Revival: The Muslim Response to the Crusades

[TMA]

Persians or Italians do not have GREAT ELEGANCE as Turkish Sunnis.

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Can you see an Italian do such sophistication?? I think not.
ALL HAIL SUNNI ISLAM!!

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And many more. <3

Please stop with the jingoism.

Persians have great architecture and so do the ancient Romans. ...in the eye of the beholder.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Persians or Italians do not have GREAT ELEGANCE as Turkish Sunnis.

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Can you see an Italian do such sophistication?? I think not.
ALL HAIL SUNNI ISLAM!!

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And many more. <3

Dude where is this? It's gorgeous!

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Muslims used senseless violence to capture the Holy land, so what.
At that time, Muslims were agressively attacking Christians.
It is not surprising there was a backlash.


No country is required to recognize another country.
Any country can boycott another country without reason.
War, however is more serious today and you have to have a good reason,
and if You manage to occupy another country You have to follow certain rules.

Rules are different now than during crusades.
At that time it was perfectly OK send an Army to the Holy Land.
As for hurting the Jews, that was not called for by the church,
and those sacking Constantinople were excommunicated,​

The so-called Christians of Sham during the 6th and 7th century were fellow Arabs (Ghassanids) mostly.

In fact the Ghassanid Kingdom (220-638) was one of the earliest Christian states if not the earliest. The neighboring Arab Lakhmids had adopted Christianity as well. Let alone Nabatea and Tadmor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids





You cannot claim ownership of a region that you have nothing to do with other than a very short time period in the recorded history of the region (overall), ruled by proxy (through locals) let alone use Christianity (itself a Semitic religion native to Sham - not Europe) as an excuse.

Arab Muslim conquests of Southern Europe were in fact pay-back for that prior occupation. Natives of the Arab world never had to conquer Europe during that era or previous eras as it was much less developed and everything that was needed was already present indigenously.

And no, history does not magically change/disappear just because people happen to change religious beliefs.

For instance recently a comprehensive DNA study of the earliest Neolithic cultures and civilizations on the planet located in Southern Levant, showed that modern-day Saudi Arabians, have the closest genetic affinity to those 10.000 + years old skeletons. The first farmers on the planet.

Let me quote an old post of mine:

"Speaking about Neolithic peoples, Saudi Arabians show the greatest genetic affinity to Neolithic mummies.

Recently a DNA study proved that modern-day Saudi Arabians, Palestinians, Jordanians and Egyptians have the largest ancestral claim on the Neolithic civilizations that first appeared in Southern Levant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

A culture that existed from 12.5000 BC to 9.500 BC whose people are known to have built the first Neolithic settlements on the planet as well as made the first attempts at agriculture, organized included. It was also arguably the first sedentary culture of this size in the world as well.

Here are the DNA results from this year (2016)

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf

It's quite cool that Saudi Arabians (in particular as they scored the highest percentage, one sample 60.38%!), Palestinians, Jordanians, "Israeli" Bedouins and Egyptians (afterwards other Arabs in the Near East and other MENA people) show the strongest genetic affinity to the ancient Natufian culture (12.500 BC - 9.500 BC) that was not only the first settled Neolithic civilization/community in the world but the first culture and people who introduced farming and built the first known settlements! More so knowing that the Natufians did not hail from the outside whether nearby Europe or Africa! They were indigenous."

Can you tell me what relationship Swedes and other Europeans have with those native peoples of our region in comparison for you to dare to talk about what is yours? Or maybe it is the parallel universe that you are located in that states the opposite. In fact Vikings were Arabs and native peoples of today's Arab world were Europeans, in particular Swedes and Italians. That must be the conclusion!

If that is how your logic works, I want ownership of most of Southern Europe. It is Arab land under occupation! I can do with Iberia which is arguably the most beautiful part of Europe.

BTW, I cannot see what that fake "Italian" is writing as he is on my ignore list. In any case the region discussed has nothing to do with him regardless of what he claims to be.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Dude where is this? It's gorgeous!

Istanbul my brother. Dolmabahce Palace. It wouldn't be possible without Islam

Please stop with the jingoism.

Persians have great architecture and so do the ancient Romans. ...in the eye of the beholder.

Impossible!!! We taught the Italians art!!

