potency is a relative term.
First Block 2 JF-17s under construction in Pakistan
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potency is a relative term.
Good observation, and relative to the MKI.. it is NOT impotent.
when MKIs come in package as you talked about earlier. i don't think JF17 stands a chance when BVR is yet to be integrated.
BVR has been integrated long ago. So your thinking is on flawed information.
No AESA radar on the block-2. Currently first production block-2 about to roll out.
as per alan warnes... BVR will be integrated with BLK 2
First Block 2 JF-17s under construction in Pakistan - IHS Jane's 360
As per chief Project engineer, its already done. Who would you rather trust?
JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5] | Page 180
JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5] | Page 180
That talks about glide bombs and not bvr.
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BVR is old news on JF-17. Very old i may add.
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JF -17 is 4 th gen jet ... not 3rd gen jet.. it is cost effective fighter... that doesn't mean It is defenceless. .. Indian doctrine is different to Pak. ... don't under estimate your foe like some fan boys under estimating mki capabilities because of RCS ..
Interesting interview.
few observations
1. In- flight refueling from 1L 76 has been done on JF-17
2. Pakistan is actively marketing JF-17
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agreed bro ...
you gave a good answer to Indian ....
SU30 Mki is better then JF-17 .... but size always matter ... SU30 MKi is more bigger then our PAK fighter jets and we can detect Su30 Mki easily from JF-17 thunder and not only detect infect we can shut down Su 30Mki ... don't forget Pakistan air force fighter abilities,
JFT RCS is 3 times lesser then SU 30 Mki ... and rest work will be done from our fighters... PAF zindabad ...
JFT is the best jet and after block 3 or 4 JFT will be monster jet and real thread for 4.5 or 4.75 fighter jets.
BVR scenario is a very complex one.. Its not like JFT with small rcs finds large rcs MKI and shoot down..
There are many points to note down..
The effective range of a bvr missile is 1/5 th of range stated( this stated range is only an optimal range at most desired envionment).. Example: effective range of AMRAAM is only 20-25km..
The main aim of todays bvr missiles are not range but maximum NEZ( Non escape zone).. Targeted fighter planes can easily overrun( turn 180deg and run) a bvr missile if they finds it outside NEZ cone.. NEZ of all present bvr missiles are within 10 km only.. Example: NEZ of AMRAAM is only 5-8 km..
If the targeted plane is inside the NEZ, still PK ( Probability of kill) is very low as Jets can easily out maneuver a bvr missile.. For example:. AIM-120 travels at Mach 4, and can pull 30 g within its NEZ, yet it would need 768 Gs to reliably hit a modern fighter which is maneuvering at corner speed of Mach 0,5, or 237 Gs if target is still at standard cruise speed of Mach 0,9, giving Pk between 3% and 13%; this fits perfectly with 8% Pk demonstrated against (mostly) maneuvering aircraft without ECM to date. If fighter is maneuvering at corner speed, but is still limited to 9 g by FCS (is not in override), BVR missile Pk is only 5.2%.
Now take the real achievement of aim 120.. 46% pk.. Looks better but all targets are within 20km, no connection to ECM or maneuvering. That is actually out of 46%, there is 93% for chance of miss. Thus BVR missile Pk against aware, maneuvering opponent using modern ECM suite is around 3%..
Bvr capability comparison with respect to RCS makes no sense because of the limits of bvr missiles.... Actually F15 ,SU27 ,F22 are actual bvr fighters.. For better bvr capability..
1. MKI has better radar..
2. Better ECM and IRCM..
3. More maneuverable( thrust vectored)
4. More speed, more missiles, more range
Etc.. Etc..
JFT and MKI are not comparable at all in bvr scenario..
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Which is what I'm trying to say. It is not as capable as the F-16, but it wasn't meant to be, it was meant as a cost effective fighter, with most of the capabilities that the F-16 has. It was meant to be sanction free, cost effective, and most of all, it was meant to replace PAF's entire aging fleet, and form the backbone of the PAF.
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Wonderful picture from perfect angle captures the magnificence of the bird
The fuel tanker below I wish they could have opted for more modern style setup
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