POLL: Which will be more effective, "SAARC" or "Brother Nation" idea.

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You are saying this because you just personally do not like my posts. I speak the truth and that's what I did in my posts. I didn't do emotional bashings or raised doubts about other's religious beliefs, unlike some people here. result? They get nothing and I get a warning for some logical arguments and opinions. Beautiful. I actually thought this forum does not reflect the usual political rules that Pakistan had to endure for most of her history. I guess I wasn't totally right.

You get warnings for inflammatory and derogatrory remarks and constant Pakistan bashing and trolling. Read through the trhread - you were the first one to resort to trolling and flaming with derogatory comments and Pakistan bashing.

This is your last warning.

 

[eastwatch]

Well bro, the raw materials that you are talking about here- are those better in Pakistan than India?! how much better? cheaper too? Transportation cost? you want to see even a bigger trade deficit with Pakistan?(yes i know we have bigger deficit with India but then India's and Pakistan's economy are not comparable. We can expect better, probably way better relation in trade with India than what we have right now but Pakistan???) Pakistan does not have strong enough economy and raw material production/storage to mitigate Bangladesh's need in sudden crisis. India has it. I did not mean that we should trade with India because we love it and we shall do not trade with Pakistan because we hate it! NO, do not get me wrong. I never said that. But just for the sake of "diversification of the economy", we would put aside all other consideration in trade and economy? The main objective of diversifying the economy and foreign trade is to minimize risk in security that comes from a single source of import-trade. I do not know why would Bangladesh be scared of that? Beside I think there is more risk of this kind when you trade with Pakistan than India, if we think in realistic measure. Lets not get emotional. Just some thoughts that I wanted you to know.

Only business people and traders, and not the govt, decide about the quality of products from a certain source. It is their choice whether to buy or not. So, it is wrong for anybody to say beforehand that the quality of goods is bad in a certain country. Politics should be left aside to make room for growth of business.

Even today, BD imports $600 million worth of goods from Pakistan. Now, nobody forces you to buy any of these goods from a retail shop. But, you cannot suggest stoppage of importing these goods from Pakistan for reasons other than strictly business.

By the way, as far as I know, quality of some Pakistani textile goods, such as pillow covers, door/window curtains, bed-sheets, is much higher than the Indian goods. These goods will be cheaper when a train transit is introduced between BD and Pakistan, even if we are not that brotherly countries. I also think, all the made in Pakistan ladies' dresses such as salwar-kameej, shoes and others are of good quality.

They are supposed to have good quality milk products, but I am not sure about it. Only a Pakistani can tell about it. But, their Basmati rice is far better than the Indfian one. When peace is re-established in Pakistan, it can feed double its population and we need food to overcome chronic food shortage in the overcrowded BD. Also, think of all those surplus fruits in Pakistan.

We have to understand one thing. Whatever the Pak army did in 1971, is now regretted by its general population since its end. That war should not put hindrance to further a good relationship between the two countries. We are Muslims, our hearts should be broad as it was before when Muslims ruled over half the world. We should put aside petty things and strive for better relationship with Pakistan. Small mindedness is a part of Hinduism and not Islam. We better get rid of our smallness. Let us try to be like Sk. Mujib. With all his faults, he was big in heart.

 

[salman nedian]

First of all I am glad to know that. But then ofcourse you do not have any ill feelings towards Bangladeshis. Why would you? Bangladeshis neither killed millions of punjabis or pashtuns or baluch in 1971 nor they raped their muslim sisters just because they were from another ethnicity.

No my friend remember what Mukti Bahini did to their west Pakistani countrymen. We do not want to remember the bitter period instead we want to reconcile with Bangladesh.

We may have done mistakes but we all did that. By ‘We’ I mean both East and West Pakistanis.

 

[SeaGull]

EW> Don't agree with your last sentence. Sk Mujib was only good for the Chors, Batpars, Bodmash, smugglers. sycophants, Black marketeers, goondas, and the like which all were characterstic of his Party members and his family.
Not good for the majority poor Bengalis who made him what he was.

 

[TopCat]

EW> Don't agree with your last sentence. Sk Mujib was only good for the Chors, Batpars, Bodmash, smugglers. sycophants, Black marketeers, goondas, and the like which all were characterstic of his Party members and his family.
Not good for the majority poor Bengalis who made him what he was.

