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Rawalpindi | Gentlemen, it’s time

Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani chairs a meeting with top commanders on Thursday. Gen Kayani vowed to secure a decisive victory over the Taliban, as Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani ordered the army to eliminate the terrorists once and for all. :pakistan:

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Lets hope because terrorists and their collaborators won't just give up that easily and more so, the ones coming from across the border, also need to be dealt with.
 
We also need to decide about the ones that have been living for the last three decades.
 
they have to take the strong action against Raw WHO invade in our land from Afghanistan , Mossad , CIA + their all assets which is working for them .

Go ahead PAKISTAN ARMY crush them all.
 
Hi,


The monster has grown by a thousand fold. I believe the order is a little too late---and what has come out in the news---still no massive troop movement in the area to clear up the hornets nest.

I am not jumping on the band wagon at this moment.
 
Hi,


The monster has grown by a thousand fold. I believe the order is a little too late---and what has come out in the news---still no massive troop movement in the area to clear up the hornets nest.

I am not jumping on the band wagon at this moment.

MK - as a policy, the army does not disclose the whereabouts of its formations, let alone their movement to anyone - i would just mention on the open forum that "mobilization" is taking place since the govt. gave the order! whether the order is late or not, we will just have to wait it out - this is the final push!:enjoy:we need the unfettered support of all pakistanis!:pakistan:
 
I am worried is that like all previous PA adventures, GOP will bow to the pressure of people such as Imran Khan and call off the action before the objectives of complete elimination of Taliban from the Swat Valley has been achieved? Does the current PPP leadership have spine to withstand this pressure? We shall have to wait and see.

Imran Khan was a very good cricketer and also did an excellent job building a cancer hospital in Lahore. However he has been in political doldrums for last 15 or so years and is desperate to score political brownie points with the right wing public. Imran Khan has no political mandate; he is also not known for his intellectual prowess, why then is he given so much free TV time to criticize army action?

I heard Imran doing so again on “Meray mutabiq” last night. It appears that Geo TV and Dr Shahid Massoud are still partial to Taliban. Firstly we see people such as Hamid Gul and Imran Khan appear far too often on his program. Secondly, as an anchor, Dr could have asked Imran to choose between letting Swat be ruled as an independent Taliban state or use all force to establish GOP writ. Instead Dr Sahib let Imran go on with his tirade wherein Imran claimed that this action in Swat was only due to US Pressure. Isn’t this carrying right of the expressing your opinion too far?

In any country, when it comes to the interests of the State, there are limitations. For example on the world famous Marble speakers’ corner, one is not allowed to criticize the Queen.

It appears that many bigoted politicians are yet to realize that all other options have already been exhausted and now it is war of Pakistan’s survival as a State? It so happens that US and Pakistanis interests are the same at this point in time.
 
Don't go so dramatic for me and then say you seek the total elimination of the taliban in the SWAT valley only?

Uh...Korrum, Khyber, N.A., the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, and eastern Baluchistan await this operation or feel free to go after those locations simultaneous to Buner and SWAT.

There are taliban EVERYWHERE and if chopping heads is too revulsive for SWAT and Buner, so too for the rest of your country and Afghanistan to boot. You cannot see Omar and his merry men as "good taliban". They will submit Afghanistan, AGAIN, to the same misery that you've seen so clearly now in SWAT and BUNER.

If America and ISAF are successful to any degree this summer, there will be rats scattering all across southern Afghanistan from Farah through Nimroz and Helmand to Kandahar. Not all but some will certainly head south to seek sanctuary if matters prove too hot for them. I don't know how the Iranians feel about the taliban but I've understood it's not well so I doubt that the lads in Farah and Nimroz will go in that direction. There's little doubt about those in Helmand and Kandahar though. Marine Commandant Conway and Gen. Kayani have already had discussions to that effect.

I'm hoping Pakistan understands that if it's your war, it's also the war of others in Afghanistan. The enemy is common and there is no "good" and "bad" taliban. Nor can Haqqani and Hekmatyar be viewed any differently than Omar.

