PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen arrested in Peshawar

[Xestan]

Stop crying, and wake up they were instigating mutiny, this is a serious crime.

The protesters were instigating mutiny?

Lets see if they are charged by the Police for that. Manzoor Pashteen has been charged under sedition for calling for repealing the constitution in his Bannu speech. But here, whole PDF was crying about Musharraf being declared traitor and his actions of abrogating the constitution were defended. Why the double standards?

Every state has national security parameters. "Peaceful protest" is just propaganda to shove down soft minds. National security is top priority. Can't let pashteen or gashteen ruin it for everyone.

But it was peaceful protest. That's the fact. We can't stomp on constitutional rights with national security excuses. All the wrong in the country has ever been done on the same pretext of national security.

 

[Enigma SIG]

But it was peaceful protest. That's the fact. We can't stomp on constitutional rights with national security excuses. All the wrong in the country has ever been done on the same pretext of national security.

Can't make up facts on the fly, especially when the leader of the protest is being funded by foreign agencies. Constitutional rights are below National Security directives.
No nation, no constitution.
Protect the nation, protect the constitution.

 

[Xestan]

Can't make up facts on the fly, especially when the leader of the protest is being funded by foreign agencies. Constitutional rights are below National Security directives.
No nation, no constitution.
Protect the nation, protect the constitution.

If he's being funded, why hasn't he been charged for treason yet?

Elected governments have been sent packing on the pretext of national security. National security should not compromise constitutional rights.

 

[Enigma SIG]

If he's being funded, why hasn't he been charged for treason yet?

Elected governments have been sent packing on the pretext of national security. National security should not compromise constitutional rights.

You probably don't know how courts work in Pakistan. He'll be out on bail within weeks all dry cleaned. As I said earlier, Nation first, constitution second.

 

[Xestan]

You probably don't know how courts work in Pakistan. He'll be out on bail within weeks all dry cleaned. As I said earlier, Nation first, constitution second.

Okay, lets go by this argument. I have a problem with a few Generals deciding what's national security and who's a national security threat. Former Prime Ministers have been called that. So, the pretext of National Security has been thoroughly abused in our history. If constitution comes second due to any reason, it loses its purpose. We might as well come under martial law if everything has to be looked at from a security pov, which is mostly people with 3 stars and above doing what they think is right.

 

[khail007]

How can we lecture others on fascism when peaceful protesters are arrested. Two sitting members of Parliament are dragged like street criminals. Our State will not learn in a hundred years that movements like these cannot be silenced with force but countered through engagement.

Yesterday people were talking same for 'Bhai'.
If 'Pashteen' is also on same lines and people call him 'innocent' then why 'Bhai' could not deserve a warm hero welcome back to Pakistan?
IMO all those groups based on 'ethnicity' will not bring any good but chaos and hate, it is a proven fact.

 

[Xestan]

Yesterday people were talking same for 'Bhai'.
If 'Pashteen' is also on same lines and people call him 'innocent' then why 'Bhai' could not deserve a warm hero welcome back to Pakistan?
IMO all those groups based on 'ethnicity' will not bring any good but chaos and hate, it is a proven fact.

Bhai broke the law of Pakistan for years and was kept on the lap by the Generals. Musharraf let 'bhai' kill hundreds during his time in power.

Point is, if Manzoor Pashteen has broken law, lets prosecute him. If he's found to be innocent, he should walk free. If guilty, he should be sentenced.

I'm talking about the charges in the FIR specifically.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Bhai broke the law of Pakistan for years and was kept on the lap by the Generals. Musharraf let 'bhai' kill hundreds during his time in power.

Perhaps you dont know the extended family of Manzoor and their role in TTP.From inside he has sympathies for them..He refuses to believe his beloved TTP was behind APS peshawar attack.Thats just one example.

As for the state (Army/Govt) they have contacts with every group, militant or non militant..Sometimes they allure them with power in hope of having them break away from their patrons.This is a very standard thing that happens in most of the world ..Always first the rogue element is made to enter a political process and dealt with an iron fist if it doesn't obey.Thats exactly why you see PTM in parliament now.

 

[Xestan]

Perhaps you dont know the extended family of Manzoor and their role in TTP.From inside he has sympathies for them..He refuses to believe his beloved TTP was behind APS peshawar attack.Thats just one example.

