Yeah seems Russia only exports downgraded crap... even Indians are fed up with you guys..
And you think Pakistan's F-16s are not downgraded? Certain systems on the Mig-29 will always be downgraded or removed altogether but in the case of India, India always receives the better versions compared with other countries mostly because the Arabs have a history of defectons and letting westerners inspect their aircraft. In fact India operates some of the most advanced aircraft in the world because they have the option of integrating, French, Israeli, or their own avionics, along with the Russian ones that come with the aircraft all of this is possible through open architecture as well as Russia's willingness to allow it, and of course only privileged countries are sold Israli and French systems. Pakistan was denied French avionics.
Come back to your senses... take a look at Iraq budget and jet inventory at tht time... they could have bought anything they wanted... and so did the yugos or serbs..!
And your point is......?
And AWACs in these wars were never on 24/7 duty... Also at tht encounter after the F-16 shot a mig... 2+ more migs were shot down... unless all of them had crappy avionics/radars!
You are very dishonest and have tendencies of making claims without verification. The E-3
flew 5,052 hours during Desert storm, do the math, the air campaign only lasted about a month. Moreover,
38 of 41 aircraft that were destroyed during Desert Storm were aided with AWACs. Yugoslovia also involved 4,800 flight hours from AWACs. AWACs aircraft detect targets for other aircraft well before those aircraft can themselves detect them. This means that without AWACs Iraqi aircraft could have flew right up to NATO aircraft and fired at them without the NATO aircraft ever knowing that the Iraqis were there. Yet the opposite occurred, AWACs vectored NATO aircraft to the best possible attack position to Stay out of Iraqi radar, in essence in Iraqis didn't know they were being detected.
As for avionics... always been an issue with Russian equipment.. no wonder even Indians tend to replace them with western stuff...
Do some research, many countries have replaced American avionics in their F-16s such as Israel, Japan, and Turkey to an extent.
The Indians replace certain systems because Russia allows it, France and Isreal also allow it. If Russia said no then it wouldn't happen. It makes me wonder, do other countries allow that kind of freedom with their aircraft? Do other countries have the privilege of purchasing from France and Israel? In Pakistan's case it tried to purchase French avionics for the Rafale but was denied.
In any case, if the Indians had F-16s they would try to replace certain systems too just like many other countries have done so with the F-16.
Cool story although R-73s aren't considered "best" .. refer to the ethipian-eretrian war!!
I have read the reports and I suspect you are quoting wekepedia which has
no reference. The reports I have read was that those missiles were fired out of range. We have plenty of evidence of the R-73 hitting its target on the first attempt, such incident include the Georgian UAV that filmed an R-73 destroying it. We have demonstration videos of R-73s hitting drones or other aerial targets on first attempts, ect. Even old R-60s have destroyed many aircraft.
A missile hitting it's target depends on the following:
--Range
--Vector
--Clouds
--Evasive maneuvers
--Counter measures
When the R-73 is within range, it hits it's target with a high degree of accuracy which we have video proof of.
Funny man... lets forget everything... just read the articles abt mig-29 vs f-16s during mock ex[B/] ... again at a disadvantage and inferior...
No let's forget everything and read your forum post about the F-16 vs Mig-29 and take it as a gods sent. Talk is cheap, the guy bags on the Mig-29 yet in mock exercises the Mig-29 handily beats the F-16 even with mechanical flight controls, anolog cockpit and whatever else that guy was crying about which looks that much worse for you and the author of the post.
As much as your source which you
quoted from a forum tries to slam the old Mig-29 and even goes as far as claiming that the F-16 is a more maneuverable platform
the Mig-29 wiped the floor with the F-16. The Germans as well as the Israelis debunked much of the claims in the article. Moreover, even if we take those claims at face value, all of the issues he complained about were fixed long ago, such as pilots interface, mechanical flight controls, ect. At the end of the day, the article was a chest thumping peice written by America strong!!!
Lol.. yeah Burma purchased it.. which already operated them.. and is under sanctions... nice sales pitch...
As for JF-J-10s... new aircrafts...
This is comical, you are bagging on the Mig-29 claiming that it has no sales thus it must be junk. Yet no one has bought any JF-17s or J-10s. The J-10 is also not that new, nor is that a big factor considering the F-35 is still in development but has many countries lined up to buy it. It should also be noted that Mig-29s have recently seen sales to Syria, India, and Russia, go back a number of years earlier and the sales list includes more customers. So how are the JF-17 and J-10 sales working out again?
Yeah sure a crappy RD-33 beats all with its inreliability,its short life/mentainance issues etc...
First you made the claim that the RD-33 is fuel thirsty, when I proved you wrong you change the subject. How many times have you done so already? Too many to remember by now. The RD-33 has also seen many variants and improvements. The WS-13 which is so highly praised and still under development is said to have a life cycle of 2,200 hours while operational RD-33s are lasting
4,000 hours.
and yes it sucks the power outta mig-29 .. which again at disadvantage due to its fuel tanks/design... Again read my posts..
Moron post. The Mig-29 has one of the highest thrust to weight ratios of any aircraft to ever fly. I'm also not sure how a jet engine can "suck the power outta [a] mig-29" Care to elaborate, never mind don't waste my time, it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about. Its also about time you live in the present, you keep quoting or making reference to old Mig-29 variants, if you did some research you would know that
fuel capacity has been increased on Mig-29s.
I might as well start claiming that F-16s have no BVR capability because the earlier variants did not, then again I would never stoop to the levels of using outdated information to further my agenda if I was losing an argument like you are. Notice the pattern, you are ignoring the capabilities of modern Mig-29s and instead bring up ancient Mig-29s.
Me too.. Russian weapons are awesome.. although they tend to fail in combat thanks to nonsense excuses..?
This is rich, the Pakistanis sure did not have a problem using Russian Mig-21s to shoot down Israelis when the Arabs were taking heavy losses using the same aircraft. It just shows how better training makes all the difference. I also fail to see how Mig-29s using older Missiles, having no AWACs, no IFF, inferior pilots, malfunctioning avionics, ect is a nonsense excuse.
Didn't I quote the numbers?
Yes you did, And in the process you proved my point that you were wrong because those numbers were far from the claim of 38 that you made.
While countries tht actually operate mig-29s hate it...
Right, because you say so? Countries that have had problems with Mig-29 were because of age and the cost of upgrading those aircraft and not because they "hate it". The Polish aquired more Mig-29s from the Germans and upgraded them, they plan to keep those Mig-29s operational for a very long time, why because they have the money.
if you consider Israel buying F-16 with aid money and Pakistan receiving donations for free F-16s as well as Egypt then yes they are selling like hot cakes or I should say being donated like hot cakes.
And since when did Pak get those free? did u pay for the 5.6 billion $ for 18 block 52+,weapons,MLU kits etc?
No I did not pay for those F-16s US tax dollars did.[/b]
