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So these people went home got petrol and rags and other stuff and burnt the coach just after a fight with a tea seller.
Now the story of petrol is substantiated by just a guy who claimed to transport the petrol for the conspirators. So the theory is still questionable. And the court decided to prosecute based on that evidence.

Ypou are so dillusioned that you will never answer the simple question "Aag kisne lagayi?"
I have already mentioned many times that those responsible should be punished(Which has already happened). Now since you are into d!ck measuring contest of who started this, I just informed you who started it... Now marking in bold red doesn't change facts...
 
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Don't dig it while you are still in it. You still struggling to understand the difference between ethnicity & religion? Take your time..you'll get there eventually.:lol:
I do understand the difference between ethnicity and religion. Many you should revisit my post or you are just acting plain ignorant.

From ethnic cleansing to form of ethnic clensing? Soon you'll derive it further down to subspecies of ethnic clensing! :lol:
Oh wow you won the day by nitpicking..:victory: good carry on:toast_sign:

Again you are playing victim & trying to push entire blame on to one side by hiding behind the burka of being minority. Well it takes two to tango. Both sides are responsible for their actions. If one lost more than other, it's just the nature of the game & one should have been aware of the consequences before igniting the fire & taking part in the dirty deed.
So the famous action-reaction theory, I am not/never blaming/blamed the innocent Hindus who died during this and just mentioned that there were targeted killings of a certain group and they definitely are/were victims..

Give me a better word to describe your pathetic statements like
"People get killed in violence on the both the sides but it is more important to note who suffered the most and how they were targeted ..."
What's so pathetic about the statement? People do get killed in violence, Is it not fact?

Second, people who suffered most do need more help and importance. Didn't Germans die during WW2(Some did die in reprisal attacks by Jews, but does that mean Jews didn't suffer the most? Does the world not give more importance to Jewish sufferings than German deaths?)

By making such statements you are trying to absolve one side of their sins just 'cause they suffered the most & the manner in which. Death is death...it's cruel in whichever way it comes.
So who are you trying to pin the blame? The victims of Naroda Patiya or of other such massacres?

Feeble argument. You can post hundreds of them...& you know pretty well that every article of your's can be countered with an opposing one!
Please go ahead and post. I am all for it,..

You can keep crying till the cows come home & give whichever fancy phrases you want to give. But it will still go down in the history as a religious riot like many before that.
Yeah may be in Sanghi history where Taj Mahal becomes Tejo Mahaalay and :blah::blah:

But real history will remember it as a genocide aimed at cleansing...

To expose your bias & show you what cleansing actually means. You still failed answer as to which one looks more like cleansing according to your own definition...not mine. Why are you shying away? What about it? Compare numbers of victims in each side & chose a appropriate phrase. Have you decided what to call the '84 one yet? Or that just don't count?
Where am I shying away? Anyways since you are so intent on projecting numbers to have your say... Let's make you understand(I know its tough but I will give a try) your way...

At least 330,000 Serbs, 30,000 Jews and 30,000 Roma were killed during the NDH and is termed as ethnic cleansing.

Source: Jasenovac

The killings of Uzbeks during the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan riots is also termed as ethnic cleansing even though the official death toll stands at 179.

Source: Kyrgyzstan riots led to ethnic cleansing; government blames Bakiyev - CSMonitor.com

So the difference between the number of casualties does not change the over all definition...

As I said you can give any names you like...but it will go down in the history as riot like many other in the past.
And as I said you can make it vanish from your Sanghi history but it shall remain in the world history forever whether you like it or not...

Don't flatter yourself. :lol: Carry on... I will never grudge your day job! :D
Yet you go on to notice it... What an irony:lol:
 
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I do understand the difference between ethnicity and religion. Many you should revisit my post or you are just acting plain ignorant.
Not at all... You still seems to be over obsessed with the word. Did you recently come across this term?
Oh wow you won the day by nitpicking..:victory: good carry on:toast_sign:
Na...just wanted to remind you how well you are progressing in this little tutorial session:lol:


So the famous action-reaction theory, I am not blaming the innocents Hindus who died during this and just mentioned that there were targeted killings of a certain group and they definitely are/were victims..


