RSS is Indian edition of IS, says Kodiyeri

[The_Showstopper]

Not really...that's just how it is defined & interpreted by anyone who is not biased & blinded.

Apne mooh miya mitthoo

Not at all.. I was just trying to make a point to prove how absurd your argument sounds when you try & make it as if only one group of people suffered while other side escaped completely unhurt.

When did I claim that the other side did not suffer, but the sufferings of muslims were of much greater proportion than the other side...

Oh OK..so just 'cause number 790 is bigger than the number 254, it absolves one group of people of all sins 'cause they suffered more casualties? Do you know how absurd that sounds? So according to you killing is OK as long as it's done in a particular way?

Did I ever claim that? No I didn't but why are you trying to put the blame aka "sins" on those who suffered more casualties? I hope you get to see the absurdity in your above statement.

Of course I'm going to doubt the credibility of your source if your source if affiliated to a particular political party or aligned to a particular political ideology, with plenty of reason to be biased.

I am sure you will either way discredit every source I post even the rulings of the honorable courts as I've seen Sanghis even lambasting Supreme Court for the recent rulings.

Score! Now let's is which one looks more like ethnic cleansing & genocide.
790 of 14.2% community vs 254 OR 2800 of 1.7% community vs 11
Now I'll let you decide...

Do you not read what I write before answering?

I clearly stated in my #53

"Indeed a complete of helpless people killed by marauding majority.... And what makes you think that Sikhs did not retaliate? The below is one such retaliation...

11 HINDUS KILLED IN PUNJAB UNREST - NYTimes.com"

And I can post many such instances...

Anyways Why do you have to compare 2002 and '84? Is it to make the crimes committed in 2002 look like very minute? Just because lesser people died does not mean that 2002 was any lesser crime. It was systematic and well thought out plan to cleanse muslims off Gujarat... And the below poster of VHP/Bajrang Dal proves my point..

True. Your perception is a fact.

Well its the perception of 69% of Indians... Sad for you

You are talking to an Indian Islamist.
He himself had posted that he does not hate India per se but is allergic to Hinduism.

Good to see you are finally unleashing the Babu Bajrangi within you...

So what your point is just because Extent of reaction Hindus was on high scale which was obvious as it was hindu majority state the

Extent of reaction? Are you trying to justify the happenings of 2002?

157 riots that was initiated by Minority Post Godhra is justified

Really... Any source to prove that?

What sick mindset by saying this your loosing support from guys who neutral.

Are you telling me that you are neutral? No I don't think that you are.. In the very same post you go on to blame muslim community for all the ills and then claim you are neutral. How funny can this be?

You point's are bluntly self-centered for particular community and in support of the argument of Eye for an eye.you are not different from Guys who justify Babri mosque destruction by saying it was build on destroyed ruins of Temple or One who justify Gujarat riots in the shade of Godhra train burning

Just show me a post of mine where I justified the killings of innocents? And please do reply to this post since I want to know your opinion.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Apne mooh miya mitthoo

Not really..anyone with a bit of common sense would easily know the difference between religious riots & ethnic cleansing...& the fact that Islam in India is not an ethnicity but second largest religion belonging to Indian ethnic groups. So next time when you choose a glorious word to glorify your argument, please understand the meaning of that word beforehand.

When did I claim that the other side did not suffer, but the sufferings of muslims were of much greater proportion than the other side...

In any religious riot one side always suffers more than the other... & you don't casually go on branding the event as per your convenience. Name one religious riot anywhere in the world where you had equal number of casualties at both ends.

Did I ever claim that? No I didn't but why are you trying to put the blame aka "sins" on those who suffered more casualties? I hope you get to see the absurdity in your above statement.

Please revisit your quotes & see who was trying to put the blame on whom & who is trying to play victim all this while in the garb of suffering more casualties & manner in which one side suffered. Can you see who actually sounds absurd & pathetic?

I am sure you will either way discredit every source I post even the rulings of the honorable courts as I've seen Sanghis even lambasting Supreme Court for the recent rulings.


Do you not read what I write before answering?

I clearly stated in my #53

"Indeed a complete of helpless people killed by marauding majority.... And what makes you think that Sikhs did not retaliate? The below is one such retaliation...

11 HINDUS KILLED IN PUNJAB UNREST - NYTimes.com"

And I can post many such instances...

As I said before I can quote ten times the amount of links contradicting the points raised in your links & sources...& you know that very well. Relying on random internet blogs by those who always had an axe to grind will always lack credibility.

