Removal of Prof shows Pakistan has forgotten Jinnah’s view on Ahmadis: YLH

[BHarwana]

Professor of top economics schools in the world itself a something to reckon. He did his PHD from MIT, not many genius of a guy, has this privilege. In short, he knows every ABCD of economics. Most of such people usually work as consultant positions for an year or two or for a single project and move on to other assignments while they remain professors through out their lives. Now if you think, required experience for any Pakistani adviser should be minimum 'minister-ship' than lets leave the topic here.

When did MIT became top for Economics? What am I missing here?

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

What papers just 26. I have written more threads than him here on PDF. So should I be the advisor? Lol. Strange logic.
He is not an economist but an economic teacher in a third grade institute.

Man what the hell you are comparing. What's wrong with you ? beta you need sleep. Go and have one.

When did MIT became top for Economics? What am I missing here?

you are not missing anything. you are just trolling just for the sake of it and you are not realizing how stupid your posts have been lately

 

[BHarwana]

Man what the hell you are comparing. What's wrong with you ? beta you need sleep. Go and have one.

Beta I am talking logic. He is professor in MIT then make him head of department in Punjab university that will be upgrade of job for him.

My post are not stupid @Salza you have no answer for me. He has no economic management experience. Go to rozi.com every add will ask you for experience of minimum 5 years.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

He has no economic management experience

Nor he required one. That is Asad Umer job requirement. Atif was included as an adviser only. What ever Atif would had advised, that was up to Asad Umer to implement if he feels like. Enough of my discussion with you.

 

[BHarwana]

Nor he required one. That is Asad Umer job requirement. Atif was included as an adviser only. What ever Atif would had advised, that was up to Asad Umer to implement if he feels like. Enough of my discussion with you.

So why are you giving Asad Umer advisor with no experience? Atif Mian is not even head of his department he is just a professor with 26 articles. At least bring the head of department from those universities.

 

[Yaseen1]

good he is removed and its affects are positive as govt again decided not to increase gas price after atif mian is kicked out.economics is not a science and replacement is very easily available in this field.study of economics is very easy and simple as compared to scientific knowledge for which huge budget is required for developing research site and experimentation in universities.economists are widely and easily available in this world as compared to scientists so i think atif mian ouster cannot affect our progress but will make us more better

So why are you giving Asad Umer advisor with no experience? Atif Mian is not even head of his department he is just a professor with 26 articles. At least bring the head of department from those universities.

economic education can do nothing if there is no technological advancement .the problem is we should focus on gaining technology.our economy will automatically become good.the knowledge of economics is widely available in Pakistan and atif mian is not required here.he has worked for imf which is responsible of poverty in this world so it is unwise to expect from him better performance for poors.he will only benefit rich capitalists

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@BHarwana

I have written more threads than him here on PDF. So should I be the advisor?

Of course, PDF can appoint you as its Economic Advisor. I have no issues with that.

Regards

 

[BHarwana]

@BHarwana

I have written more threads than him here on PDF. So should I be the advisor?

Of course, PDF can appoint you as its Economic Advisor. I have no issues with that.

Regards

I am good what I am I don't need any upgrade. I am satisfied with my current status.

 

[Imtiaz Hassan]

Leave this "holier than thou" approach at the door. I know Pakistan isn't perfect when it comes to things like these...but India is just as guilty even though it claims to be "secular".

Do u have anything constructive to talk about? Or u just here to chest thump and score some brownie points?

Indian hypocrisy at its finest

This was indeed very disappointing from PTI. They should have never caved in to pressure

 

[Trango Towers]

@BHarwana

Which economy has he pulled out of trouble previously?

What about the other 12 or so economists on the panel. Have they pulled any economy out of trouble. If that is not an issue with them, why is Atif mian an issue?

Face it, it is about the religion.

Regards

Are you Ahmadi???? Why are you on your high horse

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@snow lake

FWIW, I am a Hindu. I am not on a high horse, I am merely the Sole Spokesman of the Sole Spokesman of the Sole Spokesman.

