Russia Detains 300 Muslims During Prayer

[DV RULES]

lol) is one of the reasons))

reason less than any strong reason indeed.

 

[Safriz]

Enough with this BS, don't present yourself as total ignorant from the facts. You are only dramatizing when reality far away from you are thinking so it's up to you continue to live in illusions.

I avoid patronizing people and like a well worded argument backed with facts or at least arguments...
But since you are not doing that...i will try to speak in your lingo..

How old are you kid? You sound like a spotty teen who knows jack...

 

[DV RULES]

So, long story short, there is no specific charge or evidence against anyone detained.

The FSB has given no reason and will "check for extremist content".
Uh huh.

As long as they utter the magic words "national security", "terrorism", or "Islamist", they can round up pretty much anyone they want. Of course, these people are Muslims, so no one's going to lose sleep over it.

The authorities in the West also battle terrorism but, when they detain someone, they provide a charge sheet.

You are fighting or going against the people who has no sense of law, respect, understanding of society and peace so same case we have in Pakistan and till we didn't adopt strict actions you can't save your society from any incident.

That's fact that in Pakistan there is no practice of arrests on "national security"and "terrorism" and you see who is barking freely against Pakistan even from your legislation assembly and outside it and you are powerless to touch them. Learn and adopt so there will be hope for the best.

 

[Developereo]

You are fighting or going against the people who has no sense of law, respect, understanding of society and peace so same case we have in Pakistan and till we didn't adopt strict actions you can't save your society from any incident.

That's fact that in Pakistan there is no practice of arrests on "national security"and "terrorism" and you see who is barking freely against Pakistan even from your legislation assembly and outside it and you are powerless to touch them. Learn and adopt so there will be hope for the best.

Criminals, by definition, have no respect for the law.

If these people are guilty then, by all means, fry them, but due process should be followed.

The US scoffs at due process in Pakistan (drone strikes) but, on US soil, the authorities would never get away with such behavior.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Criminals, by definition, have no respect for the law.

If these people are guilty then, by all means, fry them, but due process should be followed.

The US scoffs at due process in Pakistan (drone strikes) but, on US soil, the authorities would never get away with such behavior.

Sir, we do not follow our own due process and we do not respect our own laws, do we? Why then would others?

So what does that makes us by your definition? Is it any surprise then how we are treated?

 

[Developereo]

Sir, we do not follow our own due process and we do not respect our own laws, do we? Why then would others?

So what does that makes us by your definition? Is it any surprise then how we are treated?

Let's leave the subject of Pakistan since it will quickly derail the thread. Pakistan is hardly the paragon of human rights.

The point was that the due process is (mostly) respected by Western governments. Russia must also have some official rules of due process, whether they are actually followed or not.

 

[Vinod2070]

The stated goal of ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) is to create an Islamic state called East Turkestan, which they want to carve out of Xinjiang.

It is a mixture of Islamic extremism and ethnic separatism.

Needless to say, we will hunt these extremists down until there is nothing left of them.

Oh man. That is quite powerful message.

Perhaps the only language they understand though.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Let's leave the subject of Pakistan since it will quickly derail the thread. Pakistan is hardly the paragon of human rights.

The point was that the due process is (mostly) respected by Western governments. Russia must also have some official rules of due process, whether they are actually followed or not.

Sure thing Sir.

Russia is not a paragon of human rights either, and a due process that is not followed is as good as non-existent.

 

[Vinod2070]

Yes. Western countries have something called due process.

Even in terror cases, there is a charge sheet and a person is told what they are accused of.

Even that can change when many lives are on the line.

Khalid Shekh was counting on the "due process" and he had only contempt for it.

Not for the "enhanced interrogation" techniques however.

When KSM was captured in March 2003, he refused to answer questions, informing his captors: "I'll tell you everything when I get to New York and see my lawyer." But the Bush administration did not send KSM to New York. Instead, he was sent to a CIA "black site," where he was questioned, not for evidence in a criminal trial but for intelligence about future terrorist attacks. When asked about his plans, he told the CIA, "Soon, you will know." And he declared that Americans were weak, lacked resilience, and were unable to do what is necessary to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.