As for the state (Army/Govt) they have contacts with every group, militant or non militant..Sometimes they allure them with power in hope of having them break away from their patrons.This is a very standard thing that happens everywhere in the world..Always first the rogue element is made to enter a political process and dealt with an iron fist if it doesn't obey.

I am very aware of the alleged TTP links that Army fanboys have cooked up about PTM. Manzoor Pashteen's 9 year old brother was involved with TTP. I'd blame the state for that too. Almost every house in FATA had some family member a part of TTP at some point. Doesn't prove anything.

Secondly, it's amazing how you're trying to defend Musharraf's treasonous actions. He gave rise to MQM's monster. MQM was never as powerful as it became at the end of Musharraf's era. Do you know how many Police officers from karachi were targeted and killed under the nose of Musharraf?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

I am very aware of the alleged TTP links that Army fanboys have cooked up about PTM. Manzoor Pashteen's 9 year old brother was involved with TTP. I'd blame the state for that too. Almost every house in FATA had some family member a part of TTP at some point. Doesn't prove anything.

Secondly, it's amazing how you're trying to defend Musharraf's treasonous actions. He gave rise to MQM's monster. MQM was never as powerful as it became at the end of Musharraf's era. Do you know how many Police officers from karachi were targeted and killed under the nose of Musharraf?

Not just brother his cousins and extended family people... Not really not everyone in FATA had links with TTP..this is not true..Infact qabailis weere used against TTP. Manzoor still has sympathy for TTP..You cant deny this,..

Musharaf did a lot of wrong stuff but here he was right, on the ground MQM was strong back then and it was stupidity to jail Altaf and burn Karachi. MQM was asked to go nation wide and have a new leadership replace him...This was a hope that got dashed..Atleast he tried..

https://twitter.com/x/status/988462776380248065

 

[khail007]

Bhai broke the law of Pakistan for years and was kept on the lap by the Generals. Musharraf let 'bhai' kill hundreds during his time in power.

Point is, if Manzoor Pashteen has broken law, lets prosecute him. If he's found to be innocent, he should walk free. If guilty, he should be sentenced.

I'm talking about the charges in the FIR specifically.

Yes we always want to get rid of our sins by dividing our responsibility among 'Generals' and 'Civilians' - What you narrated is purely 'Pakistani' mindset.
Is everything right in Pakistan? If you put aside the narrative of 'Generals/Civilians'
We are corrupt inside out to the core. We murdered the merit and put all our weights behind nepotism and politics of recruiting party workers to the places where they not belong.
That is why you could see, 'Meter Readers', 'Powderis' and 'PIA Loaders' in 'Muqaddas Parliament'. So we are reaping the benefits of it. Yesterday it was 'Bhai' today or tomorrow it will be 'Pashteen'.
Just keep on doing it again and again - it will not do a good.

 

[Mrc]

If he's being funded, why hasn't he been charged for treason yet?

Elected governments have been sent packing on the pretext of national security. National security should not compromise constitutional rights.

Kindly quote a constitution in world including that of US or any European country that allows public display of racial biggatory and incitement of violence


Problem yeah hay k humain landay k angraiz banay ka bohat shoq hay

 

[Enigma SIG]

Okay, lets go by this argument. I have a problem with a few Generals deciding what's national security and who's a national security threat. Former Prime Ministers have been called that. So, the pretext of National Security has been thoroughly abused in our history. If constitution comes second due to any reason, it loses its purpose. We might as well come under martial law if everything has to be looked at from a security pov, which is mostly people with 3 stars and above doing what they think is right.

What you don't understand is National security is not a few generals flicking buttons on and off. National security is a hierarchy of people (mostly military but civil as well) working in sync with each other. Don't dampen everything under the garb of civilian supremacy; that is not how the world works.

 

[Mrc]

Two wrongs don't make one right. ..


Quoting musharaf conduct does not mean racial bigots shud b given field pass in pak

 

[newb3e]

Bhai broke the law of Pakistan for years and was kept on the lap by the Generals. Musharraf let 'bhai' kill hundreds during his time in power.

Point is, if Manzoor Pashteen has broken law, lets prosecute him. If he's found to be innocent, he should walk free. If guilty, he should be sentenced.

I'm talking about the charges in the FIR specifically.

lumber 1 got all the evidence against pashteens finances but maslihat keh taihad or for future qabza mafia control they are allowing him to fk with country and people!!