What's so pathetic about the statement? People do get killed in violence, Is it not fact?
No-one is condoning the deaths of innocents from any sides. Go & revisit your previous posts & you'll realise how desperately you were trying draw distinction between unfortunate losses suffered by two sides. You'll know what I'm talking about.

Second, people who suffered most do need more help and importance. Didn't Germans die during WW2(Some did die in reprisal attacks by Jews, but does that mean Jews didn't suffered the most? Does the world not give more importance to Jewish sufferings than German deaths?)
Apples & oranges. I suggest you do a bit of research on holocaust before trying to insert that piece of history into this Gujarat riots argument.


So who are you trying to pin the blame? The victims of Naroda Patiya or of other such massacres?
I blame both sides equally..don't make any distinctions based on religious bias unlike you. As I said earlier my argument is limited to a precise point where you tried to glorify by calling it ethnic cleansing.

Please go ahead and post. I am all for it,..


Yeah may be in Sanghi history where Taj Mahal becomes Tejo Mahaalay and :blah::blah:

But real history will remember it as a genocide aimed at cleansing...
What real history? One that they teach you Madrasa? :lol: Was wondering where you learn all this weird stuff like Islam being a ethnicity in India & all that kind of funny stuff. :lol:


Where am I shying away? Anyways since you are so intent on projecting numbers to have your say... Let's make you understand(I know its tough but I will give a try) your way...

At least 330,000 Serbs, 30,000 Jews and 30,000 Roma were killed during the NDH and is termed as ethnic cleansing.

Source: Jasenovac

The killings of Uzbeks during the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan riots is also termed as ethnic cleansing even though the official death toll stands at 179.

Source: Kyrgyzstan riots led to ethnic cleansing; government blames Bakiyev - CSMonitor.com

So the difference between the number of casualties does not change the over all definition...


And as I said you can make it vanish from your Sanghi history but it shall remain in the world history forever whether you like it or not...
Thought you'll lock yourself in knots by trying to answer that one...& you did exactly the same. Apples & oranges. Your obsession with the new found word making you to draw parallel between religious riots which took place in India with that of the one between different ethnicities around the world.

Yet you go on to notice it... What an irony:lol:
Only trying to help you to keep it going! As I said earlier won't grudge your job!:D
 
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Not at all... You still seems to be over obsessed with the word. Did you recently come across this term?
People get to learn a lot many things on a daily basis. Are you implying that people get obsessed with every new thing they come across? I shouldn't be shocked to hear what you just uttered as this is what is taught in Shakha I guess:coffee:

Na...just wanted to remind you how well you are progressing in this little tutorial session:lol:
Oh thanks for your concern, I know it is real "hard work" to reach the competency of a Shakha Graduate... So cheers to you:cheers:

No-one is condoning the deaths of innocents from any sides. Go & revisit your previous posts & you'll realise how desperately you were trying draw distinction between unfortunate losses suffered by two sides. You'll know what I'm talking about.
I asked you what was pathetic about my statement and you come up with a robotic standard reply...

Apples & oranges. I suggest you do a bit of research on holocaust before trying to insert that piece of history into this Gujarat riots argument.
Apple and Oranges? Please explain why is it so?

I blame both sides equally..don't make any distinctions based on religious bias unlike you. As I said earlier my argument is limited to a precise point where you tried to glorify by calling it ethnic cleansing.
Blame whom? The innocents victims of both sides? I simply stated the fact that there were targeted killings of a particular group who happened to suffer the most.

What real history? One that they teach you Madrasa? :lol: Was wondering where you learn all this weird stuff like Islam being a ethnicity in India & all that kind of funny stuff. :lol:
I must admit that I accidentally visited a Shakha where they happened to teach all the funny stuff as to how Taj Mahal was Tejo Mahalay, how Kaaba was a Shiva temple, how Christianity is "Krishna-neeti" et-cetra et-cetra...;)

Thought you'll lock yourself in knots by trying to answer that one...& you did exactly the same. Apples & oranges. Your obsession with the new found word making you to draw parallel between religious riots which took place in India with that of the one between different ethnicities around the world.
Not sure about my obsession but you seem to have an undying obsession for Apples & Oranges:lol:... So the only distinction you were able to draw is that one is ethnic and other is religious. But didn't you claim that Anti-Sikh riot was ethnic cleansing. So what ethnicity did Sikhs belong to? Looks like you are the one who has locked himself in knots:bunny:

Only trying to help you to keep it going! As I said earlier won't grudge your job!:D
Was it ever required? I was posting them anyways irrespective of your attention and help. So still perplexed why they were noticed in the very first place:undecided:
 
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People get to learn a lot many things on a daily basis. Are you implying that people get obsessed with every new thing they come across? I shouldn't be shocked to hear what you just uttered as this is what is taught in Shakha I guess:coffee:
Don't know about others..but you certainly seems to be obsessed with your so called 'ethnic ' stuff. What's it...Beginners obsession?
Oh thanks for your concern, I know it is real "hard work" to reach the competency of a Shakha Graduate... So cheers to you:cheers:

My pleasure. :cheers:


I asked you what was pathetic about my statement and you come up with a robotic standard reply...
Nothing robotic about it..precise to the point. Once again..hope I'll get through to you this time around. Yes..if is pathetic to suggest just 'cause one section of people suffered the most, they should be absolved off whatever the sins they have committed...& all the blame should be shifted to the side which suffered the least.

Apple and Oranges? Please explain why is it so?
'cause you are trying to draw parallel between two incidents which are poles apart. That's why I said do bit of research about holocaust before doing lose comparisons.

Blame whom? The innocents victims of both sides? I simply stated the fact that there were targeted killings of a particular group who happened to suffer the most.
People from two groups died there. Each one of them targeted by the other. People died from both sides 'cause they were killed by perpetrators from either sides. So I blame all those who were involved in the criminal act from either side. Who do you blame?

I must admit that I accidentally visited a Shakha where they happened to teach all the funny stuff as to how Taj Mahal was Tejo Mahalay, how Kaaba was a Shiva temple et-cetra et-cetra...;)
Is it? So what happened after that? Did you do anything about it? Does the story end there? :lol:

Not sure about my obsession but you seem to have an undying obsession for Apples & Oranges:lol:...
It's an idiom. Have you not heard about about it before? A comparison of apples & oranges occurs when two items or groups of items are compared that cannot be practically compared. See..that's another thing you learned today. Say thank you! :D

So the only distinction you were able to draw is that one is ethnic and other is religious.
Absolutely. & that's how it's always been. Here...let me provide you with the list of riots prior to '84. Now I'll let you name each one of them... Go on let's here it..
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But didn't you claim that Anti-Sikh riot was ethnic cleansing. So what ethnicity did Sikhs belong to? Looks like you are the one who has locked himself in knots:bunny:
:lol: you seems to be lost in transit my friend. If you go back & revisit all those quotes, you will realise that I was only asking you as per your own definition which one looked more like an ethnic cleansing? Now don't tell me you are going off of your own favourite phrase? :D


Was it ever required? No..! I was posting them anyways irrespective of your attention and help. So still perplexed why they were noticed in the very first place:undecided:
Don't get perplexed. You should be flattered that your work of art is noticed. Only few posts earlier you were celebrating that fact..weren't you? :azn:
 
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Don't know about others..but you certainly seems to be obsessed with your so called 'ethnic ' stuff. What's it...Beginners obsession?
Seems like its you who's obsessed with nitpicking since you don't have anything to counter the whole argument hence the triviality... Well carry on, there has to be something that should keep up your motivation...

Nothing robotic about it..precise to the point. Once again..hope I'll get through to you this time around. Yes..if is pathetic to suggest just 'cause one section of people suffered the most, they should be absolved off whatever the sins they have committed...& all the blame should be shifted to the side which suffered the least.
Again

they should be absolved off whatever the sins they have committed?

Please explain what Sins did the victims of Naroda Patiya commit?

'cause you are trying to draw parallel between two incidents which are poles apart. That's why I said do bit of research about holocaust before doing lose comparisons.
I've done my bit of research, hence the comparison. Please explain why are they poles apart?

People from two groups died there. Each one of them targeted by the other. People died from both sides 'cause they were killed by perpetrators from either sides. So I blame all those who were involved in the criminal act from either side. Who do you blame?
Please go ahead and blame those who were involved in criminal acts but who committed the most excesses? Why don't they deserve that extra criticism?

