Renaissance of Bengali Hindu and the Subversion"

[alphamale]

I can expect better post from you. Allthough I disagree with you on many issues but always respect your knowlege when comes to history, especially Muslim parts.

Why don't you talk about Musalmani Bangla that once spoken by our forefather and how much diffrent it was from the Tagorized Bangla that we speak now in Bangladesh. Do you not think that if we adop Arabic/Persian script then it will be easy to restore our forefather languge and Bangaldesh would be a diffrent entity from West Bengal.

musalmani bangla???????? what is that??????? i never heard that languages have anything to do with religions. what i have heard is of diff dialects of a lang. if i m not wrong then bengali or bangla lang is much older then islam.

 

[TopCat]

musalmani bangla???????? what is that??????? i never heard that languages have anything to do with religions. what i have heard is of diff dialects of a lang. if i m not wrong then bengali or bangla lang is much older then islam.

He even does not know what he talking about. Even an Arab can't understand all of Quran as Quran was written 1400 years ago and Arabic moved a long way since then. Its like asking a eglishman to speak in latin or asking a Bengali to write something in Pakrit.
Current day Arabic is not the Arabic of Quran.

 

[Al-zakir]

He even does not know what he talking about.

You mean you do not about Musalmani Bangla and you are a Bangladeshi muslim.

 

[LaBong]

You mean you do not about Musalmani Bangla and you are a Bangladeshi muslim.

Yeah a corrupted form of Bengali which was coined by a missionary for producing targeted translations of the Bible, what an irony, religious nutjobs are same everywhere!

Around
1850, British missionary James Long dubbed the
Islamized form of Bengali “Musalman Bengali”
(later called Musalmani Bangla – a form relevant
to producing targeted translations of the Bible).
Around 1900, members of the Hindu Bengali
intelligentsia, such as Dinesh Chandra Sen and
Rabindranath Tagore, made “Bengali literature”
central to their “romantic nationalism” (Chakrabarty 2004). They believed that “the national
[Bengali] literature” could engender a mystical
union of the divergent groups of Bengali speakers,
transcending the Hindu-Muslim divide. While
they somewhat naively advocated this vision,
Muslims in the united British Indian state of
Bengal formed a Muslim Literary Association
(1911), sensing that the Bengal Literary Academy
(formed in 1893) was in some subtle way simply a
“Hindu Bengali Literature Society”. But it was
subtle. Hindu romantic nationalists did not advocate anything like the expurgation of Perso-Arabic
words from Bengali. That was not what alienated
Muslim literary figures. What the Hindu romanticists did so successfully was to promulgate a lexically Sanskritized Bengali that somehow appeared
to be both the unmarked form of the language and
the prestige variety.

http://www2.nau.edu/~jmw22/cv/ArabicLoanwords.pdf

Note: I do not agree with above article, but the facts.

 

[integra]

Why's everyone fighting all of a sudden? No fighting among yourselves and no personal attacks. Its not your Parar Restora! If someone is wrong throw in facts not curses.

 

[integra]

We don't give a fig what stereotype Bangladeshis have about us, Kolkata has gdp almost twice of Dhaka with half the population, so people here must be spending 4 times than you lot.

The innuendo was only to let you know that we all have stereotypes attached to us.

Population of Dhaka 10,135,000
Population of calcutta 15,535,000

First of all Dhaka is not a port city .
Secondly, I think what Skies said is misunderstood

We are not talking 'bout whose richer than whom...
Certainly not about GDP!

Once there was a friend of mine who went to Calcutta for her study trip regarding Bengal. So the story is, while visiting some teachers she went to a local sweet store and asked for 2kg of sweets. Now the the owner got stunned as he had no way to measure 2kg so he asked "How many guest?"
She was like WTF? Do you buy sweets by the number of Guests?

I've also heard they sell fishes by slices
as if "How many slices, Sire?"

Anyways even a Farmer in BD would treat a guest with Biriyani
even if he has to take loans and the ones who can treat, well never mind!

PS- Add a Pinch of Salt and Peperoni.