Regards

 

[Trango Towers]

@snow lake

FWIW, I am a Hindu.

Regards

That makes sense

 

[SQ8]

The following is based on my knowledge, interactions and analysis alone and is not claimed to be anything else.

Followers of Mirza of Qadiyan are like most Pakistanis, good and bad. Falsely painted by the article they arent all martyrs, but correctly painted by the article is that the chameleon Mullahs’s who are represented by the many turbans were and are enemies of Pakistan.

Allama Iqbal took his stance because he realized that the true manipulator of the leadership of this group are the British and it is to this day as well.

This group is NOT the only one with influencers outside of Pakistan but is one with majority controlled by influences outside of Pakistan.

Are they a priority threat like Khadim Rizvi? No.
Are they an evolutionary issue and one that has on occasion advised badly for Pakistan at the behest of another country.. YES.

So from a Pakistani perspective, they are not a priority nor deserve special attention like many other fringe religious ideals operating in the country.

From a Muslim perspective and specifically where the finality of the Prophet is concerned. I disagree where the ignorant and less informed have suggested Hazrat Abu Bakr’s approach on dealing with false claims on Prophethood since his analysis took into consideration a newly formed and newly “orphaned” faith that needed protection from fraud.

Today Islam has over 1.5 billion followers of which 1 billion would likely kill each other due to differences in interpretation if given enougn prodding bu the same uninformed Mullah Iqbal wrote about.

But, the Quran is absolute and unquestionable- regardless of twists to Arabic the finality of Prophet Sayidinnah Mohammad Ibn Abdullah of Quraysh (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم)is part of both belief and faith.
Any person who claims otherwise is in MY opinion not someone I can stand behind in prayer. This can be anyone and is not specific to any group such as the followers of Mirza of Qadiyan.

But what does this translate into as a majority opinion on Muslims?
Many of the groups that tend to transgress this keystone of faith are themselves VERY confused on what their sect or faction believes in.

Core followers will state something and the fringe ones something different.
Core beliefs change too.
So the only way to actually address the situation is that instead of pointing out a group, the required edict is enshrined:


There is no other Prophet of god after Mohammed ibn Abdullah
(صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم)

Instead of naming one group, this applies to all Pakistanis from every group and sect as the check for Muslim.

You can tick this and that is the end of anyone giving you any certifications afterwards.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

The following is based on my knowledge, interactions and analysis alone and is not claimed to be anything else.

Followers of Mirza of Qadiyan are like most Pakistanis, good and bad. Falsely painted by the article they arent all martyrs, but correctly painted by the article is that the chameleon Mullahs’s who are represented by the many turbans were and are enemies of Pakistan.

Allama Iqbal took his stance because he realized that the true manipulator of the leadership of this group are the British and it is to this day as well.

This group is NOT the only one with influencers outside of Pakistan but is one with majority controlled by influences outside of Pakistan.

Are they a priority threat like Khadim Rizvi? No.
Are they an evolutionary issue and one that has on occasion advised badly for Pakistan at the behest of another country.. YES.

So from a Pakistani perspective, they are not a priority nor deserve special attention like many other fringe religious ideals operating in the country.

From a Muslim perspective and specifically where the finality of the Prophet is concerned. I disagree where the ignorant and less informed have suggested Hazrat Abu Bakr’s approach on dealing with false claims on Prophethood since his analysis took into consideration a newly formed and newly “orphaned” faith that needed protection from fraud.

Today Islam has over 1.5 billion followers of which 1 billion would likely kill each other due to differences in interpretation if given enougn prodding bu the same uninformed Mullah Iqbal wrote about.

But, the Quran is absolute and unquestionable- regardless of twists to Arabic the finality of Prophet Sayidinnah Mohammad Ibn Abdullah of Quraysh (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم)is part of both belief and faith.
Any person who claims otherwise is in MY opinion not someone I can stand behind in prayer. This can be anyone and is not specific to any group such as the followers of Mirza of Qadiyan.

But what does this translate into as a majority opinion on Muslims?
Many of the groups that tend to transgress this keystone of faith are themselves VERY confused on what their sect or faction believes in.