Is it? So what happened after that? Did you do anything about it? Does the story end there? :lol:
I wouldn't really want some d!ck headed Sanghis bearing Trishuls chase me round about the city, so just got out without uttering a word...

It's an idiom. Have you not heard about about it before? A comparison of apples & oranges occurs when two items or groups of items are compared that cannot be practically compared. See..that's another thing you learned today. Say thank you! :D
I've heard of it but questioning you about its usage in here. So I ask again how do you intend to compare them with apples and oranges?

Absolutely. & that's how it's always been. Here...let me provide you with the list of riots prior to '84. Now I'll let you name each one of them... Go on let's here it..
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This is not the answer to my question? I've been speaking of cleansing of a particular group and that group is a religious group rather than ethnic group. Indeed there were riots before, but there was no State complicity to this extent and the displacement of people, most of them from a particular community. The below is an excerpt which shall put my point across...

"The 2002 riots were obviously the worst. More than 1,000 people, according to the government's own estimate, were killed. Property worth nearly $60m (£38m) was destroyed. An estimated 200,000 people were displaced. Ten years later, around 25,000 of them still languish in relief camps - this, in a state which won international plaudits for rehabilitating victims of a massive earthquake in 2000. Many have moved into newer ghettos. Ahmedabad is the most ghettoised city in India."

Source: Has Gujarat moved on since 2002's riots? - BBC News

:lol: you seems to be lost in transit my friend. If you go back & revisit all those quotes, you will realise that I was only asking you as per your own definition which one looked more like an ethnic cleansing? Now don't tell me you are going off of your own favourite phrase? :D
Which one looked more like like an ethnic cleansing? Well to which I replied as follows...

"Anyways since you are so intent on projecting numbers to have your say... Let's make you understand(I know its tough but I will give a try) your way...

At least 330,000 Serbs, 30,000 Jews and 30,000 Roma were killed during the NDH and is termed as ethnic cleansing.

Source: Jasenovac

The killings of Uzbeks during the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan riots is also termed as ethnic cleansing even though the official death toll stands at 179.

Source: Kyrgyzstan riots led to ethnic cleansing; government blames Bakiyev - CSMonitor.com

So the difference between the number of casualties does not change the over all definition..."

Check post #122

So please answer how '84 resemble ethnic cleansing but not 2002?

Don't get perplexed. You should be flattered that your work of art is noticed. Only few posts earlier you were celebrating that fact..weren't you? :azn:
Is it not you who asked me not to get flattered in post #118 and now you suddenly change your tune. Are you OK mate?
 
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Seems like its you who's obsessed with nitpicking since you don't have anything to counter the whole argument hence the triviality... Well carry on, there has to be something that should keep up your motivation...
So when you are caught with your pants down it's nitpicking? Struggling to wriggle out of that one...are we? :lol:


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they should be absolved off whatever the sins they have committed?

Please explain what Sins did the victims of Naroda Patiya commit?

Comprehension issues? Who's blaming the victims? Or you are just being ignorant 'cause you find it hard to counter a balanced argument where you call spade a spade & blame perpetrators of the crime regardless of their religious affiliation?

I've done my bit of research, hence the comparison. Please explain why are they poles apart?
If you have done your research you wouldn't draw parallel between the two incidents.

The Holocaust was the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators.
Germans believed were "racially superior" and that the Jews, deemed "inferior," were an alien threat to the so-called German racial community. Groups were persecuted on political, ideological, and behavioral grounds.
None of the above can be equated with anything that happened anywhere in India or the anywhere or the world. Your attempt to draw parallel is futile.
Please go ahead and blame those who were involved in criminal acts but who committed the most excesses? Why don't they deserve that extra criticism?
Everyone who did wrong deserve criticism. But that doesn't mean you let your bias blind you & start looking at things as per your convenience..cry victim all the time just 'cause you need extra attention, TLC.
I wouldn't really want some d!ck headed Sanghis bearing Trishuls chase me round about the city, so just got out without uttering a word...
Nice...you did the wise thing. Bravo....
Hope that tail which was tuck in between is free now! :D

I've heard of it but questioning you about its usage in here. So I ask again how do you intend to compare them with apples and oranges?
'cause it's used when you try to compare something which is incomparable...duh... You still din't get it? :woot:

This is not the answer to my question? I've been speaking of cleansing of a particular group and that group is a religious group rather than ethnic group. Indeed there were riots before, but there was no State complicity to this extent and the displacement of people, most of them from a particular community. The below is an excerpt which shall put my point across...

