PM Modi raises issue of Pakistan-sponsored terror in meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping

[MilSpec]

Why should I? You seemed satisfied with 4 out 543 as a case to counter some member here?

Comprehension check. I think what I wrote was quite clear, do you really want me to repeat myself, or can you read the post again in question.

Well we are far past that arent we? I mean you have effectively derailed it from bouncing back and forth abt Pakistan and india

Show me one instance which wasn't a direct response to mostly your specific whataboutery.

 

[Verve]

Yes there is an enormous problem of caste system still prevailing today. But that does not make the government of India, being run by brahmins, neither is India fascist in any way. Caste based discrimination in India does not play into formenting trouble in balochistan, just saying.

When the ruling party and the power. House behind that party makes statements of throwing minorities out or making them subservient, it is only FASCISM!

You are delusional to claim otherwise that any sane person can see clearly.

 

[Dubious]

Show me one instance which wasn't a direct response to mostly your specific whataboutery.

and my "whataboutery" (a term made famous by vcheng on pdf) have been linked with the topic...which is india you keep dragging in Pakistan...

 

[WAJsal]

Why are you arguing with the man? They spent the last 1000 years being ruled by the Mughals and then the British. In mein kahan se elite aya? Koi chai wala, koi kumar, lohar, etc.

Childish post, sorry to say. The point of this forum is to have a debate or such arguments and secondly elite or not doesn't matter, we should at least respect what our religion preaches about such perceived statuses .

 

[Dubious]

Childish post, sorry to say. The point of this forum is to have a debate or such arguments and secondly elite or not doesn't matter, we should at least respect what our religion preaches about such perceived statuses .

it is not us he is talking abt...but the basis of belief of our neighbours on which everything runs ...

 

[MilSpec]

and my "whataboutery" (a term made famous by vcheng on pdf) have been linked with the topic...which is india you keep dragging in Pakistan...

Well first Post I responded,
You claimed India crying, when questioned: Your response was What about indian members and imran khan? Thus you dragged Pakistan into the conversation.
When posted Verbatim construct of the Eternal Affair ministers, You stiill questioned the text as "weakness";
Now for your own Dragging of Imran Khan into a thread that did not concern him, I responded to your own query why he was not taken seriously and track record of Pakistan's state/nonstate solution.
Since then you have dragged it to Afghanistan, Iran, US, Balochistan, KBY, I have just responded to your specific queries.
And then the other gentlemen/women here was very much on brahmin elite fascist; so specifically pointing out not a single element of constitution changes, executive, judiciary and bureaucracy all intact, No elected government was disenfranchised, the political mandate is still intact. And no elected official has any interest in fomenting anything in Balochistan.
Balochistan insurgency has no sympathizers among the voters of India which elect the "elite", unlike what from what President Musharraf said differs from Kashmir insurgency which has tremendous support in Pakistan.

If you read in entirety, it's all been in context.

 

[Dubious]

This is what you said when you quoted me first

It's called due diligence to secure its own interests. Probably an alien concept in this neck of the woods. If Discussing all aspects of enriching our bilateral relations and recognizing the positive role of strategic communication in deepening bilateral partnership (Almost Verbatim), is construed by Pakistani Luminaries as "Hopelessly crying"; such comprehension skills does alleviate the perplexing doubts circulating why such ridiculous narrative in the forum finds centerstage.

to which I replied:

Positive role? Seriously who are you kidding?

which mind you was also abt india!

Then I gave an example (purely for comparison purposes any one can see that unless they are a machine) of how indians have been behaving:

I didnt call it hopelessly crying! That is the word used by PDF indians for PM IK when he repeatedly gave an olive branch for regional security! What modi is doing is called crying crocodile tears! When approached with peace he and indians on PDF, laugh at it as weakness..but when modi does it ....interesting hypocrisy!

why he was not taken seriously and track record of Pakistan's state/nonstate solution.

based on a limited scope of history and by literally superimposing history on to a new man is really very narrow minded behaviour!

 

[Verve]

Indian(s) should stick to the topic and that's Modi moaning to Xi about Pakistan.

As if Xi gives a toss about Modi's usual rant for Indian public consumption! His reaction was a diplomatic slap but Indoos will celebrate Modi's moan.

 

[Dalit]

Absurd for India to shed crocodiles tears. Doklam taught India a good lesson.

 

[airmarshal]

If India does not want to engage, let it be. Pakistan too should raise its concerns about Indian sponsored terrorism.

 

[ZAC1]

Its same like somebody tells US about israel

 

[Chhatrapati]

If India does not want to engage, let it be. Pakistan too should raise its concerns about Indian sponsored terrorism.

I don't think that narrative would every fly. Pakistan tried this before, at the UN. Remember the RAW Dossier by
HH Sartaj Aziz which had no takers anywhere. Maybe you can try again hoping for a different result.

 

[pothead]

You can put a whole universe in the trust deficit we currently face vis a vis Pakistan.

Not even people to people contact is possible.
Even if some tries to do it, the common folks would not take kindly to it.

In fact, we should just shut down each others embassies and take each others folks out, shut the borders and maintain discrete off the books contact, to resolve any issues that need urgent resolving.

As long as the trust deficit exists, no Indian govt can afford to expend political capital engaging with Pakistan overtly.
Even Modi expended a lot of political capital in the first term.
Even with a bigger mandate this time, the political capital for a repeat does not exist even for him.

For any talks, public needs to acknowledge the tangible actions on the ground, ONLY THEN can an Indian govt dare to engage at a higher level.

 

[letsrock]

For any talks, public needs to acknowledge the tangible actions on the ground, ONLY THEN can an Indian govt dare to engage at a higher level.

Like reducing the military in the most militirized zone of the world ? stop sacrificing thousands of dalit, bc caste soldiers so that brahmin india can grab a few square kms of land like siachen ?

 

[MilSpec]

based on a limited scope of history and by literally superimposing history on to a new man is really very narrow minded behaviour!

Actually quite contrary to what you suggest, There is vast history of conduct of Pakistan's military that is being accounted for with engagement viz-a viz Pakistan.

Now, to address the other readers, if after reading my position they feel it's right oriented, or hawkish, here is a very recent video I was listening to from a very very liberal seasoned journalist of India. The adjectives he uses in the video are even unpalatable for me use, but more less it reflects broadly a majority of Indian educated (interested in geopolitics) opinion.

@WAJsal @Oscar tagging you guys not to discuss the merits of his discussion, but the role historical instances have played to shape the opinion today. Irrespective of click bait title, watch it in its entirety to get the subtext in this particular exchange, (@Oscar along with your post in the other thread)