Anyways Why do you have to compare 2002 and '84? Is it to make the crimes committed in 2002 look like very minute? Just because lesser people died does not mean that 2002 was any lesser crime.

Not at all..just wanted to expose your bias & show you the deference between a riot & a cleansing.
Where did I claim Guajarat riot was any less of an unfortunate incident compared any any other? My whole argument is limited to a specific point raised in your previous post where you tried to glorify by calling it ethnic cleansing. Nowhere in my posts I have ever tried to undermine the losses suffered by any one side or tried to claim one side is more Justified than the other.

It was systematic and well thought out plan to cleanse muslims off Gujarat... And the below poster of VHP/Bajrang Dal proves my point..
View attachment 267499

Oh yes...It's very clever of them to publicly display their clandestine plan beforehand. I believe in your proof. Afterall you would know more about poster chipkawing than the most here.

 

[Soumitra]

So tell me "who fired the first shot"?

The muslims who burned 59 innocent men women and children in sabarmati express coach s6 fired the first shot

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hindus are idiots. Even publish a post like this in public. They even spelt 'Religion' wrong.

 

[egodoc222]

Kodiyeri?!

 

[vsdave2302]

RSS is Indian edition of IS, says Kodiyeri


The RSS is the Indian edition of the Islamic State (IS), Kodiyeri Balakrishnan, State secretary of the Communist Party of India (Marxist), has said.

Addressing an election campaign here on Friday, Mr. Balakrishnan said the BJP-led NDA government had made the country a hell during its 17 months reign. While the BJP was threatening that all the people who eat beef would be killed, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was roaming around the world for promoting investment in the country. Who would invest their hard-earned money in a country like India where the people would not be allowed to eat their favourite foods, he asked.

The BJP was not representing the interest of the Hindu community as 70 per cent of Hindus in the country were consuming non-vegetarian foods such as meat, he said

People belonging to Scheduled Tribes and Communities were seemed to be a burden for the BJP which protect the vested interest of the upper class in the country, Mr. Balakrishnan said.


RSS is Indian edition of IS, says Kodiyeri - The Hindu

Had RSS been the Indian version of IS, than Mr Kodiyeri would not be able to say that. Had he said that, he would not have remained alive. Infact, these pseudo seculars have no guts to say a spade a spade. When their hidden desire of criticizing the terror awakes, they find out soft target against whom they can bluff without risk. since they know that they will not issue a fatwa against them. Their desire to display the bravery by speaking against imaginary fundamentalist elements. If they speak same against the congress, next minute the congress goon shall start attacking it. Congress goons have attacked RSS shakhas and BJP offices many time in past.

He said the absolute truth but I would add that RSS is worse than ISIS because in Syria it is a war situation and that is why atrocities and killings are higher but in India it is a peace time but RSS terrorists are destroying the peace and converting it into hell

In India peace is all around You need urgent psychiatric treatment and need remain absent in Madrasa meeting.

 

[haviZsultan]

The muslims who burned 59 innocent men women and children in sabarmati express coach s6 fired the first shot

That is still unproven...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That is still unproven...

Wrong.

It was not a random attack on S-6 but kar sevaks were targeted, says judge - The Hindu

 

[haviZsultan]

Wrong.

It was not a random attack on S-6 but kar sevaks were targeted, says judge - The Hindu

In my eyes it was just an excuse to massacre muslims. Possibly it did not even occur.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

In my eyes it was just an excuse to massacre muslims. Possibly it did not even occur.

I agree with you. S-6 never even existed.

Thank you Jinnah.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Not really..anyone with a bit of common sense would easily know the difference between religious riots & ethnic cleansing...& the fact that Islam in India is not an ethnicity but second largest religion belonging to Indian ethnic groups. So next time when you choose a glorious word to glorify your argument, please understand the meaning of that word beforehand.

LOL hiding behind technicalities... Are we? Ok it can't be termed as "ethnic" cleansing as an exact term but yes definitely as cleansing of people belonging to a particular religion... And many do agree to that fact...

"There is by now a broad consensus that the Gujarat violence was a form of ethnic cleansing, that in many ways it was premeditated, and that it was carried out with the complicity of the state government and officers of the law."

Source: Nussbaum 2008, p. 50-51

In any religious riot one side always suffers more than the other... & you don't casually go on branding the event as per your convenience. Name one religious riot anywhere in the world where you had equal number of casualties at both ends.

And happens to the people who are in minority in that particular area/region and here muslims were in minority and hence suffered more..

Please revisit your quotes & see who was trying to put the blame on whom & who is trying to play victim all this while in the garb of suffering more casualties & manner in which one side suffered. Can you see who actually sounds absurd & pathetic?

