Revival: The Muslim Response to the Crusades

[MarkusS]

Hahah one deluded rat you are. Every allied nation tried to take it in ww1 but couldn't. Atilla also raped the Romans. Atilla and Constantinople the capital of Rome. Your ancestors got a double D in themselves pal.

Attila never made it here. He was defeated by the roman army and died.

The capital of Rome is Rome. As the name says.

The huns were crushed from our forces at the battle of the catalaunian plains

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Catalaunian_Plains

You my friend are a eastern roman. My ancestors in italy never met a hun. Your ancestors on the other side...

Do you know what a "Stockholm Syndrome" is?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Most of them came from France. And some even killed their own Christian people in Europe as well. So much for the word crusade meaning "soldier of Christ." The pope chose bishops as commanders. It's obvious the crusades weren't for "saving Christianity" if you kill Christians once you get into the holy land too lmao. The crusades was an excuse to rape,rule and pillage. They're like the medieval NATO lol.

If the Normans were the bulk then that shows what the Popes real intentions were.

Normandy is located in France.
Normand = Man from the North = Viking. Norwegians still call themselves Nordman.
When Vikings attacked there were two possible outcomes.
* Rape & Plunder - or -
* Plunder & Rape.

The Pope wanted to regain the holy land for Christianity, but had very little control over the behaviour
of Crusaders, and less over the Kingdom of Jerusalem

The Pope has indeed apologized for some Christian Atrocities.
I don't remember a single Muslim apologizing for anything.

Europeans like to call themselves liberals.
yet they defend mid evil crusaders and justify their crimes in Jerusalem when they slaughter the entire population including women and children.

There us a world of difference between justying the Crusades, and justifying specific events during the Crusades.

The Muslim History contains similar events. Banu Quraysa for instance. An apology is overdue.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

The Muslim History contains similar events. Banu Quraysa for instance. An apology is overdue.

In 627, when the Quraysh and their allies besieged the city in the Battle of the Trench, the Qurayza entered into negotiations with the besiegers.

They tried to exterminate the Muslims in their city. That requires no apologies and was dealt with the correct way. What Crusaders did was completely unprovoked and stupid beyond belief.

No Muslims committed atrocities during the crusades.

 

[Baybars Han]

Attila never made it here. He was defeated by the roman army and died.

The capital of Rome is Rome. As the name says.

The huns were crushed from our forces at the battle of the catalaunian plains

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Catalaunian_Plains

You my friend are a eastern roman. My ancestors in italy never met a hun. Your ancestors on the other side...

Do you know what a "Stockholm Syndrome" is?

Are you for real? Constantinople became the capital of the roman empire after Rome. Byzantine empire was still the continuation of the roman empire. And we crushed your empire into history.

 

[Bouhmeed]

They will always deny the truth by any mean look at what they did to this arian church in italy to corrupt history

 

[Attila the Hun]

Attila never made it here. He was defeated by the roman army and died.

The capital of Rome is Rome. As the name says.

The huns were crushed from our forces at the battle of the catalaunian plains

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Catalaunian_Plains

You my friend are a eastern roman. My ancestors in italy never met a hun. Your ancestors on the other side...

Do you know what a "Stockholm Syndrome" is?

Huns crushed the Romans. But, so did other Barbarians too.

 

[The SC]

Muslims should apologize for what? for helping other people regain their dignity after a slavery-like civilization..

 

[fitpOsitive]

Stomp down on the enemy so he never is a threat anymore

thats what you guys are doing now.

 

[Nexus]

It was mostly franch people who fought and colonised Jerusalem city and kingdom. 1,20,000 franch were settled in Jerusalem to colonise it.

 

[MarkusS]

Are you for real? Constantinople became the capital of the roman empire after Rome. Byzantine empire was still the continuation of the roman empire. And we crushed your empire into history.

You seem to not know history well. The empire was split by two. The western roman empires capital was of course like always Rome. The eastern roman capital was Constantinople.

I'm italian. So im "core roman". Rome and Constantinople were hard rivals. Rome die evrything in its power to crush Constantinople. This had religious and political reasons.

You are an east roman whose ancestors got defeated by asian hordes and thats what i mean with Stockholm Syndrome. Your ancestors there suffered and later on even lost their own identity and call themself "Turk" even so you look exactly like any other greek. You dont look anything like a turk. You want see real turks? Go to Usbekistan.

That Byzantine ended was in best interest of Rome. When Byzantine called for help they only got a cold smile from our side. Their end was the best that could happen for us.

Constantinople was a far greater threat to roman hegemony than some asian hordes.

 

[Gothic]

there was no response to the crusades , what wikipedia teaches you the mongols rolled into the muslim world when they heard about the crusades.

It was mostly franch people who fought and colonised Jerusalem city and kingdom. 1,20,000 franch were settled in Jerusalem to colonise it.

not according to hollywood , it was apparently the British .

 

[Hamza913]

We lost? The entire region broke apart to the state it has today. We conquered the world...You have Aleppo and Damacscus and last time i checked we have the holy land. Its quite peaceful in Jerusalem. Isn´t it?

Wtf are you talking about? Modern events don't count as the crusades dumbass. And last time I checked, Italy hasn't conquered the world. Hell, all of NATO couldn't handle little Iraq or Afghanistan. Now you have to rely on proxies to do your bidding in Syria. You have the holy land? I'm sorry is that a joke? Jews and Muslim are currently contesting over it, Christians aren't even part of the game now.