"The 2002 riots were obviously the worst. More than 1,000 people, according to the government's own estimate, were killed. Property worth nearly $60m (£38m) was destroyed. An estimated 200,000 people were displaced. Ten years later, around 25,000 of them still languish in relief camps - this, in a state which won international plaudits for rehabilitating victims of a massive earthquake in 2000. Many have moved into newer ghettos. Ahmedabad is the most ghettoised city in India."

Source: Has Gujarat moved on since 2002's riots? - BBC News
Stop talking gibberish & keep crying about state complicity & that how Gujarat was the worst ever. Have given you the list prior to '84 & you could see in some casualties are even greater. At one hand you keep crying & wants to justify the event based on the number of casualties & when I throw instances with even greater number, you want to wriggle out searching for alternate excuses. Go & have a look at the chronology of events of 84 & you'll see enough evidence & chargesheets on state complicity. Every riot that happened in India has a religious undertone to it...& every riot had some tacit support from the state machinery. Just 'cause you are blinded by hatred towards a prticular ideology, you fail to see the reality.

Which one looked more like like an ethnic cleansing? Well to which I replied as follows...

"Anyways since you are so intent on projecting numbers to have your say... Let's make you understand(I know its tough but I will give a try) your way...

At least 330,000 Serbs, 30,000 Jews and 30,000 Roma were killed during the NDH and is termed as ethnic cleansing.

Source: Jasenovac

The killings of Uzbeks during the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan riots is also termed as ethnic cleansing even though the official death toll stands at 179.

Source: Kyrgyzstan riots led to ethnic cleansing; government blames Bakiyev - CSMonitor.com

So the difference between the number of casualties does not change the over all definition..."

Check post #122

So please answer how '84 resemble ethnic cleansing but not 2002?
:lol: Again question is very simple. But you are unable to answer it due to your own compulsions & hence you want to bring all those non-Indian issues to mask your limitations. Again let me keep this simple & ask you once again? Which one looks more like ethnic cleansing as per your own definition?

2800 of 1.7% vs 11 or

790 of 14.6 % vs 254

I know you won't answer it? But still.. :lol:

Is it not you who asked me not to get flattered in post #118 and now you suddenly change your tune. Are you OK mate?
As I said earlier..I don't grudge your day job. If me getting flattered gives you incentive, so be it! :D
 
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So when you are caught with your pants down it's nitpicking? Struggling to wriggle out of that one...are we? :lol:
Oh then celebrate your little victory:victory:. I understand how these things get Bhakts their most cherished orgasmic pleasure:lol:

Comprehension issues? Who's blaming the victims? Or you are just being ignorant 'cause you find it hard to counter a balanced argument where you call spade a spade & blame perpetrators of the crime regardless of their religious affiliation?
So who were you referring to over here...

"cause one section of people suffered the most, they should be absolved off whatever the sins they have committed?"

If you have done your research you wouldn't draw parallel between the two incidents.

The Holocaust was the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators.
Germans believed were "racially superior" and that the Jews, deemed "inferior," were an alien threat to the so-called German racial community. Groups were persecuted on political, ideological, and behavioral grounds.
None of the above can be equated with anything that happened anywhere in India or the anywhere or the world. Your attempt to draw parallel is futile.
So didn't Jews retaliate? Were Germans not killed in these retaliatory attacks?

Everyone who did wrong deserve criticism. But that doesn't mean you let your bias blind you & start looking at things as per your convenience..cry victim all the time just 'cause you need extra attention, TLC.
Why are you so full of adjectives without any matter? I asked you a simple question...

"who committed the most excesses? Why don't they deserve that extra criticism?"

Nice...you did the wise thing. Bravo....
Hope that tail which was tuck in between is free now! :D
Unlike you I am no Virat Sanghi, So I don't have many options...:(

'cause it's used when you try to compare something which is incomparable...duh... You still din't get it? :woot:
I asked you as to why did you use the term "Apples and Oranges" to draw the comparison and not the actual meaning.

