Quaid’s monument to be demolished in Peshawar

[RescueRanger]

I can't say much but monuments/statues/idols are haram in Islam! and Pakistan being an Islamic state should demolish everyone of it as it was done by our Prophet (P.B.U.H).

 

[Sedqal]

I can't say much but monuments/statues/idols are haram in Islam! and Pakistan being an Islamic state should demolish everyone of it as it was done by our Prophet (P.B.U.H).

So you are in favor of what Taliban did to Buddhas of Bamiyan?

 

[RescueRanger]

So you are in favor of what Taliban did to Buddhas of Bamiyan?

I think he. Every time i read such silly statements like the comment from Mr. Sher Malang this is what i am reminded of:
She's a witch! - YouTube

 

[Spring Onion]

How is Bacha Khan seen in Pakistan by Non-Pashtuns obviously?

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha by all except few who use his name for political reasons.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

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I don't think this is the past and it is a mistake if we accept Luffy's reality to be OUR reality. Also Luffy... i need a source for your figures. The figures on votes for Pakistan Muslim League in Pakhtunkhwa as stated in Jaswant Singhs book are far different from your statistics though i believe you are not talking about the election. I will try to post them here sometime but can’t get access to the book (remember rough figures from before)... it showed a substantial Muslim League victory in elections.

Its you who need to read some basic books about pakistan movement. Heck on PF i noticed that you even dont know the text book material about Pakistan history.....lol muslim never win any election in NWFP.....jinnah dissolved khudai khidmatgar's provincial governament after independence stating no reason and enforced muslim league government, quite undemocratic step by our baba-e-qaum.

Similarly there was a quashing of the Khudai Khidmatgars (by a Pashtun himself!) by Abdul Qayyum Khan soon after partition and it was used to claim that a genocide or suppression of Pashtuns had taken place "by Pakistan," by modern day separatists or Afghans (Nation).

You need to study more , sardar abdul qayyum khan was ethnic kashmiri not pashtun......

Also if you look at history it is entirely true that the Pashtun nation (Old-day Afghanistan) and Mughals were at war almost constantly but this has developed very deep ethnic overtones due to our “loving neighbours” and a number of things are grossly ignored for various reasons... particularly to draw parallels between Afghanistan and Pakistan today and put them at loggerheads when they could be friends (can’t today because of the attitude of Afghanistan-but was possible-a union was suggested by both alama iqbal and Chaudhry rehmat ali of now or never but our neighbors too headstrong)

You need to study more and read now and never carefully. Chaudry rehmat ali and iqbal never suggested any union between afghanistan and future pakistan. Afghanistan was independent country like iran, pakistan movement was all about liberation of hindi muslims.

Have you heard of Rehman Baba, the poet? He lived his life in Peshawar as a very loyal subject of Mughals. Have you heard of Yousuf Khan and Sherbano? The legend takes place in Mughal territory and Yousuf Khan becomes a general in the Mughal army which consisted of 80% Pashtuns. That my friend is ALSO a part of PASHTUN culture not just war, war, war with Mughals. Muhabbat Khan, Salim Khan, Arbaz Khan all were Mughal generals leading their armies and were Pashtuns. They are also our history, PASHTUN history... not just the prowess of the Afghan nation.

But did rehman baba joined mughal ranks? plz dont bring sufi person like him into this debate, sufis dont do jihad or play with swords or do politics....
I agree with you my pashtun nation was never short of opportunists. it was daulat khan lodhi who invited babur to overthrow his nephew ibrahim lodhi. Half of babur army consisted of zamand and khesgi pashtuns, it was salim khan zamand the badbakht who beheaded ibrahim lodhi.........but do you know what happened to family of this traitor daulat khan lodhi?....his family was given position in mughal court but were always viewed with suspicion , for precaution jahnagir killed his grandson khan jahan lodhi , who was member of his court, for no reason then he slaughtered his entire lodhi family and mughal soldiers raped their women.
While mohamands, orakzais, bajauris, yousafzais, wazirs, afridis etc were always fighting against british invaders, khattaks and niazis joined ranked of the enemies against their own pashtuns.