Core followers will state something and the fringe ones something different.
Core beliefs change too.
So the only way to actually address the situation is that instead of pointing out a group, the required edict is enshrined:


There is no other Prophet of god after Mohammed ibn Abdullah
(صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم)

Instead of naming one group, this applies to all Pakistanis from every group and sect as the check for Muslim.

You can tick this and that is the end of anyone giving you any certifications afterwards.

The question which then rises for the state is how best to deal with or treat the ones that do not accept this? That is whats going on isn't it? They refuse to be accepted as minority and State refuses to grant them the status they desire.

 

[ranawat]

https://theprint.in/opinion/insulti...has-forgotten-jinnahs-view-on-ahmadis/114362/

Atif Mian, the great Princeton economist who was unceremoniously removed from his position on Imran Khan government’s Economic Advisory Council, is not the one who lost out. It is Pakistan’s loss.

The story of Pakistan’s Ahmadis starts long before the creation of the country. The Ahmaddiya Movement that started as a response to Christian missionary efforts in the late 19th century found many admirers amongst other Muslim sects. Allama Iqbal, the renowned Muslim philosopher, was an admirer of the founder of the Ahmadi movement and is rumoured to have joined it for a while as well before turning viciously vehemently and vociferously against it. Maulana Azad, the great Islamic scholar, considered the Ahmadis to be “Ghulat” i.e. a group that has transgressed the boundaries of divine faith but nonetheless is reported to have mourned the death of the founder of the Ahmadi movement.

When the Muslim League and Congress turned into bitter enemies in the late 1930s, Ahmadis soon became the subject of this tussle. Even though Jawaharlal Nehru had defended Ahmadis in a public exchange with Iqbal, Congress through Maulana Azad actively encouraged the anti-Ahmadi group Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, led by fanatics like Ataullah Shah Bukhari and Azhar Ali Mazhar, to attack the Muslim League for having Ahmadis amongst its members.

There was an Iqbalian group within the Punjab chapter of the Muslim League that wanted Ahmadis out as well. They tried to introduce an oath that would require every elected member to work to get Ahmadis declared Non-Muslim. At this point, Jinnah intervened and resisted. The Punjab Muslim League’s oath was quietly shelved.

Jinnah unequivocally assured Ahmadis that they would be treated at par with any other Muslim sect. Jinnah himself was from a minority sect within Islam, and was mindful of the fact that this would open a can of worms that would damage Muslim solidarity like no other question. Jinnah’s close confidante and colleague was Zafarullah Khan, a leading Ahmadi lawyer, whose memo became the basis of Lahore Resolution. Majlis-e-Ahrar and even Maulana Madani of Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind continued to denounce Jinnah not just for his Westernised lifestyle but for having Ahmadis as his close advisers and as employees of his newspaper Dawn.

Principled stance
Ahmadis were not the only target of their wrath. When Jinnah appointed Pothan Joseph, a Syrian Christian, as the editor of Dawn, Maulana Madani denounced it saying that Jinnah was a secularist and unfit to lead the Muslims. In May 1944, when Jinnah went to Kashmir, he was inundated with queries about the Ahmadis, especially the Qadiani subsect of the group. On 23 May 1944, Jinnah said that Muslim League was open to all Muslims and that his advice was not to raise such sectarian issues because it would hurt not just Muslims but all communities in Kashmir and India.

It was because of this principled stance that Ahmadis threw in their lot with Jinnah and the Muslim League.

Jinnah’s other main supporter was Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood, the 2ndCaliph of the Ahmaddiya Community and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s son. In 1946 elections, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood advised all of his followers to vote en masse for the Muslim League. During Partition, Mahmood moved his entire body of followers to Pakistan. When the Kashmir war broke out between Pakistan and India, it was the Ahmadi community that cooperated with the Pakistan Army and set up Furqan Battalion comprising entirely of Ahmadi youth to fight alongside the Pakistan Army in Kashmir. The services of the Battalion were recognised and there is a letter from the Pakistan Army praising their services.