 

[LaBong]

Population of Dhaka 10,135,000
Population of calcutta 15,535,000

First of all Dhaka is not a port city .
Secondly, I think what Skies said is misunderstood

We are not talking 'bout whose richer than whom...
Certainly not about GDP!

Once there was a friend of mine who went to Calcutta for her study trip regarding Bengal. So the story is, while visiting some teachers she went to a local sweet store and asked for 2kg of sweets. Now the the owner got stunned as he had no way to measure 2kg so he asked "How many guest?"
She was like WTF? Do you buy sweets by the number of Guests?

I've also heard they sell fishes by slices
as if "How many slices, Sire?"

Anyways even a Farmer in BD would treat a guest with Biriyani
even if he has to take loans and the ones who can treat, well never mind!

PS- Add a Pinch of Salt and Peperoni.

Dhaka population something like 12 million. Anyways GDP is not a measure of wealth but consumption.

good to know you guys have sweets in kgs, what's the diabetic index of Bangladesh?

I'd rather have exotic "east bengali" cuisine than bangladeshi biriyani.

 

[integra]

I'd rather have exotic "east bengali" cuisine than bangladeshi biriyani.

Biriyani? Its a 400 year old tradition over here.
By the way it's not East Bengal nor East Pakistan its Bangladesh.

 

[LaBong]

Biriyani? Its a 400 year old tradition over here.
By the way it's not East Bengal nor East Pakistan its Bangladesh.

Yeah but I like Oudhi biriyani not what they serve as Dhakai biryani.

Yeah it is bangladesh indeed, but my mom cooks east bengali cuisines.

 

[integra]

pizza - a flat, open-faced baked pie , consisting of a thin layer of bread dough topped with spiced tomato sauce and cheese, often garnished with anchovies, sausage slices, mushrooms,black olives etc.

 

[eastwatch]

Population of Dhaka 10,135,000
Population of calcutta 15,535,000

First of all Dhaka is not a port city .
Secondly, I think what Skies said is misunderstood

We are not talking 'bout whose richer than whom...
Certainly not about GDP!

Once there was a friend of mine who went to Calcutta for her study trip regarding Bengal. So the story is, while visiting some teachers she went to a local sweet store and asked for 2kg of sweets. Now the the owner got stunned as he had no way to measure 2kg so he asked "How many guest?"
She was like WTF? Do you buy sweets by the number of Guests?

I've also heard they sell fishes by slices
as if "How many slices, Sire?"

I have heard the same story from a Bangladeshi Hindu friend about the sweetmeat shops in the Ghoti country. They become surprised if someone orders the sweets in kgs, and quickly assumes he is from our side of Bengal.

People like Abir who were born and brought up in that Ghoti country have become themslves Ghoti. Even they do not trust the stories they hear from their own Bangal parents who may brag about their landing properties or houses and good foods back in their home country in Bangladesh.

These Ghoti chldren think their parents just exaggerate and are just nostalgic about their Purbo Bangla. The reality is most of the individual landing properties were owned by the Hindus before partition.

I should not talk about partition of India in this thread. Rather, I should be talking about Hindu renaissance of Bangali Hindus at the expense of their Muslim counterpart when the British entered the political arena of Sube Bangal. By the way, this word Bangal was first given to this land by the Mughal govt.

Hindus learned not only english, but also the way of British. It was the Bangali Hindus who dominated the civil service of British government until partition. However, I must say Hindus were always educated during the Muslim period, too, and they served also the civil service of Bengal govt.

Muslims almost completely dominated two govt services during muslim period. These are military and justice departments. All other departments were almost entirely dominated by the Hindus, who were educated in Persian and (3R)s, reading, (w)riting and (a)rithmatic.

Muslim period saw the development of the Bangla language. But, it was still weak. No one ever wrote an essay, prose, or a letter in Bangla before the Bengali grammar was compiled in the Fort Willium College in Calcutta sometime after 1805 AD by a number of Sanskrit-educated Hindu Pundits. This event initiated a process whereby the Hindu educated class came up with writing poetries and novels in Bengali.