I am not saying do not be proud of Khushal Khan Khattak or Ghaznavi or Mirwais Hotak... they are Pashtuns (and Pakistani Pashtuns making 70-80% of all Pashtuns have a larger share of that history than anyone from Afghanistan) but how is this being used by people like Luffy? For example it was said by Afghan (country) monkeys no Pashtun can be Pakistani as all are Afghans... meaning total hypocrisy... accepting Afghanistan in its national sense and ethnic sense to blackmail Pashtuns-very often used to insult Pakistan but since Afghan supposed=Pashtuns. So its used to widen a divide, create a chasm... to invoke altered or incomplete history to cause a war of ethnicity in Pakistan? Why? After all Afghanistan has Hazaras Tajiks and Uzbeks. They accept them as Afghans but try to divide Pakistani Pashtuns from Pakistan?

I dont agree with you, jinnah told us to discard our ethnic identities along with histories associated with them for sake of one pakistani identity....a pakistani pashtun should only be concerned with sir syed Ahmed khan, sir agha khan, ali brothers, rehmat ali , iqbal , iaqat ali khan etc......unfortunately i dont agree with jinnah and i wont discard my 4000 years old pashtun/afghan identity.....yesterday we were with durrani empire, british empire, today we are with pakistan tomorrow we might be in some new country, so it is foolish to discard your langauge , culture and ethnic identity for identity of hindi muslims of ganga jamna.

So basically to give the Afghanistan vs Mughal narrative more meaning and in turn using it today (this is being done) to direct the Pashtuns vs Pakistan narrative. According to them Afghanistan is a Pashtun superstate-even though we in Pakistan have twice as many Pashtuns as them 30 million < in Pak>-14 million <in Afg> and almost all Pashtun heroes were born on our lar side of durand line! Also not counting that Tajiks Uzbeks and Hazaras make a larger proportion of the Afghan army than Pashtuns themselves, infact they are being kicked out-to stop green on blue attacks many have been laid off and figures say 80-90% were Pashtuns!!!

It doesnt matter if we have twice the number of pashtuns than afghanistan, in a century a two paksitani pashtuns would definately become like irfan pathan if they remained pakistanis.....let me add an interesting information, if you check district gazetteer of attock 1901, its pashtuns were proper pashto speakers....in just 100 years they lost pashto because of cultural and linguistic pressure of punjabi due to their geographical location in punjab......

Also Amir Abdur Rehman Khan, “the iron amir” basically sat with the British and partitioned the land on a whim. He threw away the south just to save Kabul from being captured by Britain? Do they really give a damn about the south? Luffy will be very sad when the Afghans tell him to go back and get lost from Afghanistan as he is a traitor as if 1893 agreement was his fault (this has happened to people-Pashtuns I know when they went to the British for help against British Empire before 1947)... he is by all means a stateless person who refused to become Pakistani but will never be accepted as "Afghan" both in the ethnic and national sense. One can only feel pity for him and ALSO BLAME OURSELVES for failing to ensure he integrated.

you are such a drama queen.

Za Pakistani yam. Za Pashtun yam (and I have every right to call myself that having done everything to learn the culture and language-not just that promote it!) and zama watan Pakistan da aw lh hagha srah meena laram!!!... Also do note that this knowledge about Pashtuns about 90% Pashtuns (mostly from Pakistan) don’t even possess which makes us very culpable of falling victim to rubbish from not just from Luffy but people who are much more openly hateful to Pakistan than him. Those who possess it are usually Afghan (Nation) ***-kissers and a number of others I met on the forum. This gives them a natural advantage upon 99% patriotic Pakistani Pashtuns who lack that knowledge and as a result it can lead to being influenced ... I have seen it... my parents don’t know much about Pakistan on account of living outside. Their knowledge comes mainly from relatives in Pakistan and when they see them voting on ethnic basis and talking about other ethnic groups invading Karachi they obviously adopt the same rubbish.

You need to understand that patriotic pakistani pashtuns like abu zulfiqar, hyperion, taimi khan etc dont need to be knowledgeable about pashtuns. They are institutionalized pashtuns, who considered themselves only and only pakistani and consider pashtun-centric talks as dangerous for solidarity and unity of pakistani nation.....discussion about pashtuns is actually disgusting for them, they are like those guys you see in peshawer who paints their faces green, wear green and make noises on their bikes on 14th august.

