Punjab government is playing down the child abuse case .

[khawaja07]

Society part was more aimed at the children's relatives. As for the MPA, so as long as he's in charge he can
do what ever he likes? You might say, the Police should have intervened but what if Police is the part of the ring?
Someone has to intervene, right? Why not the military intelligence agencies? They're free of political influence.
Or has Nawaz somehow bought them too?

Neither our Military agencies are saints nor our most corrupt Punjab police. Infact Intelligence agencies have kept hand off the govt. until its own APS school was brutally targetted, however Gen. Raheel Shareef has emerged as a new hope with him starting accountability even in the army, ridding itself of corrupt generals and what not.

 

[Super Falcon]

Rana sanaullah is full involved in it

Only one thing hang all culprits no matter who in streets

 

[Jango]

They are even talking about sending this entire case to the military courts for QUICK and speedy decision, outside of the boundaries of the traditional justice system, as they want quick results and not drag feet for years. So no, they are NOT trying to ignore the case, that would be stupid to even imagine.

Oh really, and where did you hear that?

Pakistanis, as society, have sunk as low as one could.

Agree with that.

But then again, when you prioritize mega projects and bling showpieces instead of grassroot basic education, this is what happens.

And this doesn't hold to the current government, this has been the case since the past 25 years or so.

Musharraf came in and tried to overhaul the education system and get it down to the basic level, but that went only so far.

By education, I don't mean taleem, I mean tarbiyat.

Just go and have a look at the mjaor universities today, LUMS being a shining example.

Are ya implying the ISI,
Military Intelligence

So you really think ISI and MI keep a check on these on goings in local villages of districts like Kasur? Or any district for that matter?

Mate, you really need to brush up your knowledge about the role of ISI and MI, in the present day.

 

[Husnainshah]

But then again, when you prioritize mega projects and bling showpieces instead of grassroot basic education, this is what happens.

Hmmm...I agree. PML-N severely lags in Human Development. If you were to ask me where's my
disagreement with PML-N, I'd say in Human Development, Women Empowerment, Judicial Policy,
Taxation from the top of my head. There's more of course. And their general pace in development
doesn't impress me either.

So you really think ISI and MI keep a check on these on goings in local villages of districts like Kasur? Or any district for that matter?

Mate, you really need to brush up your knowledge about the role of ISI and MI, in the present day.

I don't and haven't ever worked for any intelligence agency - military or civilian. But this wasn't your
ordinary on-going. I'm sure their informants would have them updated on this ring.
I mean, it's not like you've child abuse at this level on every other street. Besides, a sitting MPA's
involvement along with other police officials couldn't have gone unnoticed, as far I'm concerned.
That is, however, not to imply that ISI or MI chief were involved.

 

[notorious_eagle]

I don't and haven't ever worked for any intelligence agency - military or civilian. But this wasn't your
ordinary on-going. I'm sure their informants would have them updated on this ring.
I mean, it's not like you've child abuse at this level on every other street. Besides, a sitting MPA's
involvement along with other police officials couldn't have gone unnoticed, as far I'm concerned.
That is, however, not to imply that ISI or MI chief were involved.

You really need to learn, and read up on what the mandate of the ISI and MI is?

This crime falls within the purview of the Police and their Investigation Arms, not the ISI or MI. It is the job of the Police and other Civilian Investigative Agencies to prevent this heinous acts, ISI and MI have nothing to do with this. You don't get a Doctor to go do the job of an Engineer. If your house gets robbed, it is the Police that is supposed to investigate it and not the ISI unless it is a matter of national security.

 

[Jango]

I mean, it's not like you've child abuse at this level on every other street.

Oh my friend, you have no idea.

Pindi ki car markets main dekh lo, those 12 year old mechanics. BUs conductors...it's everywhere. The unspoken sin.

As for the rest, notorious eagle has explained that well.

Our house got robbed in a military walled colony, and it was the MP and then the Police which investigated, not MI or ISI.

DIfferent jobs mate.

 

[Zibago]

Oh my friend, you have no idea.

Pindi ki car markets main dekh lo, those 12 year old mechanics. BUs conductors...it's everywhere. The unspoken sin.

As for the rest, notorious eagle has explained that well.

Our house got robbed in a military walled colony, and it was the MP and then the Police which investigated, not MI or ISI.

DIfferent jobs mate.

But by leagi logic if you mess up agonse ki sazush hay

 

[Husnainshah]

You really need to learn, and read up on what the mandate of the ISI and MI is?

This crime falls within the purview of the Police and their Investigation Arms, not the ISI or MI. It is the job of the Police and other Civilian Investigative Agencies to prevent this heinous acts, ISI and MI have nothing to do with this. You don't get a Doctor to go do the job of an Engineer. If your house gets robbed, it is the Police that is supposed to investigate it and not the ISI unless it is a matter of national security.

