Persian or Arabian Gulf? Iran, Saudi fight over name

[bozorgmehr]

I'm giving you sources and you're replying back with your own opinions.

Have you read Ahmad Kasravi? Or is he still banned by the Ayatollahs?

Giving me sources? You've done no such thing. You've just thrown a few names around and blurted out a few crazy ideas far, far outside of conventional reading of history.

Everybody can do that you know! Throw out a name and say whatever you want. Reminds of these eternal Shia-Sunni debates that never go anywhere. And that's only one book.

And what do you want with Kasravi? Do you now want to now talk about supposed Safavid crimes according to him?

 

[bozorgmehr]

Why Arabian Gulf and not the Persian Gulf?

1- Used by the Arab League.
2- Used by United Nations in their Arabic documents and Arabic Language is an official language in the United Nations.
3- The name “Persian gulf” is linked to the Persian empire that does not exist any more. As Mediterranean sea used to be called Roman Sea.
4- Iran does not mean Persia, Iranian people consist of Persians, Arabs, Azeri, Turkmen, Kurds, Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Lurs, and Baluchis.
5- The people who live around the gulf are mostly Arabs so by demography it should be called Arabian Gulf.
6- There are 6 Arabic countries around the gulf but Iran is alone and 70% of the coast line is under Arabic countries.

I think you missed a few more arab 'facts'...

7- god made a mistake in creating Jews, flies and Persians.
8- We attacked and managed to enslave Persians... so we own them.
9- Persians were killed off anyway, and replaced by beduin Arabs
10- Iran? What Iran?

 

[SALMAN F]

all lands on both sides of the Arabian Gulf are populated by Arabs, so it's ridiculous to say it's not Arabian.
Farsi are trying to steal everything they can by fabricating facts or changing demography of Ahwaz area.
It was Arabian and it still Arabian and it's not gonna be anything else.

There is no arabs on both sides if you go in history because arabs were living in the desert

Khuzestan is nieboring Basra and the all the iranian Cuast is khuzestan as the so called ahwazi and arab animals put fabricated maps

Don't speak about fabricating and falsifying you are the last people to talk about it

How its still arab if it was never arab to saudi with low IQ just like saying the Gulf of Mexico is american and still american even when it was never an american gulf but mexican???

Imposing your will? You are decaying like a dry turd, if you don't know it yet. The Houthis will bury once for good, the dynasty created by the British...
...The Golf was always known as PERSIAN and ALWAYS will be..

Just how these low lives fabricated and call North Africa as the arab morocco but in history in was the amazigh morocco or the islamic maghreb

 

[Khafee]

@Horus @HRK Dumb thread has run it's course. Kindly shut it down.

Thank You

 

[bozorgmehr]

Mr Khafee comes, up thumbs pan-arabic 'facts' and then asks mods to shut down the thread...lol... Let's not discuss anything.... Everything is going swimmingly in the region...

Anyways, gotta go guys... have a good one... smell you later...

 

[kollang]

Why Arabian Gulf and not the Persian Gulf?

1- Used by the Arab League.
2- Used by United Nations in their Arabic documents and Arabic Language is an official language in the United Nations.
3- The name “Persian gulf” is linked to the Persian empire that does not exist any more. As Mediterranean sea used to be called Roman Sea.
4- Iran does not mean Persia, Iranian people consist of Persians, Arabs, Azeri, Turkmen, Kurds, Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Lurs, and Baluchis.
5- The people who live around the gulf are mostly Arabs so by demography it should be called Arabian Gulf.
6- There are 6 Arabic countries around the gulf but Iran is alone and 70% of the coast line is under Arabic countries.

I know this is stupid but I want to turn Arab for a couple of miniutes....

Reasons why Jordan is not a real country.

1-because I say it.

2-because there are 12 million people living in Tehran who think Jordan is name of a street not a country and people who live in The country named Jordan are less than half of Tehran's population. ( its a famous street in Tehran known for its luxery)

3-because there are 250 milions in USA believing Jordan is a basketball player.

4-because the country is run by a Brtitish king?

.......... Ok thats enough, Arab mode turned off, lets get back to the reality.this is historically and officially Persian gulf, you can check UN's official map everyday and see its beautiful and glory name, Persian, on it. and against all odds Jordan also happens to be a country in spite the fact that there more people thinking Jordan is not a country.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The official and historical name is Persian gulf and it is recognized by UN.they can name it whatever they want.it doesn't change the fact.

Any country can decide what they want to call something, so nothing stops the Arabs
from calling it the Arabian Gulf, and the rest of the World will continue to call it the Persian Gulf.