But after undergoing "enhanced interrogation techniques" — including waterboarding — KSM became prolific. According to declassified documents, he provided information that led to the capture of a cell of Southeast Asian terrorists KSM had tasked to hijack a plane and fly it into the tallest skyscraper in Los Angeles. He provided information that led to the capture of Ammar al-Baluchi and Walid bin Attash, just as they were completing plans to blow up the U.S. consulate and Western residences in Karachi, Pakistan. He provided information that helped lead to the arrest of Sayfullah Paracha and his son Uzair Paracha, two businessmen with whom KSM was plotting to smuggle explosives into the USA. He provided information that helped break up an al-Qaeda cell that was developing anthrax for terrorist attacks inside the U.S.


In addition, KSM explained al-Qaeda's operating structure, financing, communications and logistics. He described the traits and profiles that al-Qaeda sought in Western operatives, how al-Qaeda might select targets, what probable targets were and the likely methods of attack. He gave U.S. officials a picture of the terrorist organization as seen from the inside, at a time when we knew almost nothing about the enemy that had hit us on 9/11.

In other words, the delay in KSM's prosecution, and that of other CIA detainees, saved lives.

Not necessarily related to the current case but all governments will be forced to depart from the normal due process in certain cases.

 

[Developereo]

Even that can change when many lives are on the line.

Yes. As I indicated above, magic words like "national security" and "imminent threat" can be used to temporarily suspend due process.

However, the actions usually need to be justified to a judge, even though the details may not be made public. As long as faith in the justice system remains, people will accept temporary transgressions.

 

[Vinod2070]

Yes. As I indicated above, magic words like "national security" and "imminent threat" can be used to temporarily suspend due process.

However, the actions usually need to be justified to a judge, even though the details may not be made public. As long as faith in the justice system remains, people will accept temporary transgressions.

Yes these words can be used (and are used) by the authorities, many times for spurious objectives, it may not be always the case.

I believe there are many genuine situations where these are not just "magic words".

You can't have the LEAs acting with both hands tied behind their backs while dealing with people with no qualms about anything. The due process may work under most situations but not all.

 

[muse]

can be done...has been done in the past....But drones wont let us...
Once the drones are gone and strict Afpak border scrutiny is enforced,the war can be over in less than an year...

Yet another another admin member convinced that Talib are the good guys -- yet ask him if the BLA should be negotiated with - but then only the "real" Muslims are the good guys, at least as far as this forum's leadership concerned

 

[ptldM3]

So, long story short, there is no specific charge or evidence against anyone detained.

And who said that? If the FSB comes knocking you probably did something wrong.


This is an active investigation, you are not entitled to information, just because the FSB did not call you personally and explain charges of those detained does not mean that those people are not guilty; furthermore, the act of detention is normal in almost all countries. Individuals can be detained for questioning, which means they are not under arrest but merely asked to cooperate with authorities.

The FSB has given no reason and will "check for extremist content".
Uh huh.

You want an intelligence agency to divulge how they obtain there information during an active investigation? They could have gathered intel many different ways including from informants or undercover agents, so you think the FSB should blow the cover of agents/informants just to make you happy?

As long as they utter the magic words "national security", "terrorism", or "Islamist", they can round up pretty much anyone they want. Of course, these people are Muslims, so no one's going to lose sleep over it.

All those innocent victims being rounded up by FSB happen to always get into shootout and possess illegal weapons

The authorities in the West also battle terrorism but, when they detain someone, they provide a charge sheet.

You are making things up, study the laws, when someone is detained they are not always charged. Someone can be detained for questioning but it does not mean that they are charged with anything.

Even in some western countries police officers can detain individuals for questioning even if they are handcuffed and placed in the back of a police vehicle.

 

[notorious_eagle]

There House, There Rules. Don't Like It, Move.

 

[Hashshāshīn]

There House, There Rules. Don't Like It, Move.

You do know that there are ethnic Russians who are Muslim?