These kind of sentence would not have used against him if He never pardoned anti liberation forces. He wanted a national reconcilliation which includes west pakistanis as well. I support reconcilliation with W. Pakistanis (as they shown remorse) but not with the 3rd class traitors in this country. Hopefully this will be done this time but not sure how they going to get those who live outside BD.

 

[eastwatch]

EW> Don't agree with your last sentence. Sk Mujib was only good for the Chors, Batpars, Bodmash, smugglers. sycophants, Black marketeers, goondas, and the like which all were characterstic of his Party members and his family.
Not good for the majority poor Bengalis who made him what he was.

All the blames of a mismanaged nation are certainly to go to the head of govt. Sk. Mujib was an orator and not a good adminstrator. Even then, he probably could have done better if he was made the united Pakistan PM.

Instead, he had to lead a war ravaged poor country, which gained independence even though he was not there to lead. This had totally taken away all his strength as a leader. His leadership was reduced to titular and the main power was taken over by Sheikh Moni and other cronies, who took all the advatage of being in power.

Under the slogan of socialism, these people nationalized all the important production plants and established AL cronies there. All of them together mismanaged, looted the wealth and finally destroyed the economic foundation of the then BD.

An overcrowded BD, a poor BD is very difficult to administer even during peacetime. It was more difficult to do that after the war, specially when USA was not cooperative because of AL's policy turned towards a biased socialism.

Yes, all the blames should go to him. Even then, who knew him (I am certainly not one of them) would say he had a big heart. Please do not take my statement in political sense. It was meant to answer a post that says against trade with Pakistan even today because of 1971 war, which I found not very broad in concept. Even Sk. Mujib would not have refused to do trade with Pakistan.

 

[SeaGull]

SK Mujib was a demagogue and the worst leader this nation has ever had. And he was not killed by anti liberation forces but by the true patriots - the Surja Shontans of this land, so its people could live.
Sk Mujib's regime and his role is well documented and there is no need to go into this here.
I know it makes his people upset but can't help telling the truth.

 

[salman nedian]

These kind of sentence would not have used against him if He never pardoned anti liberation forces. He wanted a national reconcilliation which includes west pakistanis as well. I support reconcilliation with W. Pakistanis (as they shown remorse) but not with the 3rd class traitors in this country. Hopefully this will be done this time but not sure how they going to get those who live outside BD.

What do you mean by 3rd class traitors? I mean whom are u referring to?

 

[SeaGull]

What do you mean by 3rd class traitors? I mean whom are u referring to?

Oh Salman never mind. Let them have their day. This too shall PASS.

 

[M_Saint]

EW> Don't agree with your last sentence. Sk Mujib was only good for the Chors, Batpars, Bodmash, smugglers. sycophants, Black marketeers, goondas, and the like which all were characterstic of his Party members and his family.
Not good for the majority poor Bengalis who made him what he was.

Agreeing with you completely, I wanted to add the signs and symbols of his cowardice, craftiness were written all over the walls. During his educational period in Islamia college at Kolkata, he used to snatch others food in dinning room and while he was asked by his Prof. Syadur Rahman (Father of Shafiq Rehman) to resonate, he boasted his ego. Then he didn't have the gut to participate in the B.A exam by himself and hired a proxy. In 1958, he and his goons gave gentle W-Pakistani Muslim Leaguer-guests the first Lathi treatment, the same year he killed speaker Shaheb Ali in Parliament and in mid 70s he, his son Kamal and Nasim killed Siraj Sikder. In all those cases he showed extreme intolerance in accepting different opinions and ideologies in democratic society. At the end, he himself killed democracy for what he claimed to fight for all along.

 

[TopCat]

All the blames of a mismanaged nation are certainly to go to the head of govt. Sk. Mujib was an orator and not a good adminstrator. Even then, he probably could have done better if he was made the united Pakistan PM.

Instead, he had to lead a war ravaged poor country, which gained independence even though he was not there to lead. This had totally taken away all his strength as a leader. His leadership was reduced to titular and the main power was taken over by Sheikh Moni and other cronies, who took all the advatage of being in power.