The idea of Pakistan is not to create a supra-urdu speaking culture[/B] (something MQM supporting Muhajirs will never accept) but it is to make a country that gels and is united. All our cultures, all our histories are Pakistani history and cultures. This makes our country so culturally and historically rich much more so than the people of Afghanistan will ever be.

Dont know about culture but you cant surpass afghanistan in terms of history as long as pakistani deny its hindic history and tie its history with afghan, turk and arab muslim invaders.

The thing is history is basically told (with very natural bias) by the one who knows it and has the ability to make judgement on the past. A lot of us don't know history... as a result we are forced to listen to history as the BNP, ANP or MQM would tell us... those who study on their own and make their minds for themselves can be challengers. Luffy idolizes the ANP and is sympathetic to seperatism and Pashtunistan though he has said he does not directly support it. The only way to beat these guys is beat them at history... but i fear luffy does know more than most Pashtuns here, thus Astanosh he may concoct whatever history he wishes (because as I said he may not even count people like Abdur Rab Nishtar who he sees as traitors or be too pleased with Sher Khan or Lalak Jan's sacrifice for Pakistan)[/B]

Dont you see, for super pakistanis like astonish khan abdul rab nishter or karnal sher khan are only pakistanis, they dont care about ethnic identity of these personalities...you cant expect them to have more knowledge about pashtuns than me because they are not interested pashtun stuff.

 

[Spring Onion]

I can't say much but monuments/statues/idols are haram in Islam! and Pakistan being an Islamic state should demolish everyone of it as it was done by our Prophet (P.B.U.H).

Afghanistan is also an Islamic country lets start with Bamyan

 

[RescueRanger]

You need to understand that patriotic pakistani pashtuns like abu zulfiqar, hyperion, taimi khan etc dont need to be knowledgeable about pashtuns. They are institutionalized pashtuns, who considered themselves only and only pakistani and consider pashtun-centric talks as dangerous for solidarity and unity of pakistani nation.....discussion about pashtuns is actually disgusting for them, they are like those guys you see in peshawer who paints their faces green, wear green and make noises on their bikes on 14th august.

Lol, just listen to yourself. If you are that proud of your own heritage, feel free to renounce your Pakistani Nationality anytime. There is a procedure for it: Pakistani nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hyperion]

@Monkey D Luffy, stop pretending you are a Pakistani or a Pashtun! I'm dead sure that you are a second generation Afghan war refugee or at best a quasi Pashtun with some decent knowledge about your benefactors who gave you shelter and you learned how to communicate with local references.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Lol, just listen to yourself. If you are that proud of your own heritage, feel free to renounce your Pakistani Nationality anytime. There is a procedure for it: Pakistani nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are implying that there is no place for a proud pashtun in pakistan, he has to renounce his pak nationality and go to afghanistan.
Dude our sense of patriotism is different from you people. We are loyal and sincere by nature, we dont need to paint our faces green, sing mili naghmay to prove our patriotism.

 

[RescueRanger]

You are implying that there is no place for a proud pashtun in pakistan, he has to renounce his pak nationality and go to afghanistan.
Dude our sense of patriotism is different from you people. We are loyal and sincere by nature, we dont need to paint our faces green, sing mili naghmay to prove our patriotism.

My great great grandfather was a Barakzai and his name is recorded in the Royal Archives of Afghanistan:
Barak2

But my family immigrated to what is now Pakistan, and my father was born in Rawalpindi and was I and that makes me PAKISTANI, regardless of my cultural/ethnic background. I am proud to say, that i can see beyond the pale veil of ethnic/cultural differences to the real strength of our nationality.

I have made it clear, that if you do not feel any affinity with Pakistan or its values and you cannot celebrate the independence of Pakistan, the creation of our identity. Then you are welcome to denounce your identity and go live where is pleases you, no one is compelling you to live with those who paint their faces green and sing patriotic songs for the nation they love.

 

[Hyperion]

You are implying that there is no place for a proud pashtun in pakistan, he has to renounce his pak nationality and go to afghanistan.
Dude our sense of patriotism is different from you people. We are loyal and sincere by nature, we dont need to paint our faces green, sing mili naghmay to prove our patriotism.

