Rising above differences!

[Norwegian]

He might be small in height but a giant in stature. This guy was the original common man who became the PM of India. When he died, he had no wealth to leave behind. Had so much integrity, resigned as railway minister voluntarily after a train crashed. After his resignation, he was entitled to benefits but refused to take them. Had no money to pay the paltry electricity bills of his house. In evenings he and his wife used to light candles in their house

Oh my... How can we get people of such divine and devout character these days? With a world filled of materialistic greed and obsession, it's impossible to have great men of such caliber today!!!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I wonder why Pakistan didn't try to take Kashmir in 1962 on going Sino-India war???

Pakistan fought a full fledged war with India in 1965 over Kashmir, then why not in 1962? 3 years before? when India-China war was going on?

Yes, indeed you are right.

1. Pakistan should have ( like India did ) launched a all out invasion with at least one brigade moving along the Pindi, Murree, Muzzafarabad, Srinagar Road axis in 1947. 48 hours it would have been over.

2. Pakistan should have attacked in 1962 by timing it with Sino-Indian war. Again this golden oppurtunity was missed. There are reasons but let us leave that for another day.

 

[Spectre]

Oh my... How can we get people of such divine and devout character these days? With a world filled of materialistic greed and obsession, it's impossible to have great men of such caliber today!!!

Agreed. I honestly think they should make all politicians sign off their wealth to charity or something before becoming leaders. Leave no room for conflict of interest.

 

[M.SAAD]

@Atanz @Norwegian What could be the possible solution of Kashmir now?? That'd remotely be in Pakistan's favour?

What was the Chenab formula or something the Musharaf was on about ??

Also I hope this sort of stuff don't come in package

 

[Spectre]

Yes, indeed you are right.

1. Pakistan should have ( like India did ) launched a all out invasion usin minmum brigade driven along Pindi, Murree, Muzzafarabad, Srinagar Road in 1947. 48 hours it would have been over.

2. Pakistan should have attacked in 1962 by timing it with Sino-Indian war. Again this golden oppurtunity was missed. There are reasons but let us leave that for another day.

An all out war with a conclusive result would have been better I agree. I wish it could have been settled for once and for all and everyone could have moved on with their lives. May be India and Pakistan could have become allies without this bone of contention of Kashmir lying b/w us.
Now unfortunately its too late.

 

[Norwegian]

Agreed. I honestly think they should make all politicians sign off their wealth to charity or something before becoming leaders. Leave know room for conflict of interest.

Exactly. Our great man Imran Khan entered politics for the very same reason. To get rid this country of opportunistic politicians with conflicts of interests.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

An all out war with a conclusive result would have been better I agree. I wish it could have been settled for once and for all and everyone could have moved on with their lives. May be India and Pakistan could have become allies without this bone of contention of Kashmir lying b/w us.
Now unfortunately its too late.

I entirely agree with you there ...

 

[Spectre]

Exactly. Our great man Imran Khan entered politics for the very same reason. To get rid this country of opportunistic politicians with conflicts of interests.

Sarcasm? Under the influence so all mental faculties not working properly

 

[Norwegian]

What was the Chenab formula or something the Musharaf was on about ??

Chenab Formula actually goes back all the way to 1960s where allied powers forced India to give up 90 % of J&K to Pakistan:

Naturally, India refused, although Pakistan wanted all of it

Sarcasm? Under the influence so all mental faculties not working properly

No, per official story, he entered politics to get rid of these opportunistic existing parties.

An all out war with a conclusive result would have been better I agree.

LOLZ. How many times have Israel defeated all Arab states in conclusive total wars, yet they keep coming back with their puny wars of attrition against Israel. Same thing would have happened here, even if India defeated Pakistan completely or vice versa.

 

[M.SAAD]

Chenab Formula actually goes back all the way to 1960s where allied powers forced India to give up 90 % of J&K to Pakistan:

Naturally, India refused, although Pakistan wanted all of it


No, per official story, he entered politics to get rid of these opportunistic existing parties.

What could be the possible solution of Kashmir now, in your opinion?? That favours Pakistan a bit?

 

[Spectre]

LOLZ. How many times have Israel defeated all Arab states in conclusive total wars, yet they keep coming back with their puny wars of attrition against Israel. Same thing would have happened here, even if India defeated Pakistan completely or vice versa.

Ah! I believe Pakistanis are more civilized than Arabs

Going by your logic then Pakistan would never allow India itself to exist and by the virtue of this does not believe in two nation theory which ultimately lead to establishment of Pakistan.

My head hurts with the contradictions inherent in that posture.

 

[Norwegian]

2. Pakistan should have attacked in 1962 by timing it with Sino-Indian war. Again this golden oppurtunity was missed. There are reasons but let us leave that for another day.

Pakistan was busy rebuilding its capital in Islamabad, remember? Pakistan was hooked on economic development spree in early 60's. And when that brilliant man Ayub asked that idiot Bhutto to join his technocratic government, he somehow persuaded him to do: 'Marsoon Marsoon, Kashmir Na Desoon'. In return we got: 'Marsoon Marsoon, Taraqqi Na Desoon' to this date by his sheer idiocy and selfishness. It wasn't Zia that ruined Pakistan. It was Bhutto who promoted him to that rank for political favoritism in the first place. Also, it wasn't Yahya that alone caused Dhaka debacle. It was Bhutto who refused to accept democratic mandate of Mujib's Awami League. So who is the sole culprit of Pakistan's current shitty state? BHUTTO!

 

[Spectre]

What could be the possible solution of Kashmir now, in your opinion?? That favours Pakistan a bit?

What do you mean by "a bit"? Status quo is acceptable to India though not to Pakistan.

Changing the status quo would some say would benefit Pakistan but lead to all out war and mutually assured destruction where Pakistan would be destroyed along with India. Not sure how that benefits Pakistan.

The whole situation is full of contradictions as I said.

 

[Norwegian]

What could be the possible solution of Kashmir now, in your opinion?? That favours Pakistan a bit?

That Pakistan accepts LOC as the permanent border. End of story. India won't give us an inch now that they have become so strong in terms of military and economy!

Going by your logic then Pakistan would never allow India itself to exist and by the virtue of this does not believe in two nation theory which ultimately lead to establishment of Pakistan.

Pakistan is still against the existence of ad independent and free India to this date. Remember that we ruled India for a thousand years and so...

 

[M.SAAD]

That Pakistan accepts LOC as the permanent border. End of story. India won't give us an inch now that they have become so strong in terms of military and economy!

Hmm I don't think so. Accepting LOC as permanent border would mean accepting defeat, and would hurt each and every Pakistani sentiments.

We have water disputes with India too cause of Kashmir, best we can do is NOT accept LOC as International Border, just to piss India off, as much as we can .



Or settle atleast our water disputes in return .