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[SarthakGanguly]

A very very interesting character in the history of Kashmir.

He was very badly treated by the Center. This perception is shared by ALL kashmiris. Except the Islamist who claim him to be a murtid.

Then how did it turn into a taunt?

How did sickular turn into a taunt? Quite similar. Bad Governance, growing Islamism, Pakistani 'hospitality'.

 

[SrNair]

The new generation hardly knows about us. And a strange kind of hatred is there. I can't explain it. If you come out with a tikka on your head, you will hear some slangs. But you ask for help, and they will help! It's kinda shallow, I guess.

Means still some where in their heart

 

[Nova2]

We are hoping and praying he and his 5 colleagues are safe and Army resecues them soon.



We are not able to established any contact with them since this disaster happened.

He will be alright,keep calm. God Bless him.

Superstition and superstition only. Kashmir has always very vulnerable to floods and earth quakes. Giving it a religious touch sensationalizes the theme of discussion, nothing else.

But that is what at times binds people together,let the tide flow the way it is flowing hope its happening for a bright future of J&K.

 

[Chronos]

Also if you check now - after the 2005 (earthquakes when Army helped a lot)many Kashmiris are moving out and working/studying etc all over India. For Kashmiris this is a huge thing. My grandfather had never moved beyond Sialkot(now in Pak) and Ludhiyana! Even two decades back such was the case! Now many are overcoming the hatred/fear. Greater interaction has a normal and obvious effect. A Bihari(for example) gets to know that a Kashmiri can be a lady killer(not literally) but not a monster. (sure a few are, but now things have changed). Also the Kashmiri comes to know that the Hindu/Indian is not a Kashmiri hater/rapist maniac. This breaks boundaries quicker and 2 months down the line you see them become more liberal than us!

Bangalore has a huge Kashmiri expat community(mostly Muslim) We even have a Wazwan restaurant in HSR Layout So called 'conservative Kashmiris' will beat even Punjabis in gulping pegs (often much to my annoyance)

Had this been Swat, I would have said - bullets are the only solution. But in Kashmir, I am glad the Indian forces have adopted a largely correct policy.


True. Even Lal Dedh (patron saint) had many poems written about Shiva(Kashmir's fav deity) as well. Yet, here comes the contradiction - all Sufi shrines were destroyed in the last 2 decades. Some have been rebuilt, renovated, put back together now though.

There is also a rumor in the Valley - that the flood is a curse from Kausernag(for killing/driving out Pandits). Ancient tradition states that if He is disturbed, He brings destruction by flooding Kashmir back to nothing! Also Mattan (the only Hindu area) was untouched! This fueled more superstitions.

I hope they stay away from Kerala. Sons of the soil and all that. Malayala Nadu for Mallus. And Gelf

wonly!

 

[Yeti]

I will make a donation tomorrow via transfer

I will make a donation tomorrow via transfer

Good thing is I bank with Barclays so it will be quick for me to get across. God willing it will reach the people who need it.

 

[kurup]

Superstition and superstition only. Kashmir has always very vulnerable to floods and earth quakes. Giving it a religious touch sensationalizes the theme of discussion, nothing else.

If it helps the pandits and changes the attitude of majority of valley towards Hindus , I don't mind it .....

 

[Joe Shearer]

I was more than happy when I read this on FB and felt like sharing it here.
No need to give this post a like
Its not me who deserves a like but the guy who made this confession.

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My own reaction is a bit emotional.