Germans dont live in Germany, they live in Deutschland (or Tyskland, as it is called in the Nordic countries)
or Allemagne or whatever.
Names are not stable either.
The Public Service TV here just decided that Vitryssland (White Russia) should be called Bielo Russia,
which is what the natives call theur country.

 

[SALMAN F]

The Indians and Pakistanis and other south Asians are more than the arabs in the so called gulf countries all of them didnt even exist before the 20th century

 

[kollang]

Any country can decide what they want to call something, so nothing stops the Arabs
from calling it the Arabian Gulf, and the rest of the World will continue to call it the Persian Gulf.

Germans dont live in Germany, they live in Deutschland (or Tyskland, as it is called in the Nordic countries)
or Allemagne or whatever.
Names are not stable either.
The Public Service TV here just decided that Vitryssland (White Russia) should be called Bielo Russia,
which is what the natives call theur country.

Thats exactly what I said in the first post.Iranians and the rest keep using the right name regardless of what Arabs say.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Thats exactly what I said in the first post.Iranians and the rest keep using the right name regardless of what Arabs say.

No, If the Arabs decide that it should be called the Arabian Gulf, then this is also right - for them.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

A few years ago when the DNA tests of the Tehranis, Tajiks, and Pashtuns emerged it turned out that Tehranis had 10% Yamnaya ancestry as compared to 60-70% for the average Pashtun and Tajik. Yamnaya btw is the defining ancestry of Iranian peoples.

Most archeologists have now concluded that the original inhabitants of Iraq and Iran were wiped out by the Mongols and most of the current inhabitants are descended from later Bedouins migrants.

In the Chinese 36 strategies this is known as 'Create something from nothing'. There is no more Persian empire just vultures decking themselves with its bones.

nonsense.

A recent report has shown the presence of a new mutation G/A−13914in another LP case from Germany, making the immediate vicinity of C/T−13910 region a potential region for the accumulation of the rare alleles associated with LP.32 Our sequence analysis of two African tribes in Northern Sudan, the Gaali and the Mahas, revealed the presence of the G−13915 allele (17%) among the Mahas (the tribes of proposed Arabic origin) and G−13907 allele (5%) among Gaali. In West Arabic populations of Northern Africa (Moroccans and Saharawis) and in East Arabic populations (Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanon's, and Palestine's), the sequence analysis revealed the presence of both T−13910 and G−13915 but at different frequencies, implying genetic heterogeneity behind LP in these populations.

Resequencing our 143 “global” samples from 12 different populations showed an almost total lack of the C−3712-G−13915 allele in the local neighboring populations of Arabs, such as Iranians. This would suggest that this compound allele would originate from the Arabian Peninsula.

Independent Introduction of Two Lactase-Persistence Alleles into Human Populations Reflects Different History of Adaptation to Milk Culture

For the same reason the Safavid Turks imported thousands of Levantine Arabs from Lebanon and wiped out the native Sunni ulema. They wanted to create a state which would be so different in nature from all the region that the nearby empires would find it difficult to incorporate it into their empire.
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Safavids were kurdish in origins, not turks. They wiped out the rotten ideology from the land and saved us from Taliban, Alqaeda, Boko Haram, Isis etc.

Tell your "Iranian facts" to someone who cares, because i don't. You have admitted yourself Iranians are no angels and same goes for Saudis. They are creating problems for themselves and others.

Iran is safer than France, not 1 isis attack in Iran. We want to spread our evil ideology in the region so that other countries will become immune to isis virus.

 

[oprih]

In the Philippines, it's called Persian Gulf.

 

[Madali]

A few years ago when the DNA tests of the Tehranis, Tajiks, and Pashtuns emerged it turned out that Tehranis had 10% Yamnaya ancestry as compared to 60-70% for the average Pashtun and Tajik. Yamnaya btw is the defining ancestry of Iranian peoples.

Most archeologists have now concluded that the original inhabitants of Iraq and Iran were wiped out by the Mongols and most of the current inhabitants are descended from later Bedouins migrants.

In the Chinese 36 strategies this is known as 'Create something from nothing'. There is no more Persian empire just vultures decking themselves with its bones.

You guys don't understand that we honestly don't care about DNA. Anyone who is a citizen of Iran is Iranian, full stop, the end, simple as that.

 

[Razia Sultana]

How about Islamic Gulf ? Issue solved

Its more of Gulf between Islamic nations.

 

[Madali]

Those Arab countries, for their maps and books, can call it whatever they want. They can call it "Iran is a Poopoo Head Gulf" for all we care.

It used to be called Persian Gulf and that's why it is still referred to that in the world. Seriously, if it was called "Arabs are so Awesome Gulf" since ancient times, we would have used that name and wouldn't care.