Absurdity? What is so absurd about my statement? Please don't use adjectives just because you were unable to put across your point...

As I said before I can quote ten times the amount of links contradicting the points raised in your links & sources...& you know that very well. Relying on random internet blogs by those who always had an axe to grind will always lack credibility.

I haven't posted any blogs yet. I just posted a news report and stated that I can post many like them. And do you want to counter them with blogs?

Not at all..just wanted to expose your bias & show you the deference between a riot & a cleansing.

Really? So what bias have you exposed? Just because you claimed so does not mean you exposed something. I stand by my word that it was definitely cleansing and not just a riot and I can support it with credible sources...

Where did I claim Guajarat riot was any less of an unfortunate incident compared any any other?

If that was not case, then why were you so intent on comparing the number of deaths in both the cases?

My whole argument is limited to a specific point raised in your previous post where you tried to glorify by calling it ethnic cleansing

It was indeed cleansing, I know you would want to deny that in every possible manner but facts can't be twisted.

Nowhere in my posts I have ever tried to undermine the losses suffered by any one side or tried to claim one side is more Justified than the other.

OK here it is... What was the score all about?

Score! Now let's is which one looks more like ethnic cleansing & genocide.
790 of 14.2% community vs 254 OR 2800 of 1.7% community vs 11
Now I'll let you decide...

Oh yes...It's very clever of them to publicly display their clandestine plan beforehand. I believe in your proof.

Oh Yes, not everyone's clever like @SarthakGanguly, Poor chaps they blunt out at every given opportunity like those I posted below...

Afterall you would know more about poster chipkawing than the most here.

Someone seems to be in real pain because of my cartoon posts. Chalo kuch toh fayda huva. See they do generate interest..

Hindus are idiots. Even publish a post like this in public. They even spelt 'Religion' wrong.

LOL Our PDF'S Babu Bajrangi in his anxiety forgets that the post clearly mentioned "A TRANSLATION of Gujarati letter" and waves his victory flag

The muslims who burned 59 innocent men women and children in sabarmati express coach s6 fired the first shot

Thanks for sprouting out your Mann ki Baat. Anyways let's go your way, if muslims started it by burning 59 people then going by your logic I must say that Karsevak goons started it by brawling with people at the station as stated by Hindu bystanders...

 

[Soumitra]

Thanks for sprouting out your Mann ki Baat. Anyways let's go your way, if muslims started it by burning 59 people then going by your logic I must say that Karsevak goons started it by brawling with people at the station as stated by Hindu bystanders..

OK let us say a few people brawl at a tea seller and within 2-3 minutes hundreds of Muslims gather and burn an entire coach. It is not a big junction where the train will stop for 15-20 minutes. So these people went home got petrol and rags and other stuff and burnt the coach just after a fight with a tea seller.

Ypou are so dillusioned that you will never answer the simple question "Aag kisne lagayi?"

 

[JanjaWeed]

LOL hiding behind technicalities... Are we? Ok it can't be termed as "ethnic" cleansing as an exact term but yes definitely as cleansing of people belonging to a particular religion... And many do agree to that fact...

Don't dig it while you are still in it. You still struggling to understand the difference between ethnicity & religion? Take your time..you'll get there eventually.

"There is by now a broad consensus that the Gujarat violence was a form of ethnic cleansing, that in many ways it was premeditated, and that it was carried out with the complicity of the state government and officers of the law."

Source: Nussbaum 2008, p. 50-51

From ethnic cleansing to form of ethnic clensing? Soon you'll derive it further down to subspecies of ethnic clensing!

And happens to the people who are in minority in that particular area/region and here muslims were in minority and hence suffered more..

Again you are playing victim & trying to push entire blame on to one side by hiding behind the burka of being minority. Well it takes two to tango. Both sides are responsible for their actions. If one lost more than other, it's just the nature of the game & one should have been aware of the consequences before igniting the fire & taking part in the dirty deed.

Absurdity? What is so absurd about my statement? Please don't use adjectives just because you were unable to put across your point...

Give me a better word to describe your pathetic statements like
"People get killed in violence on the both the sides but it is more important to note who suffered the most and how they were targeted ..."
By making such statements you are trying to absolve one side of their sins just 'cause they suffered the most & the manner in which. Death is death...it's cruel in whichever way it comes.

I haven't posted any blogs yet. I just posted a news report and stated that I can post many like them. And do you want to counter them with blogs?

Feeble argument. You can post hundreds of them...& you know pretty well that every article of your's can be countered with an opposing one!