They are all enemies of mankind. It can't be any more plain and must be treated as such. This will be long and hard but we hope that you'll help defeat this scourge.

I do anyway. God bless you and good luck reclaiming SWAT and Buner. May they be the first in this march to transform Pakistan into the future.

Think of all that must be for this to work. We KNOW what's required and in more or less what priority/order. It'll be such a good thing to bring these conditions about.
 
Hi,

Here is the bottomline---chop my head off for saying it---.

It is rumored that pakistan has been forced to sign agreement to give passage to india for sending its goods to afghanistan---if such is the case then I don't trust Kiyani and his team. He has been wined and dined in the u s a little too much. It has been under his watch that the taliban moved into swat and waziristan and he sat there looking pretty.

Has my motherland been sold one more time for some vanity.

Many a years since 9/11 I single handedly made a fool of myself on public forums, in front of friends, in public gatherings---any place and in any forum---if someone could listen to me---I talked about the menace of alqaeda and taliban that they will bring to the community where they would seek refuge---and all but a few made fun of me---they joked about me on my face---they made jokes about me on my back---.

Do I feel vindicated today---absolutely not---. The fools in pakistan and abroad have have put us at the mercy of power players who have no sympathy left for us.
 
"It is rumored that pakistan has been forced to sign agreement to give passage to india for sending its goods to afghanistan---if such is the case then I don't trust Kiyani and his team."

No foreign government has made Pakistan supplicant except the exiled taliban government of Afghanistan. On all else Pakistan has remained a rock of sovereign pride. So with that wee tad of selective application directed at ripping the heart from the afghani people, we can be assured that no goods will slip the Wakan corridor without a princely tariff until such time as relations between India and Pakistan fully normalize.

If true, plenty of revenue for Pakistan and nothing goes through which you don't wish. If not, much ado about nothing. Brace yourself, M.K. I think you've little choice but to ride this out, bring forth a stable Afghanistan and flip your national narrative around.

The only way Pakistan ever competes with India is should you reverse your economic prospects. To do so, you must transform your country. Sort of a win or lose all prospect to my mind as without transformation of your society that enables you to mobilize the full range of human potential, Pakistan will only pepetuate more of the same. More of the same means what you have today-utter misery.

Time for the massive paradigm shift and accompanying leap of faith into the great unknown. If you and NATO are successful, you totally blow central asia over the top.:agree:

Then who'll give a sh!t about some Indian trucks through the Wakan corridor? Big deal.
 
I've just a point to make clear to S-2 respectively...though the situations are different..How long did it take to end Civil war? 4 years right? just vs unjust...
here we are fighting monsters created and funded by well we know it very well.
So its Forces vs lunatic terrorists how long do you think the areas you mentioned would it take to sweep all Talibans 4 years? consider the environment during civil war the weaponry and communications and vice versa and consider the present situation talibans their offshore funds weaponry, communications....Such Operations don't end like the American video games in 2 days..
 
read understood and heard babbling for the last 8 years..
Writing is only boring to the people who are boring themselves.
 
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You babble.

Read more. Write less.

Thanks.

And you really think that is going to change anything... Does it ever :azn:


Joining the discussion late, so now that we are supporting the army whole-heartedly, any updates on what it has been able to achieve — the press is briefed by the ISPR every day but there is there any statement on the collective toll. If the Taliban in total are round about 7,000 and they kill on an average 150 Taliban every day, can one expect a 10 per cent reduction in their strength in the last week alone?

Don't want to be an instigator here or dissolute this discussion but what exactly is the army telling us... I doubt its operations in the Frontier province. How can one of the most highly-trained armies not take over a rag-tag army made of illiterate and untrained men (that's my view, which I gather has been echoed a gazillion times on this forum but see no harm in iterating it).

Fatman 17 why won't the army be disclosing its movements or formations. It does release images of its movements everyday, some which seem staged. Secondly, this situation has moved from push to shove. Futile attempts to win the government's writ back or win the battle to win the hearts and minds of the hundreds thousands displaced. When they were unable to nip the evil in the bud can they now use strength to achieve the same?
 

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