Oh pal, that living abroad has got on to ya. The Military agencies have all sorts of reports on politicians
including how many mistresses one has(Yes, I've personally witnessed it). And let's not talk about one's
mandate - not in Pakistan at least. We had a judge acting like a Prime Minister not so long ago.

The reason for I mentioned Military Intelligence Agencies was because the primary Law Enforcement Agency i.e. Police in this case, prima facie, appears to be a part of the ring

Oh my friend, you have no idea.

I have yet to come across a bus or a mechanic with labor of 300 children.
I'm not ignorant of pedophilia just that haven't heard of on such a scale. You see the difference?

And I think there's difference being robbed and Child abuse ring under important officials active for quite a while.
Wouldn't ya say?

 

[Gazi]

This guy should be dealt with the same way Shafqat Mehmood was dealt with quite recently.

 

[Jango]

I have yet to come across a bus or a mechanic with labor of 300 children.

I said pedophilia is rampant, not a single guy having 300 kids.

I'm not ignorant of pedophilia just that haven't heard of on such a scale. You see the difference?

Fair enough, this is the first mass scale crime ring busted in Pakistan. But these guys had turned it into a business reportedly, making and selling videos.

But then again, 1 or 300, what difference does it make? There is rampant abuse of children going on everywhere near us, like to believe it or not.

And I think there's difference being robbed and Child abuse ring under important officials active for quite a while.
Wouldn't ya say?

Point is, ISI or MI don't have people specified to keep tabs on local and internal crimes. If you really want to stretch it, get in FIA or if you even stretch it more, IB.

You gave the case of politicians, politicians have a pretty good impact on national and strategic issues, don't you think?

Case in point, MQM and Altaf HUssain these days.

Aap to aisay keh rahay ho jaisay ISI ya MI nhn gali ka thana ho gaya.

 

[Gufi]

But then again, 1 or 300, what difference does it make? There is rampant abuse of children going on everywhere near us, like to believe it or not.

that is the thing which we should be saying, one case is enough, one case deserves outrage and one case deserves attention and the culprits to be caught and killed, ifr videos are found summary executions and shooting squads.
the next step needs to be to look for remedies to this problem, how does one stop this from going rampant, how does one stop the exploitation of children?? I will look at ways used in the States and in other Western countries....

Point is, ISI or MI don't have people specified to keep tabs on local and internal crimes. If you really want to stretch it, get in FIA or if you even stretch it more, IB.

honestly our police is useless, when you demand everything from the military... weird logic you see here sadly. I agree with you there needs to be a proper department in the FIA to take notice of these issues so there is no issue of jurisdiction, no worries of transfers etc

 

[Jango]

that is the thing which we should be saying, one case is enough, one case deserves outrage and one case deserves attention and the culprits to be caught and killed, ifr videos are found summary executions and shooting squads.
the next step needs to be to look for remedies to this problem, how does one stop this from going rampant, how does one stop the exploitation of children?? I will look at ways used in the States and in other Western countries....

honestly our police is useless, when you demand everything from the military... weird logic you see here sadly. I agree with you there needs to be a proper department in the FIA to take notice of these issues so there is no issue of jurisdiction, no worries of transfers etc

We need to make really tough new laws.

People convicted of rape or sex crimes should be put in jail at least for life. I'd have no problem if death was a punishment as well.

Just a couple of days back, I was reading a rapist got 20 years in jail, and the woman gave birth to a child as a result as well.

Bachay aur aurat ki poori zindagi tabah, not to mention the mental trauma. And the guy gets 20 years only? This is outrageous

But then again, is mulk main bauhaut maslay hain!

 

[Gufi]

We need to make really tough new laws.

the issue is all we can do is make laws, they mean nothing in this country because there is no real implementation
More importance needs to be on prevention and education

People convicted of rape or sex crimes should be put in jail at least for life. I'd have no problem if death was a punishment as well.

death is the only punishment for rape, sex crimes I do not really understand what you mean by that but depends...

Just a couple of days back, I was reading a rapist got 20 years in jail, and the woman gave birth to a child as a result as well.

in Pakistan, we need new judges, I think with morales which are not tainted by the masters they served for money...

Bachay aur aurat ki poori zindagi tabah, not to mention the mental trauma. And the guy gets 20 years only? This is outrageous

hang the man, jail the judge

But then again, is mulk main bauhaut maslay hain!

Can not be an excuse for these problems, even though you did not use it as such but I have heard it used in that context

 

[Chacha_Facebooka]

Victims need to come forward.

 

[Jango]

death is the only punishment for rape, sex crimes I do not really understand what you mean by that but depends...

Rape, pedophilia, molestation, blackmail etc...

Can not be an excuse for these problems, even though you did not use it as such but I have heard it used in that context

Agree with that.

This simply isn't any excuse. AS the often said saying goes, two wrongs dont make a right.