Hi,
You have not answered the question---your mother or your baby daughter is dying of cancer---. Medicine is available and you have to pay an outrageous price for their survival---you have the money to pay---.
Write your decision---and that is your answer---.
About pakistan getting the weapons and all the goodies---if it had bought those weapons in a timely manner---there would be no issues---.
Rome was not built in a day---and neither are the military's acquisitions.
When you do not have surplus funds---then each and everything has to be procured in a timely manner and whatever hurdles are placed in the way have to be overcome---.
I am pretty sure that an astute and intelligent person like you would be doing as I suggest in your daily and everyday life---you started saving for retirement when you started working---if there was any hurdles that you came across---you paid Bakhsheesh / bribes to take care of the personal business---maybe if your children got sick---you paid too much for that one medicine that the doctor asked for---maybe you paid too much fees to the doctor as well.
The problem with you pakistanis is---that as long as it is for your welfare---you are fine with all the criminal and immoral activity---but when it comes to the security dealings of the nation---you become ' saints ' you become Pirs---you act like God's chosen ones---c'mon son---you are the most corrupt country in the world---.
You also have selective hearing and selective reading abilities like
@Darth Vader----. I guess like you---he did not know that PAF donated the money for around 72 F16's for the earthquake relief fund in 2005---and that money got looted and plundered by those in earthquake relief.
Most don't know that there were funds put aside every year to procure an aircraft once the sanctions came off---.
The money for the 40 mirages was also available during Zardaris regime----that is why the French were ready to deal and ready for the finals docs to be signed---.
You superstar and
@Darth Vader superstar would need to understand that no nation gets to sign the deal if the funds are not shown---.
The funds for the Gripen were also available---that is why paf tested it for 2 years---they had to show the swedes the available money to be allowed anywhere near the aircraft.
The funds for the Rafale were also avaiable when pakistan tested it for 1 year---pakistan had to show the french the funds to be given access to the aircraft.
It is only that the french got the whiff that the paks were not serious in buying their product but snooping around for he future JF17---the swedes found that out too late---and the Paf ACM lied that we could not absorb that technology---what a B S was that.
Paf did not buy those aircraft because Paf had assessed that there was no threat of hostilities any more from India---so they sold Gen Mushharaf on that idea-.
Gen Musharraf believed the Paf for awhile---but then he caught onto the Paf's lies and deceit and deception of the Paf---. When he found out that the Paf has chosen cowardice over bravery--defensive over offensive---he on his own ordered and signed a deal for 36 J10's---also cancelled the 4 swedish awacs and bought 4 chinese awacs.
Musharraf found that the Paf had no intentions anymore to be a dominant strike force---but wanted to get into the business of selling aircraft.
For that reason---the Paf sabotaged the procurement of the Rafale, Gripen and then the F16---..
Because if none of these aircraft were procured---there will be nothing left but to pursue the JF17---and pursue they did---.
And Paf officers will have lucrative jobs and contracts---.
I love it when people like you wake up from their slumber and want to participate---.
Welcome again and be productive---think out of the box---don't tow the company line---. Have vision and understand the IMPORTANCE OF TIME when talking about things dealing with military and military acquisitions.
Everything related to military is a ' slave ' to the time.
You super studs---why do you think that Paf is not going for the J10 B's and C's---it is not because they perform poor---it is for the reason that army forced it upon them---and paf has to prove that they are not upto par and that is why they won't get it---.
But if they got it---then some pilots would agree that the J10 is a deadly aircraft while others may tow the line of their bosses---and that would hurt the egos of the air force general staff---once their lies became public knowledge.
Hi,
What my pakistani brethren are not understanding about the procurement is the timeline----.
You can compare a sqdrn of aircraft to an army disivion---pretty similar in force projection.
In real terms---it takes from 3 to 5 years to get an army division ready for frontline battle standards.
So---when Paf got the Jprdanian F16's fully functional and ready---it increased their power projection by an active and fully functional battle ready army division within the 60 days it took to from getting the first to the 14th or 18th aircraft from Jordan.
If Paf were to buy them new---it would have taken them 3 to 5 years to get them all. So---the expanded time became compressed----.
It would have been like at Waterloo---Napoeleone would have found an extra fully functional fighting division of cavalry ready to charge the english.
It is in the same context---if 9 M2k5's were available or 60 were available.
Finding and getting 60 M2k5's would be like finding a 3 to 5 hidden armored corps that suddenly became available to you out of thin air---it would be as if Allah has sent Angels.
If there are funds available---and I have a choice if they were to be invested in 60 M2K5's / F16's or the JF 17-----. My first choice would be M2k5---second choice would be the F16---.
The reason being the ' force multiplier ' they would bring in an instant. The force mutliplier would bring somewhat stability in the arena---this stability or the promise of stability is the most important factor for pakistan.
In the meantime---Paf can follow up on its pet project the JF17---.