Under the slogan of socialism, these people nationalized all the important production plants and established AL cronies there. All of them together mismanaged, looted the wealth and finally destroyed the economic foundation of the then BD.

An overcrowded BD, a poor BD is very difficult to administer even during peacetime. It was more difficult to do that after the war, specially when USA was not cooperative because of AL's policy turned towards a biased socialism.

Yes, all the blames should go to him. Even then, who knew him (I am certainly not one of them) would say he had a big heart. Please do not take my statement in political sense. It was meant to answer a post that says against trade with Pakistan even today because of 1971 war, which I found not very broad in concept. Even Sk. Mujib would not have refused to do trade with Pakistan.

He ruled a country only for 2/3 years without any police, army or allied forces. He did heck of a job in my opinion by looking at Iraq, Afganistan, Bosnia, E. Timur etc where the allied/UN forces could not be withdrawn even after so many years. Those who try to blame him, I dont know for what? For ruling only for 3 years or for kicking those fanatics in 1971? For bringing BAKSAL which was only acive for 4 months whereas we had to go through decades of military rules one way or other. He did damage to the country only within 3 years so that we could not recover that even after 40 years. Wat a JOKE?

The problem here is not Sk. Mujib or his reign but the ideology which was defeated in 1971. The defeated forces reincurnated from the grave under the banner of Military rule similar to pre 1971 era. People were confused as they saw a part of Pro-Independent group joined hand with the anti liberation forces which later took the dominance position as it matured. Now we can easily distinguish between black and white as the gey area diminished and people gave their verdict in the last general election. They knew in which side they suppose to take as the true faces are obvious.

 

[TopCat]

Agreeing with you completely, I wanted to add the signs and symbols of his cowardice, craftiness were written all over the walls. During his educational period in Islamia college at Kolkata, he used to snatch others food in dinning room and while he was asked by his Prof. Syadur Rahman (Father of Shafiq Rehman) to resonate, he boasted his ego. Then he didn't have the gut to participate in the B.A exam by himself and hired a proxy. In 1958, he and his goons gave gentle W-Pakistani Muslim Leaguer-guests the first Lathi treatment, the same year he killed speaker Shaheb Ali in Parliament and in mid 70s he, his son Kamal and Nasim killed Siraj Sikder. In all those cases he showed extreme intolerance in accepting different opinions and ideologies in democratic society. At the end, he himself killed democracy for what he claimed to fight for all along.

 

[M_Saint]

But not with the 3rd class traitors in this country. Hopefully this will be done this time but not sure how they going to get those who live outside BD.

After the day of deliverance (AUG. 15, 75), Mushrik and Godfather like Kabir Chowdhury, Kader Siddiqui couldn't be found anywhere for such haughtiness. Again after 2001s election debacle, dada lovers like Shahriar Kabir and God father like Hazari fled and in both occasions they went to West Bangle. But where would these 'Bengali Birs' go when dragon would chase all of the Bharatis down to the river, Ganges? Oh! I forgot, 'Gange Snan' for ever would clean up all of your sins for ever with them, wouldn't it?

 

[TopCat]

What do you mean by 3rd class traitors? I mean whom are u referring to?

Traitors are those who betray their own land and their own people. Third class are those who does that for money and to stay close to the power. They even sell their own sister for that. We got traitor in every society, going back to MirJafar, 1857 Mutiny etc.

I salute those brave heart PK soldiers who fell in the line of fire and those Muktis and Indian soldiers who were truly soldiers. My respect goes towards them.

 

[M_Saint]

These kind of sentence would not have used against him if He never pardoned anti liberation forces. He wanted a national reconcilliation which includes west pakistanis as well. I support reconcilliation with W. Pakistanis (as they shown remorse) but not with the 3rd class traitors in this country. Hopefully this will be done this time but not sure how they going to get those who live outside BD.

That Sheikastakhor couldn't even buzz his paparazzi if he didn't wipe Punjabi/Pashtu feet of Yahya for pardoning him because of his participation in Agortola conspiracy at the first place, let alone becomming a liberation hero. The scar of broken Bangle still remained in your body because of its outcome, i.e. less liberty, fortune for E Bengalis but broke up of bigger PAK in exchange of smaller BD gave you more liberation? May be dictionary wouldn't be enough to find the definition of such hypocrisy, would it folks? :