Pre Emptive Air Strike on SU30MKI bases

[ziaulislam]

a stormy thread by storm force

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Love these thread ..

But in the end the fact remains... PAF is the biggest indian airforce spare parts dealer ..

Just not in the immaculate condition even any scrap dealer would want .. Unless he wants melted metal ..

 

[Donatello]

there is no argument that this is a utterly useless discourse. but I thought the premise was PAF on offensive roles, thus your f16's mirages , and f7's will go up against a defensive Mig29, mirage2k, Jag and m27 fleet in Indian airspace, as you.... Where does manpads come into picture?
And I hope you do realise that Jag's, mig27's and mig21 have a service ceiling of 15000m, 14000m,and 17800 respectively, in this hypothetical scenario, they wont be flying low to hunt terrorists. For your guys to hit it with manpads, the soldier has to fly at about 10,000m on his flying carpet.

No, that was a premise that after taking out the IAF on the ground PAF planes will need to go back to re arm or refuel. For that, there will be chasing Indian planes and thus Man Pads and other SAMs do come into the picture. For IAF to effectively destory PAF bases it will have to scoop down to release the bombs or the probability of kill is not worth the risk. Given the short range between IAF and PAF airbases, planes needing to shoot up to their maximum ceiling would burn a lot of fuel. Your choice. You want to be able to engage and fight or crash?

This is a bullshit debate. And in all these cases you are assuming that Entire IAF will up and running, leaving no room to counter China. PAF can put its entire fleet in action if it wants since we don't have no threat for Afghanistan and Iran.

Let me put an end to this thread, as most of thread come to the conclusion...
mki>f16>cold start>azm-e nau>kargil>71>65>47>agni>ghori>.........bla bla...>

NASRR- THE END

No no, the mighty LCA. One tinker to rule them all.

Some actually spend time reading up on things that matter rather than on whatapp..

Read the recent PAF doctrine - a hint - you need to read between the lines.

When India threatened with war in 2001 and 2008, PAF already had plans to go in and strike in India. They will continue to do the same. Don't get carried away by reading stuff online. A smart and literate man like you (considering that your English is fairly readable) would know that PAF wouldn't publish it's doctrine. But if a war breaks out, it all i've got vs all you've got.

People here need to know reality. India was roaring in 2008 as much as it was in 2001. But then what happened? Did their balls drop off?

 

[acid rain]

No, that was a premise that after taking out the IAF on the ground PAF planes will need to go back to re arm or refuel. For that, there will be chasing Indian planes and thus Man Pads and other SAMs do come into the picture. For IAF to effectively destory PAF bases it will have to scoop down to release the bombs or the probability of kill is not worth the risk. Given the short range between IAF and PAF airbases, planes needing to shoot up to their maximum ceiling would burn a lot of fuel. Your choice. You want to be able to engage and fight or crash?

This is a bullshit debate. And in all these cases you are assuming that Entire IAF will up and running, leaving no room to counter China. PAF can put its entire fleet in action if it wants since we don't have no threat for Afghanistan and Iran.




No no, the mighty LCA. One tinker to rule them all.




When India threatened with war in 2001 and 2008, PAF already had plans to go in and strike in India. They will continue to do the same. Don't get carried away by reading stuff online. A smart and literate man like you (considering that your English is fairly readable) would know that PAF wouldn't publish it's doctrine. But if a war breaks out, it all i've got vs all you've got.

People here need to know reality. India was roaring in 2008 as much as it was in 2001. But then what happened? Did their balls drop off?

countries go into war with objectives in mind - recall what happened after 2001 and 2008 to know who came up trumps.

As for PAF's so called plan in 2008, the recent tinkering in policy happened the last couple of years when the divide became a yawning one.

Pardon me, but your reply to sandy's post was hilarious.

 

[BATMAN]

IN WAR with IAF how the PAF tackle this threat in particular more than the MIGs or JAGS or Mirage2000 WILL DECIDE if PAF achieves a victory stalemate or defeat.

Do you think that IAF will have heart to keep flying after loosing few of glorified SU-27?
Mig! the flying coffin? how long it can fly? JAG would be flying ducks for JF-17, if they ever fly.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Do you think that IAF will have heart to keep flying after loosing few of glorified SU-27?
Mig! the flying coffin? how long it can fly? JAG would be flying ducks for JF-17, if they ever fly.

You come up with such sound alalyses every single post. How do you do it???

 

[BATMAN]

You come up with such sound alalyses every single post. How do you do it???

I asked you question.... that how long mig-21 can fly?

 

[notsuperstitious]

I asked you question.... that how long mig-21 can fly?

First share the secret of your intelligence, only then can i even attempt to answer your incisive question.

 

[SQ8]

You sure buddy? Akash SAM has demonstrated its ability to intercept low flying cruise missiles by taking out targets (Lakshya PTA) flying at tree top levels.
Besides,we have plenty of Bofors 40mm AA guns which can take out this 100 million USD missile at the cost of a few hundred Rupees.

Oh yeah sure, said the Iraqis as well about the AGM-88. Did not work out so well when it slammed into their radar networks with ease despite a MUCH more denser AAA and SAM network. But then, the Iraqis also had "Baghdad Bob" who was claiming victory with ZSU-23s when they were being pounded by ARMs, AGMs and eventually ATGMs.

When you are going to come up with some sort of counter to a point, try not to sound so simplistic that it becomes a facepalm moment. The Tungska is the ONLY weapon with the ability to target a ARM and even with that the probability of getting the missile is fairly low.

And how?Thats my question.Name the tools keeping in mind the defences and early warning measures in place. Then i'll answer.

The tools of the trade have changed as well. The whole H-2 and H-4 purchase/licence from Kentron was focused specifically on the realization that the evolving Indian ADGE made it very difficult for an aircraft to execute a traditional OCA strike using dumb bombs or even LGBs. However, a Stand off weapon that allows the strike aircraft to stay out of the range of most airfield and target defences while delivering both Unitary and Anti-Runway munitions gives the PAF the ability to deliver an effective strike against a target while giving the attacker a much higher chance of returning back in one piece to their base.

Now this was an interesting "tale" I heard on the grapevine:
The IAF caught this trend of stand off weapons within PAF very late, probably due to the confusion surrounding the H-2 and H-4 programs and their nature. The presence of South Africans in Pakistan was possibly the root cause of this dilly dallying by the IAF and Indian MoD as to what they were really there to do. Most observers kept citing a A2A weapons program for which counter weapons already existed within the IAF. It was only later as intel was compiled by them(due to the relative ease of getting on a rooftop at Kamra and taking a peek into the base) that they realized that the PAF had skipped the idea of risking its aircraft against heavily defended targets and instead focused on lobbing much smaller sized(and less expensive) stand off weapons at them.

That does not mean that the good old low level durandal attack will not take place, but that attack will probably be left against the FoBs and dispersal bases of the IAF.