1. During my recent visit, my strongly held belief in the innate hospitality and kindness of the ordinary Kashmiri, even of the religiously devout Kashmiri unable to relate to other religions, was reinforced.
2. The news of the floods, occurring within days of my departure, and affecting many of those - all of those - who had shown me kindness and hospitality was devastating.
3. Ata Hasnain's intermediation and the Indian Army's determined stand on rescue operations was a great relief.
4. IT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN OR OVERLOOKED THAT THE KASHMIRI KID IN THE STREET WAS HEROIC IN HIS RESPONSE.
5. The bickering on Facebook was exasperating. Why do we have provocateurs constantly asking,"Where are the stone-pelters now, huh?" Idiots. They demeaned the Army by sounding this false note. The Army is not acting, I believe, to gain cheap popularity; they are acting because like any civilised body of disciplined men and women, they find it natural to react to a tragedy like this in the way they are doing. They are doing their duty, and it is a natural thing to find this to be their duty.
6. Bless those who find this moving, but their thanks and their gratitude are their own. The Army's actions are its own. Even if they had been met with hostility (at places they were), I am proud that they did their duty, and never flinched.
7. The moral of the story: Beware of your enemies. Beware of your friends as well.

If it helps the pandits and changes the attitude of majority of valley towards Hindus , I don't mind it .....

And otherwise?

This is the kind of perversity that irritates me the most.

Well You will find much more confession like this in coming days.... some might be frank and speak out, some might feel embarrassed to speak out, some might try to convince themselves, no IA is a evil force.......

Confessions?

Kashmiris are soft hearted. Without external 'support' (ideological/material), anti Indian feelings is sure to recede.
We are not Iraqis/ME people that we will bay for blood all the time.

This has been the majority sentiment in all Kashmir. I would say 70% are neutral to India if not supporters of it. But there is a high acceptance of anti India feelings (rather anti Hindu feelings) even among those who are themselves neutral. It's a contradiction, true, but a largely harmless one.

Hint: There are more Maoists killings Indians than Kashmiris.

Without a Geelani, for example, Kashmiris will forget to hate India. The collective initiative is something that we lack. If someone tells them to hate us, with some persuasion they will! If there's no one to 'guide' they won't!

Very well put. Exactly what I would have liked to have said.

I had read this somewhere that kashmir lost its soul and so called kashmiriyat after pandits left Kashmir.When I happened to quote the same line here on the forum I earned some brickbats

This is a very complex issue and I would like to write about this separately.

Some strands of 'Kashmiriyat' are disconcerting - to the devout Muslim. To the ethnographer, these aspects are vindications. Some other time, perhaps.....the marriage customs of traditional Kashmiris bear a clue.

 

[kurup]

And otherwise?

This is the kind of perversity that irritates me the most.

1. I was just joking .

2. What otherwise are you talking about ??

 

[Joe Shearer]

1. I was just joking .

2. What otherwise are you talking about ??

You deserve an award for your sense of humour. Apt, well-timed, well-placed - what a marvel.

If it helps the pandits and changes the attitude of majority of valley towards Hindus , I don't mind it

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And if it doesn't help the Pandits and if it doesn't change the attitude of majority of valley towards Hindus, you would do what?

 

[kurup]

You deserve an award for your sense of humour. Apt, well-timed, well-placed - what a marvel.

Thanks .

And if it doesn't help the Pandits and if it doesn't change the attitude of majority of valley towards Hindus, you would do what?

Isn't it already the case ??

 

[Levina]

This is the kind of perversity that irritates me the most.

Sir,
Dont mind but that was just his way of taking a dig at a few friends.Nothing serious!

1. I was just joking .

I know!

 

[nair]

My own reaction is a bit emotional.

1. During my recent visit, my strongly held belief in the innate hospitality and kindness of the ordinary Kashmiri, even of the religiously devout Kashmiri unable to relate to other religions, was reinforced.

Was watching a news channel which was showing the flood relief operations, and the reporter went to a house which was flooded and spoken to the family, when she was trying to leave, the family was requesting her to sit and have a tea, and the reporter was kind of touched on their hospitality even when they were facing the worst flood ever happened in Kashmir..... She had to forcefully but politely reject the offer .....

1. The bickering on Facebook was exasperating. Why do we have provocateurs constantly asking,"Where are the stone-pelters now, huh?" Idiots. They demeaned the Army by sounding this false note. The Army is not acting, I believe, to gain cheap popularity; they are acting because like any civilised body of disciplined men and women, they find it natural to react to a tragedy like this in the way they are doing. They are doing their duty, and it is a natural thing to find this to be their duty..