The effort was too fast and a day came when after about a century Rabindra Nath Thakur won a Nobel Prize for Bengali literature. It is also true that Muslim writers also did not live behind their Hindu counterpart. They equally contributed to Bengali language of the present form, which is quite a little away from the original words from Arabic, Sanskrit, Turkic, Persian, Hindi/Urdu.

I think, it is getting too long a post. Someone with knowledge may be requested to contribute more.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I was expecting some short sighted punk would attack me without thinking deep but you got be surprised. Nevertheless, what possibly one can expect from half baked muslim(if) like yourself.

Wow! So much hate on Arabs yet your country all most surviving on the mercy of Arabs. (man power exports and donations).

If your Bengaliyat so superior than Arabs then why do you follow a religin that circle around Arab land scape? Assuming you know the fact that Nabi(s.w.s) was actually Arabs.

By the way, what your parent named you. "Doyal das" instead of "Abdul rehman" or something.

Think from the angle of Quranic languge with respect to your hindu originated Bangla script then it may make some sense to your hindu gene.

I guess then all Christians in India and Bangladesh should be loyal to the Vatican and not to their nations, as per your logic. And all Budhhists right upto Japan should be be tattooes of Nepal where Gautama Buddha as Sirdhartha was born, or to India (Bodh Gaya) where the Buddha achieved Nirvana.

Taking a religion is avowing to a set of religious practice to bring meaning to life. It does not mean enslaving oneself to the race where the religion emanated. Religion has nothing to do with Race.

If it were so, then all Christians the world over would be Arabs or Israelis since Jesus was born in Bethlehem!

Why should Bangladeshis or anyone have to be slaves to the Arabs because they go and work there? Are the Bangladeshis getting anything free? They are working to get the money and no one is doing them or anyone else a favour. Obviously, you have the gulam mentality wherein if someone throws you a crumb after slogging the hell out of you, you will do salaam backwards out of sheer gratitude that someone has thrown a crumb in your direction, for all the hard work put it and feel that your hard work is due to them since they are your owner!!

What a totally co,ckeyed logic.

I can expect better post from you. Allthough I disagree with you on many issues but always respect your knowlege when comes to history, especially Muslim parts.

Why don't you talk about Musalmani Bangla that once spoken by our forefather and how much diffrent it was from the Tagorized Bangla that we speak now in Bangladesh. Do you not think that if we adop Arabic/Persian script then it will be easy to restore our forefather languge and Bangaldesh would be a diffrent entity from West Bengal.

I hope you read what is Musalmani Bangla and why the distinction was brought in. But obviously, you would have failed to observe the subtlety since you apparently have that gulam mentality and feel that all that the superior race states is Divine message!

You mean you do not about Musalmani Bangla and you are a Bangladeshi muslim.

One would rather forget to learn the mechanisms used to enslave others.

By the way, are you an Arab? Do you have Arab blood? To have non local blood or pretending to be a part of a foreign lot in bloodline is nothing to be proud of!

 

[toxic_pus]

The effort was too fast and a day came when after about a century Rabindra Nath Thakur won a Nobel Prize for Bengali literature.

Tagore won Nobel for English literature, not Bengali literature (surprise! surprise!).

The Nobel Prize in Literature 1913 was awarded to Rabindranath Tagore "because of his profoundly sensitive, fresh and beautiful verse, by which, with consummate skill, he has made his poetic thought, expressed in his own English words, a part of the literature of the West".

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It was his translation of Gitanjali, from Bengali to English, that got him the award.

PS: Unfortunately I have lost Suniti Kumar Chatterji's 'Origin and Development of the Bengali Language'.

 

[Maira La]

Think from the angle of Quranic languge with respect to your hindu originated Bangla script then it may make some sense to your hindu gene.

Extremist Alert!

You really hate non-muslims, don't you? I'd be proud to have some bangali Hindu, bangali Buddhist and bangali Christians genes, alongside the banglai Muslim genes. The perfect Bangali.

 

[Maira La]

It was his translation of Gitanjali, from Bengali to English, that got him the award.

Doesn't really matter to us why he got the award. Bangalis love him for his contribution to our sacred language, not because he got the Nobel Prize. We should have created our own award program to officially recognize our nation's literary and artistic talents.