Philosophical debates and logic puzzles

[SvenSvensonov]

@SvenSvensonov you're a military man; pray tell me why is my brother Jhungary always so serious in his replies ?

Are you American Servicemen sent on a 10 mile run merely for smiling let alone cracking a joke ?

@jhungary - My Brother; chill out and be merry !

On Topic: You're assuming that I'm talking about this happening right now with what we've available before us ? What if a hundred or two hundred years from now we add a third dimension that of 'feelings' to a program ? What would become of us then ? Would we be superseded ? Would logic demand that we ought to bow out while a newer, superior species take the place of their progenitors ?



Perhaps then you can answer a question for me: What is reason/logic ?

On @jhungary - to each their own. I can be a hothead too. On rational thought and logic, there is no correct answer, but from a generalist perspective logic follows a progression of verifiable statements, leaving no room for counterarguments or rebuttals as logic is supposed to be sound and airtight in its deduction or induction.


Here's a few more lateral thinking problems

Adults are holding children, waiting their turn. The children are handed (one at a time, usually) to a man, who holds them while a woman shoots them. If the child is crying, the man tries to stop the crying before the child is shot.

A man marries twenty women in his village but isn't charged with polygamy.

A woman came home with a bag of groceries, got the mail, and walked into the house. On the way to the kitchen, she went through the living room and looked at her husband, who had blown his brains out. She continued to the kitchen, put away the groceries, and made dinner.

A man is alone on an island with no food and no water, yet he does not fear for his life.

A cabin, locked from the inside, is perched on the side of a mountain. It is forced open, and thirty people are found dead inside. They had plenty of food and water.

A man lives on the twelfth floor of an apartment building. Every morning he takes the elevator down to the lobby and leaves the building. In the evening, he gets into the elevator, and, if there is someone else in the elevator -- or if it was raining that day -- he goes back to his floor directly. Otherwise, he goes to the tenth floor and walks up two flights of stairs to his apartment.

 

[Levina]

Arghhhh! No science in philosophy, not that your position is wrong, its just not right either.

Hmmm, the same physical characteristics? What of a human who's mind has been transplanted into a robotic body, an android, is he human still?

Tell me your definition of human first.

Just the brain and intelligence is not sufficient to be called a human being.....thats what I think.

The animal in the blue house is a horse,

Thanks for explaining it to me.
But the puzzle mentions "horse lives next to diplomat's house'. How did find out that the blue house is where the horse lives??
I am still sitting with my pencil and paper.lol.
Just that I have not been able to fill all the columns.

 

[Jungibaaz]

@Armstrong @SvenSvensonov @jhungary @levina and others.

I found it:

The Scale of the Universe 2
The Scale of the Universe

When first I came across it, I spent some 15 mins just looking over it with an uncomfortable smile on my face.
Someone spent a lot of effort making this, and it is up there with the best things on the internet. Remember to slide the pointer both ways and click on pics for info.

Feeling small yet?
Feeling huge yet?

 

[jhungary]

On @jhungary - to each their own. I can be a hothead too. On rational thought and logic, there is no correct answer, but from a generalist perspective logic follows a progression of verifiable statements, leaving no room for counterarguments or rebuttals as logic is supposed to be sound and airtight in its deduction or induction.


Here's a few more lateral thinking problems

Adults are holding children, waiting their turn. The children are handed (one at a time, usually) to a man, who holds them while a woman shoots them. If the child is crying, the man tries to stop the crying before the child is shot.

A man marries twenty women in his village but isn't charged with polygamy.

A woman came home with a bag of groceries, got the mail, and walked into the house. On the way to the kitchen, she went through the living room and looked at her husband, who had blown his brains out. She continued to the kitchen, put away the groceries, and made dinner.

A man is alone on an island with no food and no water, yet he does not fear for his life.

A cabin, locked from the inside, is perched on the side of a mountain. It is forced open, and thirty people are found dead inside. They had plenty of food and water.

A man lives on the twelfth floor of an apartment building. Every morning he takes the elevator down to the lobby and leaves the building. In the evening, he gets into the elevator, and, if there is someone else in the elevator -- or if it was raining that day -- he goes back to his floor directly. Otherwise, he goes to the tenth floor and walks up two flights of stairs to his apartment.

lol now you probably know why i like paradox a lot more than a riddle....hehe

 

[Levina]

no...one of the condition of the barber is he will only cut people who are not willing to cut themselves.

Suppose all the town male including the barber is well groomed, the barbar would only have 1 of 2 choice, either he cut himself, or he let the barber (himself) cut him. But remember he only cut people who are not willing to cut himself. So if either choice involve shaving himself, that is the only thing he could not do as he only shave people who dont shave themselves

I give up...

 

[Armstrong]

On @jhungary - to each their own. I can be a hothead too. On rational thought and logic, there is no correct answer, but from a generalist perspective logic follows a progression of verifiable statements, leaving no room for counterarguments or rebuttals as logic is supposed to be sound and airtight in its deduction or induction.

Correct answer ? There is no answer; not a single one because neither of the terms verifiable, argument or counter-argument can be defined without resorting to logic - something you're trying to define to begin with. How then do you define something that calls for being defined using concepts that need 'it' to define 'them' in the first place ?