Zafarullah Khan, a barrister, had been a president of the Muslim League in the 1930s. His direct association with Jinnah came during the roundtable conferences. Jinnah called him a Muslim and praised his efforts in negotiating a trade deal for India in 1939. It was Zafarullah who represented United India in the inaugural sessions of the UN. Later, Jinnah acquired his services as a lawyer to represent Muslim League at the boundary commission hearings in Punjab, a job that even Zafarullah’s opponents praised him for.

Since Zafarullah was also the advisor to the Nawab of Bhopal, Jinnah wrote to the Nawab to release him from his duties because he was needed as a wise and trustworthy lieutenant. To M.A.H. Ispahani in New York, Jinnah wrote that there was no person more able and talented than Zafarullah who was needed in Pakistan immediately. In December 1947, Zafarullah returned to Pakistan to become its first foreign minister. Despite considerable pressure, Jinnah didn’t budge even an inch. At that time, Jinnah was also criticised for inducting a Scheduled Caste Hindu as Pakistan’s first law minister –Jogendra Nath Mandal. After Jinnah died, Mandal was ultimately driven out of the government in 1950. However on Zafarullah Khan, the government remained steadfast.

More victims
Majlis-e-Ahrar, now having re-grouped after its pre-Partition defeat, started a nationwide movement to oust Zafarullah from the government and to declare Ahmadis Non-Muslim. Prime Minister Khawaja Nazimuddin, a Jinnah loyalist from East Pakistan, refused to accede even though he personally had no love for Ahmadis or their doctrine.

Ahmadis thus continued to enjoy the privileges as equal citizens including the right to identify as Muslims. Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s leading physicist and scientist, joined the Pakistan government and founded the Pakistani space agency. Under his guidance, Pakistan became one of the few countries in Asia to send a satellite into space in early 1960s. He also founded Pakistan’s atomic energy commission and trained a generation of Pakistani physicists. He was the Chief Science Advisor in the Pakistan government till September 1974 when he resigned in protest over the 2nd Constitutional Amendment brought by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s Pakistan Peoples Party government to appease the Mullahs. Pakistan’s National Assembly had just voted to declare the entire Ahmadi community out of the fold of Islam. Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam and Jamaat-e-Islami had finally won. Meanwhile, Salam went on to win the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979.

One more victim of this policy was Mirza Muzaffar Ahmad, another Ahmadi educated at Oxford University. A leading civil servant, he opted for Pakistan in 1947. He was Pakistan’s most successful secretary of finance and later went on to become the chief advisor. In 1971, he was stabbed by a religious fanatic called Aslam Qureshi after which he joined the World Bank, living out the rest of his life in Washington DC. Qureshi became an instant hero to the anti-Ahmadi groups in Pakistan and it was none other than Senator Zafarul Haq of Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PMLN) who organised his legal defence and then used his disappearance as an excuse to get General Zia ul Haq to promulgate the infamous Ordinance XX of 1984, which outlaws religious practice and freedom of the Ahmadis.

Downward graph
The list is long of Ahmadis who tried to serve Pakistan but were murdered in cold blood.

Ahmadis have served the country on the battlefield as well, often without recognition. Major General Iftikhar Janjua, for example, was for the longest time the only Pakistani general to die in battle for Pakistan. Then there were heroes like General Abdul Ali Malik and his brother General Akhtar Ali Malik. Abdul Ali Malik won the famous tank battle of Chawinda. Akhtar Ali Malik is said to have been on verge of taking Kashmir when Ayub Khan removed him from command replacing him with Yahya Khan, who was a poor military tactician. Pakistan Air Force too had many heroes, including Air Marshal Zafar Chaudhry. Ahmadis built Pakistan, and helped it survived.

The downward graph of Pakistan has interestingly followed Ahmadis’ marginalisation. This is not because Ahmadis are the only ones talented but because their marginalisation has also meant the end of meritocracy in Pakistan.

Pakistan will continue to lose unless it reverts to Jinnah’s wise words that religion caste or creed has nothing to do with the business of the state.

Regards

Mullas had field day .