I agree with your point on Armies role and their professionalism in this case, and it is true that their response would have been the same if this was happened in bengal, kerala or Gujarat.... but one cannot ignore the sentiments of those Indians who ask that question on stone pelting, because the way IA has been portrayed by certain section of society ..... When 26/11 happened similar questions were raised by citizens against MNS, that time the question was, where is MNS and its marathi manoos, and why are they not complaining that a South fellow or a Bihari who is working to release the hostages in Mumbai......

 

[anant_s]

Was watching a news channel which was showing the flood relief operations, and the reporter went to a house which was flooded and spoken to the family, when she was trying to leave, the family was requesting her to sit and have a tea, and the reporter was kind of touched on their hospitality even when they were facing the worst flood ever happened in Kashmir..... She had to forcefully but politely reject the offer .....

I agree with your point on Armies role and their professionalism in this case, and it is true that their response would have been the same if this was happened in bengal, kerala or Gujarat.... but one cannot ignore the sentiments of those Indians who ask that question on stone pelting, because the way IA has been portrayed by certain section of society ..... When 26/11 happened similar questions were raised by citizens against MNS, that time the question was, where is MNS and its marathi manoos, and why are they not complaining that a South fellow or a Bihari who is working to release the hostages in Mumbai......

I think those two cases you've mentioned tell us a lot. When an average Kashmiri family didnot forget their courtsey towards someone who visited them, it is wrong for us to generalize and paint all kashmiris in same color of stone pelters. It is in times of hardship that we find true heros and see people in their true self.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thanks .



Isn't it already the case ??

Oh, forget it. I wasn't in the right frame of mind to enjoy this kind of banter. Just let's drop it.

Was watching a news channel which was showing the flood relief operations, and the reporter went to a house which was flooded and spoken to the family, when she was trying to leave, the family was requesting her to sit and have a tea, and the reporter was kind of touched on their hospitality even when they were facing the worst flood ever happened in Kashmir..... She had to forcefully but politely reject the offer .....

I agree with your point on Armies role and their professionalism in this case, and it is true that their response would have been the same if this was happened in bengal, kerala or Gujarat.... but one cannot ignore the sentiments of those Indians who ask that question on stone pelting, because the way IA has been portrayed by certain section of society ..... When 26/11 happened similar questions were raised by citizens against MNS, that time the question was, where is MNS and its marathi manoos, and why are they not complaining that a South fellow or a Bihari who is working to release the hostages in Mumbai......

on the second point, Ata Hasnain said it all. To sum up, he said all it takes is for a few paid agents provocateur to throw stones at the Army, or to misbehave, and immediately there is a pack of overwrought Indians screaming at Kashmiri ingratitude and treachery! Which is exactly the thing most calculated to dispel the growing feeling of security and comfort within the ordinary Kashmiri, and to make them feel that people are behaving in a condescending and uppish manner just at their moment of greatest loss and greatest need for support and sympathy.

I'll try and trace it and paste it here. The man's never put a foot wrong.

 

[Joe Shearer]

"I would never want to write negative things at a time of tragedy but if I do not draw attention to this people may just unknowingly keep falling into the trap of the Separatists in Kashmir. When I wargame in my mind as to what I would have done if I found the Army getting too popular because of its humanitarian efforts which are drawing the respect of every Kashmiri, I come up with the answer --- just instigate a few incidents of stone throwing and spread a message that the Army was being selective in evacuation, giving preference to outsiders. We know there is no truth in any of this but uninformed people will start condemning Kashmiris and generally targeting their ire at them. This in turn will invite negative response on social media and the desired cleavage will be achieved much against the run of events which are actually cementing the public of Srinagar with the Army and rest of India because of the stupendous empathy.

My advice; please do not fall for this. There is a fringe and lunatic element there. As educated people look upon this as an opportunity to integrate rather than disintegrate. Refrain from commenting on this or giving it any significance."- Gen Ata Hasnain