Dude, I never painted my face green. I am a proud Pashtun and a Pakistani. Things haven't deteriorated to a level where my two ideologies have to be mutually exclusive. If such a time ever comes to pass and the federation of Pakistan has lost it's essence, we shall sit down and decide what to do next, we have occupied these lands before Pakistan or India, were, but a figment of imagination, however, now is not the right time to loose focus.

Pakistan gave us an identity, a sense of purpose.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

mujay jalao? Bacha khan was speaking in urdu in his last breaths? Who feed you these rediculous and funny stories, that zanakar imran khan?
Any how i have confirmed one thing from your post..you are not a pashtun, you are a hindkowan of peshawer...
And havi sultan wont agree with you that pashtun ethnic identity and pakhtunwali are afghanistan's. You are suggesting me to move to afghanistan if ethnic identity and pakhtunwali are so dear to me, you are implying that it is afghanistan which is homeland of pashtuns and is reservoir of pakhto and pakhtunwali. While there is no place for pakhtun cultural identity in pakistan...
I agree with you.

His assistants were mainly from India and he had to speak to them in Hindi (Urdu). If someone doesn't agree with your screwed up point of views doesn't mean you can label them Hindkowan and what not. And what has Imran Khan got to do with all this, seriously man you've got intense ethnic problems which makes you a racist (sorry to say). I'm Alhamdulillah a Pashtun - a proud one, and if I had been a Hindkown, a Muhajir, a Punjabi, a Sindhi or a Balochi or even a Kashmiri, I'd still have the same stance over Pakistan as I've it today of being a Pashtun. Anyway, why was Bacha Khan buried in Jalalabad instead of his native place Charsaddah? Speaking of Monuments and it's relation to Islam, why do we have a big statue of Bacha Khan in Charganu Chowk today?

 

[AstanoshKhan]

I can't say much but monuments/statues/idols are haram in Islam! and Pakistan being an Islamic state should demolish everyone of it as it was done by our Prophet (P.B.U.H).

Even though I'm no scholar etc and this is totally my personal POV but Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) destroyed the ones which were used for worshipping, while in our case in Pakistan it is not being used for worshipping. From Islamic perspective it is not good and should be avoided, but it is of no harm to anyone and it's only purpose is to keep the spirit of the Heroes alive hence it should not be demolished.

 

[Redbull]

The problem with you is that you are big talker but empty vessel. i have no admiration for weak person like you suffering from identity crisis with no self confidence to reveal his background. You deceived members of pashtun-forums with fake identity for months for sake of promotion of your unwritten book, a fraud like you doesn't deserve any respect.


You didnt make any sacrifices, you had to learn about us for sake of your book. But you didnt behaved like a learner, when you asked questions about pashtun culture, way of life, dress etc, you refused to accept my answers because you were viewing me as an enemy because of my pro-afghan views, you behaved similarly with afghans and instead of learning some thing about pashtuns there you wasted all of your time in arguing uselessly defending pakistan when you know that it is a norm there. By the way if you are not sure about your blood (lineage)


then why you tried to "adopt" pashtun ethnicity...you said you tried to adopt pashtun race......i have never heard that a race can be adopted, be proud of your original background marrha.

Pakistan nationalistic association? arooj khan was saying that must be jealous from you of you being head of this fantasy organization......


You surely are a big talker but i feel that you are emotionally very fragile.


lol are you making me symbol of some thing? i am flattered.



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I think that part closes the case, he is evidently anti-Pakistani and "Pro-Afghani" so why is he allowed to deceive with Pakistani flags?

Dude, even I don't agree with many Pakistani things but at least I'm not a hypocrite like you and actually changed the flag.

 

[Spring Onion]

You are implying that there is no place for a proud pashtun in pakistan, he has to renounce his pak nationality and go to afghanistan.
Dude our sense of patriotism is different from you people. We are loyal and sincere by nature, we dont need to paint our faces green, sing mili naghmay to prove our patriotism.

The proud Pakhtuns are all karnal sher Khans.

The fake ones are bacha khans.

As far as the nationality is concerned the Afghanistanis will lynch you just try to sneak into Afghanistan and try to get their CNIC.


ANP is seen there as party of Pakistan and its rightly so. The days of bacha khan stupidity are over.