 

[jhungary]

I give up...

lol give you a tips, look at it this way. In a liar paradox,

The possible solution for a This statement is false is to interpret it as this statement is true hence this statement is false....

So when you apply this to a more complicated russel model, you would get an answer eventually.

Only one rule, dont give up

 

[Levina]

@Armstrong @SvenSvensonov @jhungary @levina and others.

I found it:

The Scale of the Universe 2
The Scale of the Universe

When first I came across it, I spent some 15 mins just looking over it with an uncomfortable smile on my face.
Someone spent a lot of effort making this, and it is up there with the best things on the internet. Remember to slide the pointer both ways and click on pics for info.

Feeling small yet?
Feeling huge yet?

I am unable to open that link.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Thanks for explaining it to me.
But the puzzle mentions "horse lives next to diplomat's house'. How did find out that the blue house is where the horse lives??
I am still sitting with my pencil and paper.lol.
Just that I have not been able to fill all the columns.

Well, you know that the blue house is next to the Norwegian's. I found that the Norwegian is the diplomat somehow with the fact that other houses were other colours, it was red and the house next to him was blue, I got this quite early, can't remember how now, but then it says that the horse is the house next to the diplomat.

 

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong @SvenSvensonov @jhungary @levina and others.

I found it:

The Scale of the Universe 2
The Scale of the Universe

When first I came across it, I spent some 15 mins just looking over it with an uncomfortable smile on my face.
Someone spent a lot of effort making this, and it is up there with the best things on the internet. Remember to slide the pointer both ways and click on pics for info.

Feeling small yet?
Feeling huge yet?

@SvenSvensonov what if the Universe, Reality and everything in between is all in my head ?

What if the thought of them being in my head is also in my head and has no real existence ?

 

[Jungibaaz]

I am unable to open that link.

Have you tried both links?

 

[Levina]

Only one rule, dont give up

Lol
I'm not as smart as you guys.
Now explain it to me...pls.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Tell me your definition of human first.

Just the brain and intelligence is not sufficient to be called a human being.....thats what I think.

Hahahaha, you know I've taken so much time questioning and challenging others that I've not even though about what is human.

Human to me is this:

Human's are neither biological nor unique. We share chemical processing with animals and plants, our intelligence can be replicated too. Human is not a condition, it's a concept that exists in our minds. If I put my consciousness in a robotic body I'll be content with calling myself me, even if I leave my flesh behind. Perhaps, in short, human is an acceptance of one's self, not specifically our intelligence or consciousness or flesh, but an acceptance of our own existence.

It's a bit ethereal, but now that I think about this question, this is the answer I hold. No matter my shape or state, if I believe in myself, I am me.

If a robot trusts in its own existence, than to me it is human.

@Armstrong @SvenSvensonov @jhungary @levina and others.

I found it:

The Scale of the Universe 2
The Scale of the Universe

When first I came across it, I spent some 15 mins just looking over it with an uncomfortable smile on my face.
Someone spent a lot of effort making this, and it is up there with the best things on the internet. Remember to slide the pointer both ways and click on pics for info.

Feeling small yet?
Feeling huge yet?

Always small, even in my own house I am one of two people, a dog and thousands of feet of empty space! Thank's for making me feel insignificant again. Human minds don't do well with large pictures, concepts or rationalizations, hence why imagining anything too big is very, very large.

Here's a fun exercise that doesn't involve philosophy, but is no less painful. Try to imaging 10 blocs in your mind. You can right? Now try 100. Now 1000. and keep upping the factor by 10. Tell me if you can. I bet you can't. Our brains just don't do good with large numbers or concepts.

@Nihonjin1051 - @Jungibaaz hurt my self-worth and over-sized ego, do you have an opening in your office?

Correct answer ? There is no answer; not a single one because neither of the terms verifiable, argument or counter-argument can be defined without resorting to logic - something you're trying to define to begin with. How then do you define something that calls for being defined using concepts that need 'it' to define 'them' in the first place ?

Quite! That's the beauty of logic. If given the time I can construct an airtight construct that can convince you that an eggplant is a sentient being! Hence why I've offered thought this thread that there are no right or wrong answers, expect for thinking and trying.

 

[Armstrong]

Quite! That's the beauty of logic. If given the time I can construct an airtight construct that can convince you that an eggplant is a sentient being! Hence why I've offered thought this thread that there are no right or wrong answers, expect for thinking and trying.

Exactly but what I'm more perplexed about is that we're utilizing something to define other thins when we're unable to define that something to begin with ?

Even the above line of reasoning is constructed using 'reason' and yet I can't really 'define' what 'reason' is to begin with ? And we haven't even gone further down the line into 'right and wrong' or 'acceptable and unacceptable' ?

Man I love philosophy !

I wish it paid to read those thick totems of some of the best minds to have ever lived !

 

[SvenSvensonov]

@SvenSvensonov what if the Universe, Reality and everything in between is all in my head ?

What if the thought of them being in my head is also in my head and has no real existence ?

Oh, great... I'm in your head!!! No wonder it's so strange around here. And If I have no existence, am nothing more than a construct you constructed but not really as now you are doubting yourself, well, it was nice knowing you.