 

[MarkusS]

bla bla blubb

Thats no art. Thats geometry. Its a big nothing any child can do. The tiles in my bathroom have the same value as the stuff you show above.

That is art:

Art means to express yourself. It means to create something. It means cultural expression.

What you call "beauty" is nothing but garbage for me.

In the end art is taste. If you like geometrical stuff so be it. The worlds art hot spots are in Italy.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Istanbul, Beylerbeyi Palace.

 

[MarkusS]

Sorry I made my reply inside your reply.


The Crusades were not really Christian wars. Please do not fall for this. It was barbarians disguised in the cloak of Christianity. They persecuted the Orthodox Christians like crazy. Even today Orthodox Christianity is still wary of the (now post-Christian) West.

No thats not true as you could easily check up. of you read on the genetic aspect of italy. There was little to no genetic interchange.

How do you think should this hahappened? That millions crossed over the Alps? At best came 10.000. As the article on wiki states, no significant genetic imprint could be found, since the italian peninsula is pretty much isolated in geographic aspects.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Thats no art. Thats geometry. Its a big nothing any child can do. The tiles in my bathroom have the same value as the stuff you show above.

That is art:

Art means to express yourself. It means to create something. It means cultural expression.

What you call "beauty" is nothing but garbage for me.

In the end art is taste. If you like geometrical stuff so be it. The worlds art hot spots are in Italy.

Statues that can be smashed and portraits that don't mean anything. The only thing of value was that building which is easily outdone by many Islamic structures. Nice try Italian but your crappy portraits don't mean jack.

 

[Timur]

Thats no art. Thats geometry. Its a big nothing any child can do. The tiles in my bathroom have the same value as the stuff you show above.

That is art:

Art means to express yourself. It means to create something. It means cultural expression.

What you call "beauty" is nothing but garbage for me.

In the end art is taste. If you like geometrical stuff so be it. The worlds art hot spots are in Italy.

dark and cold art.. and some pornografic statues.. when this is your definition of art then you can have your art..

 

[MarkusS]

Statues that can be smashed and portraits that don't mean anything. The only thing of value was that building which is easily outdone by many Islamic structures. Nice try Italian but your crappy portraits don't mean jack.

As your opinion would matter.

dark and cold art.. and some pornografic statues.. when this is your definition of art then you can have your art..

yes, i can have my art. You know why we can have our art? Because we smashed any islamic attempt to attack us.

I´m free as is my nation.

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Istanbul, Beylerbeyi Palace.

lol just looked it up. This was build in 1865 from an armenian christian guy Sarkis Balyan.

1st...in 1865 we already had steamships in italy while you build this outdated stuff we had already 300 years before.

2nd...it was build by a christian.

 

[TMA]

No thats not true as you could easily check up. of you read on the genetic aspect of italy. There was little to no genetic interchange.

How do you think should this hahappened? That millions crossed over the Alps? At best came 10.000. As the article on wiki states, no significant genetic imprint could be found, since the italian peninsula is pretty much isolated in geographic aspects.

Fair enough but there is conflicting histories. Read Kemp and the blog article I gave you. How to reconcile this?
Plus I have seen Italians who are darker than me - why is this? It ain't just the Sun!

Plus is it not true that many non Romans were given citizenship?Is it not true that an Arab was an emperor of the Empire once upon a time?

Plus millions do not need to cross over the Alps- sexual reproduction!

 

[MarkusS]

Fair enough but there is conflicting histories. Read Kemp and the blog article I gave you. How to reconcile this?
Plus I have seen Italians who are darker than me - why is this? It ain't just the Sun!

I have pretty dark hair but no dark skin.

As for Italians you should keep in mind that "Mare Nostrum" allowed much exchange during time of Roman Empire.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

lol just looked it up. This was build in 1865 from an armenian christian guy Sarkis Balyan.

1st...in 1865 we already had steamships in italy while you build this outdated stuff we had already 300 years before.

2nd...it was build by a christian.

Looked up the architect, it says he was Armenian, it doesn't say he was a Christian.

 

[Timur]

I´m free as is my nation.

that sounds good

you are free we are free and we should let it this way.. we can like our stuff you can like your stuff sound good..

 

[Attila the Hun]

Divrigi Great Mosque , Sivas.