citizens of Soviet Ukraine – specialists like agronomists, engineers, doctors, and teachers who had been sent from the eastern part of the republic to restore western Ukraine after the war. Though the vast majority of these were ethnic Ukrainians, the nationalists killed not only them, but even their own fellow villagers who had cooperated with the Soviets.

These acts were carried out in accordance with instructions given by the head of the UPA and former Wehrmacht hauptman Roman Shukhevich, who is now an idol for many Ukrainians: “The OUN should act so that all those who recognized the Soviet government are destroyed. Not intimidated, but physically destroyed! Do not be afraid that people will curse us for cruelty. Let half of the 40 million Ukrainian population remain – there is nothing terrible in this,” he wrote. (Tchaikovsky A., Nevidoma viina, K., 1994, p. 224). According to the KGB of the USSR, in 1944–1953, the irretrievable losses of the Soviet side were 30,676 people. Among them are 697 employees of state security agencies, 1,864 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 3,199 military personnel, 2,590 fighters of destruction battalions; 2,732 - representatives of authorities, 251 communists, 207 Komsomol workers, 314 - chairmen of collective farms, 15,355 collective farmers and peasants, 676 workers, 1,931 - representatives of the intelligentsia, 860 - children, old people and housewives.

The Ukrainian State and the Nazis

It would be surprising if the Ukrainian nationalists, who were part of the troops operating in the so-called ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’ (ATO) in the east of Ukraine, were to abandon their propensity for violence and stop bullying, torturing, and murdering their enemies, as this is the legacy of the totalitarian ideologies they have inherited from the last century. Andrei Ilyenko, a member of the neo-Nazi Svoboda party who is one of Ukrainian nationalism’s modern ideologists, admits, “Italian fascism, German nationalism, Croatian Ustashism, authentic Ukrainian nationalism, Spanish Falangism, and other integral movements doubtlessly share a single ideological basis.” (Patriot of Ukraine organization, Ukrainian Social Nationalism: a collection of ideological works and program documents, Kharkov – 2007).
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Young participants in a nationalist march marking Stepan Bandera's 109th birthday, in Lviv. © Sputnik / Stringer
And this has not happened. Literally from the first days of the ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’, information began to arrive about atrocities committed by nationalist battalions in the Donbass. After all, in addition to radical nationalists brought up to hate everything Russian, many of the participants were criminals convicted of violent crimes. Usurper Oleksandr Turchynov, who does not hide the fact that he threatened MPs with physical violence if they did not vote for his appointment as acting president, recalled: “I remember one meeting at the front with volunteer units where one of those present, who was covered in tattoos, asked: ‘Boss, will there be amnesty or not? The guys are interested in us there.’ I asked, ‘What do they want with you?’ ‘Well, for stuff like... murder, robbery...’”
The crimes committed by nationalist battalion members went ‘unnoticed’ by the authorities for a long time, but when international human rights organizations began to scream about the most egregious cases, some facts regarding their atrocities finally reached the courts. Several leaders from the nationalist Aidar Battalion were convicted. For example, they created a prison in a sausage shop’s smokehouse and placed prisoners there in unheated cells measuring 80x150 cm, where people had to crouch for several months.
A lot of people got away with serious crimes on the grounds that they were ‘Patriots of Ukraine’, and this was shown to be a government policy in practice. For example, Sergey Sternenko, a nationalist from Maidan’s Right Sector, escaped punishment for protecting drug trafficking and murder on the basis of ‘patriotism’. Though Sternenko was sentenced to a prison term of 7 years and 3 months for abducting a pro-Russian deputy from Odessa named Sergey Shcherbich, his punishment was reduced to one year of probation after just three months. Given this policy, it is not surprising that none of the participants in burning 49 people alive in the Odessa House of Trade Unions on May 2, 2014, have yet been brought to justice.

Criminal cases have been initiated against Ukrainian nationalist Nikolay Kokhanovsky more than once. This ATO participant and OUN battalion commander is also a member of the Azov Regiment, which has been recognized by the US Congress as a neo-Nazi organization. He has been accused of attacking opposition TV channels, Moscow Patriarchate churches, Russian diplomatic missions, and Russian banks, as well as committing an armed assault on a nationalist like himself without a weapons permit. After his supporters smashed up the court, Kokhanovsky was set free.
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Perhaps the most horrific crime committed by Ukrainian nationalists was the creation of a prison in the refrigerator at the airport in Mariupol in June of 2014, which the jailers called the ‘library’. There, Mariupol residents were subjected to beatings, death by torture, and rape for even the suspicion of harboring sympathies for Russia or the unrecognized eastern republics. The ‘library’ was headed by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), whose chief, Valentin Nalivaichenko, was a friend of the leader of the Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh. And Nalivaichenko’s assistant, Yuri Mikhalchishin, a member of the nationalist Svoboda party who goes by the pseudonym ‘Nahtigal88’ (in honor of a sabotage battalion that was part of the Third Reich’s counterintelligence division and the letters ‘NN’ denoting Heil Hitler), was responsible for the ideology of the special service. Mikhalchishin openly asserts that Mein Kampf has been his guidebook since the age of 16. After being dismissed from the SBU, he went to fight as part of the Azov Regiment.
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The ideology of racial superiority has a long criminal history grounded in hate. When its bearers get their hands on power, national pride invariably turns into ruthless violence, and the radicals reveal their willingness to employ bestial cruelty and exterminate ‘outsiders’. The true foundations of their worldview will be seen more than once until this lesson in history is finally learned.

By Olga Sukharevskaya, ex-Ukrainian diplomat
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Before believing in nonsense from BBC and co. and everything else like you do in context of slam and Muslims too read this article's sections about the people you are supporting - the UkroNazis and nationalists. I am not posting a certain photo because of forum rule :


@Foinikas @Apollon


Pushing Russians out of Ukraine is anti colonialism of its purest form.
 
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So my article posting didn't educate you why the Russians are in Ukraine ?

I dont read your bullshit, russians are there for same reason as other empire installed new populations in occupied regions, to destroy local culture and permanently build up a counter power base.
 
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So my article posting didn't educate you why the Russians are in Ukraine ?
He didn't even read it. He's not here to debate. He's here to say talk about how easily Russia is being crushed and then go on a trip to Uganda to show off his money to poor people.
 
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He didn't even read it. He's not here to debate. He's here to say talk about how easily Russia is being crushed and then go on a trip to Uganda to show off his money to poor people.

What happened to the Turks setteled in greece by the Ottomans for same reason russians were settled in Ukraine?

We killed them, massacred them (Tripolitsas) for exactly same reason.
 
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He didn't even read it. He's not here to debate. He's here to say talk about how easily Russia is being crushed and then go on a trip to Uganda to show off his money to poor people.

But what if, as you asked @Apollon two days ago, Europe became so affected by its involvement against Russia that its own living conditions got worse and worse to make him not even afford his trips to the sports venues and to the sports shop he models for ?
 
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