Stop talking gibberish & keep crying about state complicity & that how Gujarat was the worst ever. Have given you the list prior to '84 & you could see in some casualties are even greater. At one hand you keep crying & wants to justify the event based on the number of casualties & when I throw instances with even greater number, you want to wriggle out searching for alternate excuses. Go & have a look at the chronology of events of 84 & you'll see enough evidence & chargesheets on state complicity. Every riot that happened in India has a religious undertone to it...& every riot had some tacit support from the state machinery. Just 'cause you are blinded by hatred towards a prticular ideology, you fail to see the reality.
Did I state Gujarat was the worst ever? No, it was a reputed news source which states so... I've already explained you that number of casualties is not the criteria for ethnic/religious cleansing. Its the definition which needs to be fulfilled and what happened in 2002 fits in quite well...

:lol: Again question is very simple. But you are unable to answer it due to your own compulsions & hence you want to bring all those non-Indian issues to mask your limitations. Again let me keep this simple & ask you once again? Which one looks more like ethnic cleansing as per your own definition?

2800 of 1.7% vs 11 or

790 of 14.6 % vs 254

I know you won't answer it? But still.. :lol:
Non-Indian? So, Is the definition of ethnic cleansing different in India than the rest of the world?

As I said earlier..I don't grudge your day job. If me getting flattered gives you incentive, so be it! :D
When did you getting flattered come into picture? Were we not speaking about me getting flattered. This is your previous post, please take note of the bold part...

Don't get perplexed. You should be flattered that your work of art is noticed. Only few posts earlier you were celebrating that fact..weren't you? :azn:

You mate, do have some serious comprehension issues... Try working on them.
 
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Just show him the GLIMPSE of ISIS.....this man will start wearing CHADDI from the next Morning!!!
 
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Oh then celebrate your little victory:victory:. I understand how these things get Bhakts their most cherished orgasmic pleasure:lol:
Not victory...just realisation of the fact that I knocked some sense into your pea-brain & schooled you about the difference between ethnic cleansing & religious riot.

So who were you referring to over here...

"cause one section of people suffered the most, they should be absolved off whatever the sins they have committed?"
:lol: what's wrong with that statement? Isn't that how it should be? Or did you expect some relaxation & special treatment just 'cause number of victims are more on one side?

So didn't Jews retaliate? Were Germans not killed in these retaliatory attacks?
of course people do retaliate.. Just 'cause you run away with tail between your legs when faced with Sanghis.....doesn't mean others do the same :lol:'

Why are you so full of adjectives without any matter? I asked you a simple question...

"who committed the most excesses? Why don't they deserve that extra criticism?"
All victims deserve equal compassion & care. Why are you are so desperate for special treatment for one side? Are they that weak & needy?

Unlike you I am no Virat Sanghi, So I don't have many options...:(
thought so...you clarified that pretty well above! :lol:
I asked you as to why did you use the term "Apples and Oranges" to draw the comparison and not the actual meaning?
Again...duh! :hitwall: 'cause you keep comparing incomparable! comprende?
Did I state Gujarat was the worst ever? No, it was a reputed news source which states so... I've already explained you that number of casualties is not the criteria for ethnic/religious cleansing. Its the definition which needs to be fulfilled and what happened in 2002 fits in quite well...
& prior to '02 riots were not of religious nature? :lol:

Non-Indian? So, Is the definition of ethnic cleansing different in India than the rest of the world?

Not at all...ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing. Religious riot is religious riot. Again you are trying to compare APPLES & ORANGES. Now don't ask me why am I using the term once again.:D

Btw...let me ask you once again again...I think you missed it in previous posts!:D
Which one looks more like ethnic cleansing as per your own definition?

2800 of 1.7% vs 11 or

790 of 14.6 % vs 254?

When did you getting flattered come into picture? Were we not speaking about me getting flattered. This is your previous post, please take note of the bold part...



You mate, do have some serious comprehension issues... Try working on them.

Na...I changed my mind now. If me getting flattered does any good you, so be it. As I said earlier... I don't grudge your day job! :D
 
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