Really? So what bias have you exposed? Just because you claimed so does not mean you exposed something. I stand by my word that it was definitely cleansing and not just a riot and I can support it with credible sources...

You can keep crying till the cows come home & give whichever fancy phrases you want to give. But it will still go down in the history as a religious riot like many before that.

If that was not case, then why were you so intent on comparing the number of deaths in both the cases?

To expose your bias & show you what cleansing actually means. You still failed answer as to which one looks more like cleansing according to your own definition...not mine. Why are you shying away?

It was indeed cleansing, I know you would want to deny that in every possible manner but facts can't be twisted.

As I said you can give any names you like...but it will go down in the history as riot like many other in the past.

OK here it is... What was the score all about?

What about it? Compare numbers of victims in each side & chose a appropriate phrase. Have you decided what to call the '84 one yet? Or that just don't count?

Someone seems to be in real pain because of my cartoon posts. Chalo kuch toh fayda huva. See they do generate interest..

Don't flatter yourself. Carry on... I will never grudge your day job!

 

[takeiteasy]

Many common Hindus may have been conditioned in Western and Northern India to believe that electing BJP(RSS) is a religious duty. They are narrow in their mental abilities and bigotry is part and parcel of their society. They never learned to tolerate or even understand the diversity of this country; instead tried to claim Hindutva to unite Hindus and impose North India's culture, language and customs to the rest of India. In reality, RSS and such organizations are supporters of caste system to avoid pollution of inter-breeding with other backward castes/tribes, SC/ST's to recreate a Brahmanic society. The anomaly here is, the dalits, backwards are used as the foot soldiers for this cause by RSS.

The way these people tries to impose their culture into rest of India is an example. Recently, the beef ban demand from Northern-Indian Hindu terrorists are an example. They don't care for rest of the world, let alone rest of India!
Make no mistake, the North Indian Hindu is the same as a North Indian Muslim in bigotry, religious observance and intolerance (Generalization - but remarkably true as it really is). Other prosperous provinces especially in south are going to be in trouble by their 17th century society full of bigotry and ancient beliefs. No wonder, rigid caste system, Sati all can be seen re-instated by these Upper caste radical organization.

 

[vayuputhra]

Who is this kodiyeri I have never heard of him, look a naxallite is preaching non violence, let him tell the nation how many people have the communists killed, they have the blood of innocent people and our security personnel, people who said that MAO was their PM and they did not recognise India as a independent country speaks this, it is like a poisonous snake is complaining about the snake charmer, as the snake charmer has defanged the snake, communist party and its militant outfits are Indian boko haram.

Many common Hindus may have been conditioned in Western and Northern India to believe that electing BJP(RSS) is a religious duty. They are narrow in their mental abilities and bigotry is part and parcel of their society. They never learned to tolerate or even understand the diversity of this country; instead tried to claim Hindutva to unite Hindus and impose North India's culture, language and customs to the rest of India. In reality, RSS and such organizations are supporters of caste system to avoid pollution of inter-breeding with other backward castes/tribes, SC/ST's to recreate a Brahmanic society. The anomaly here is, the dalits, backwards are used as the foot soldiers for this cause by RSS.

The way these people tries to impose their culture into rest of India is an example. Recently, the beef ban demand from Northern-Indian Hindu terrorists are an example. They don't care for rest of the world, let alone rest of India!
Make no mistake, the North Indian Hindu is the same as a North Indian Muslim in bigotry, religious observance and intolerance (Generalization - but remarkably true as it really is). Other prosperous provinces especially in south are going to be in trouble by their 17th century society full of bigotry and ancient beliefs. No wonder, rigid caste system, Sati all can be seen re-instated by these Upper caste radical organization.

These labradors are cute man, better to have loyal dogs, who are our best friends rather than patronising poisonous snakes, you are saying that Hindus live only in north India and southern Hindus don't care about our Hindu brothers &sisters elsewhere, maybe you have not heard about shankaracharya a keralian who revived Hinduism in north India, it was NTR who for the first time spoke about ram rajya, and he even rode a chariot dressed as lord RAM, all over andhra, where he was worshipped at every village, as for caste system, RSS and BJP has largest number of SC &ST in its ranks, and today's Hindus don't discriminate on caste, as for keralites eating beef they eat bafellow meat, in my child hood I have seen my grand father slaughtering 14 bafellows (pothu)for pleasing gangamma and durga, on the even of filling of the lake,( yeri) (cheruvu)(kere) as it is banned now we don't see it often. We the southern hindus have fought the foreign invasion of Muslims for millianias, so don't ever have an illusion,