Of course there are justification.
The conquest of one of the most holy places by another religion is a reason for war.
Persecution of non-muslims in that area fir 100s of years
Continuous aggression vs the Byzantine Empire by the Seljuks, seems to have triggered the whole thing.

Ever heard of the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
The remains are still left as the Maronites in Lebanon.
Seems like You do not have any cause to celebrate either considering todays situation.

I don't have any problems with Jerusalem beeing in control by the Jews.
Have already visited Jerusalem and the Christian holy places there, something
You are unlikely to be doing in Your lifetime.

No there isn't, the brutalities that occurred were senseless violence trying to take the holy land. Not only did Europe mistreat Muslims, they also hurt the Jews and even other Christians in the area.

By your logic, every single Muslim country has the right to not recognise Israel, boycott it, and destroy it if we like. But you will never consider that just even though they have conquered our holy lands, will you? Your logic is flawed.

The current situation doesn't change what's happened in the past, and I don't think Europe has much to celebrate either.

You just said earlier that the holy lands being owned by another religion is enough for war, so yes you do have a problem otherwise you should correct it to if the holy lands are held by Muslims its enough for war.

I have no reason to visit the holy lands anytime soon, but if I want to I can and I will.

 

[MarkusS]

Wtf are you talking about? Modern events don't count as the crusades dumbass. And last time I checked, Italy hasn't conquered the world. Hell, all of NATO couldn't handle little Iraq or Afghanistan. Now you have to rely on proxies to do your bidding in Syria. You have the holy land? I'm sorry is that a joke? Jews and Muslim are currently contesting over it, Christians aren't even part of the game now.



No there isn't, the brutalities that occurred were senseless violence trying to take the holy land. Not only did Europe mistreat Muslims, they also hurt the Jews and even other Christians in the area.

By your logic, every single Muslim country has the right to not recognise Israel, boycott it, and destroy it if we like. But you will never consider that just even though they have conquered our holy lands, will you? Your logic is flawed.

The current situation doesn't change what's happened in the past, and I don't think Europe has much to celebrate either.

You just said earlier that the holy lands being owned by another religion is enough for war, so yes you do have a problem otherwise you should correct it to if the holy lands are held by Muslims its enough for war.

I have no reason to visit the holy lands anytime soon, but if I want to I can and I will.

Modern events are based on events before.

The crusades broke the arab worlds backbone and it became what it is today. Broken down vasalls with muppet leaders and cultural downfall.

Italy hasn´t conquered the world? Catholicism has.

Israel is a western nation. We heavily support it and make it immune against any islamic agression.

Again...your peopels fate is absolute irrelevant for me. I only care for my people. If its necessary to kill millions of enemies so be it. The crusades were sucessfull in the way that they secured europe from oriental barbarism.

The Renaissance, all the beautiful art, culture and society we developed in Italy out of Rome was only possible because we had peace. That peace was build on the bones of barbaric enemies.

Should Europe celebrate the crusades? No, becaus we celebrate ourself. Not a necessary step.

 

[Attila the Hun]

You are an east roman whose ancestors got defeated by asian hordes and thats what i mean with Stockholm Syndrome. Your ancestors there suffered and later on even lost their own identity and call themself "Turk"

Yes, a lot of Turks in Anatolia look like Greeks or Serbian. But, even in Uzbekistan, a lot of Turks don't look much different to Anatolian Turks.
Remember a lot of the Crusaders were Turks that were locally recruited. Roughly 30%.
And Crusaders were mainly a Turkish v French/German thing.

 

[Hamza913]

Modern events are based on events before.

The crusades broke the arab worlds backbone and it became what it is today. Broken down vasalls with muppet leaders and cultural downfall.

Italy hasn´t conquered the world? Catholicism has.

Israel is a western nation. We heavily support it and make it immune against any islamic agression.

Again...your peopels fate is absolute irrelevant for me. I only care for my people. If its necessary to kill millions of enemies so be it. The crusades were sucessfull in the way that they secured europe from oriental barbarism.

The Renaissance, all the beautiful art, culture and society we developed in Italy out of Rome was only possible because we had peace. That peace was build on the bones of barbaric enemies.

Should Europe celebrate the crusades? No, becaus we celebrate ourself. Not a necessary step.

I'm sorry are you really this thick? When you were born did someone open your head and take out your brain? The crusades didn't "break" the Arab world. The only things to have ever broken the Arab world were the Mongols and they eventually became Muslims themselves.

Catholicism hasn't conquered the world, there are only 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide, in comparison to 1.6 billion Muslims. If you want to narrow it down a bit more, there are still 1.4 billion Sunnis so no Catholics haven't conquered the world nor will they ever. The reality is atheism and Islam are conquering the world, they are the two fastest growing ideologies worldwide.

Israel isn't immune, they lost to Hezbollah, can't conquer Gaza, lost the Sinai to Egypt (which in total is bigger than all of Israel, that's a ridiculous amount of land lost), can't strike Iran without pleading to the US (and their pleas go unheard), oh and they couldn't strike Pakistan's nuclear facilities. We made the bomb and they couldn't stop us, we have the power to annihilate them if we wish to do so. Hence why they have been more careful over the past few decades.

You are just continuing to prove how much of a barbarian you are, and only furthering my case that it was your ancestors who were in the wrong all that time ago.

The crusades did nothing for Europe other then end many of its people's lives, you achieved nothing.