Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Panther 57]

Everything is there but in the end NS is Sadiq and Ameen. Abb ker lo jo kerna ha. This is the state of affairs of Pakistan and no shortage of people coming to defend his highness.

Whatever may be said on media by both, fact remains that the one who levels an allegation has the burden of proof. In current case PTI also have a number of points where they have to prove the allegation. Likewise, MNS also has to prove money trail for those properties which have been owned.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

I dont think even street protest or call for dharna will bring any result too.... Because as happened on dharna call for 2nd nov, gov will again arrest people and not allow people to group..we all remember what happened when KP chief minister tried to come for dharna.. Army will again not stop gov from using such tactics, like last time...so ppl will not be able to gather in crowds....so i think call for street protest will not bear fruit... I dont see any end to this rotten system....

@Doordie has today's proceedings finished..or not yet? What more jokes did judges entertain us today with?

@Farah Sohail in IMO these kind of success requires are really bloody scrafices and the crowds should be stubborn willing to die for corruption jus like we are willing to die for Pakistan against of neighbors ( India )


Well they ( Judge's ) said Billo Rani a man
So he is man

And its going on i checked in web site

 

[PakSword]

What I have understood from recent proceedings (and I might be wrong):

1 - PTI has to prove beneficial ownership of the companies prior to 2006 under Mariam Nawaz to completely ridicule Qatari letter and the trust deed.

2 - PTI has to assist court in proving Mariam as dependent on her father. They are trying hard but till now court is not satisfied with their argument.

3 - PMLN has to prove ownership of the companies prior to 2006 under Qatari prince to give one more lifeline to Qatari letter.

4 - PMLN has to provide all the evidences related to investment in Dubai factories, Qatari real state business in 70s and 80s. These will may include legal transfer of money from Pakistan, or loan grant letters from Qatar (if the money wasn't transferred and factories were setup after getting loans) to give an additional lifeline to Qatari letter.

5 - PMLN has to provide all the evidences related to legal transfer of companies to Hussain Nawaz to give third lifeline to Qatari letter.

6 - PMLN has to provide all the evidences of setting up Jeddah factory, including legal money transfer transactions etc.


Now I have two questions:

1 - What if PTI is not able to prove beneficial ownership prior to 2006 under Mariam Nawaz and also couldn't prove Mariam dependency on her father? Will court forget about all other points and give clean chit to PM?

2 - What if both parties aren't able to prove the above points?

3 - What will happen if PTI proves, but PMLN is not able to prove anything.. Will court be able to gather courage to disqualify PM and his family?

Case is now extremely straight forward, but I see both parties not convincingly prove anything before the court and NS getting clean chit on the basis of lack of evidence.

Only Justice Azmat Saeed is saying that SC will accept Naeem Bukhari's argument if Shareef's aren't able to provide any document.

 

[mr.robot]

What I have understood from recent proceedings (and I might be wrong):

1 - PTI has to prove beneficial ownership of the companies prior to 2006 under Mariam Nawaz to completely ridicule Qatari letter and the trust deed.

2 - PTI has to assist court in proving Mariam as dependent on her father. They are trying hard but till now court is not satisfied with their argument.

3 - PMLN has to prove ownership of the companies prior to 2006 under Qatari prince to give one more lifeline to Qatari letter.

4 - PMLN has to provide all the evidences related to investment in Dubai factories, Qatari real state business in 70s and 80s. These will may include legal transfer of money from Pakistan, or loan grant letters from Qatar (if the money wasn't transferred and factories were setup after getting loans) to give an additional lifeline to Qatari letter.

5 - PMLN has to provide all the evidences related to legal transfer of companies to Hussain Nawaz to give third lifeline to Qatari letter.

6 - PMLN has to provide all the evidences of setting up Jeddah factory, including legal money transfer transactions etc.


Now I have two questions:

1 - What if PTI is not able to prove beneficial ownership prior to 2006 under Mariam Nawaz and also couldn't prove Mariam dependency on her father? Will court forget about all other points and give clean chit to PM?

2 - What if both parties aren't able to prove the above points?

3 - What will happen if PTI proves, but PMLN is not able to prove anything.. Will court be able to gather courage to disqualify PM and his family?

Case is now extremely straight forward, but I see both parties not convincingly prove anything before the court and NS getting clean chit on the basis of lack of evidence.

Only Justice Azmat Saeed is saying that SC will accept Naeem Bukhari's argument if Shareef's aren't able to provide any document.

Add another question
- How was charge of 34 Million USD paid in AlToufeeq case?

A lot of things will get cleared how defence presents their case. The only clean chit PM will get is a commission to further probe things. Otherwise it is down the hill for Sharif Family.

A clear clean chit would set the example that any accused can get his money white by presenting a letter from abroad and it isn't going to happen.

Another Miracle of Sharif Family narrated by bhaag bhari.

Mian Sharif died in 2004 and flats were transferred in 2005 to Mian Sharif

https://twitter.com/AbbTakk/status/817257829555765250

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword did those documents and emails, which PTI submitted recently, come in discussion in court today? What was judges' reaction to those emails, which prove maryam as beneficial owner?

 

[Imad.Khan]

Add another question
- How was charge of 34 Million USD paid in AlToufeeq case?

A lot of things will get cleared how defence presents their case. The only clean chit PM will get is a commission to further probe things. Otherwise it is down the hill for Sharif Family.

A clear clean chit would set the example that any accused can get his money white by presenting a letter from abroad and it isn't going to happen.

Another Miracle of Sharif Family narrated by bhaag bhari.

Mian Sharif died in 2004 and flats were transferred in 2005 to Mian Sharif

https://twitter.com/AbbTakk/status/817257829555765250

there are some funny comments in that twitter link.

 

[PakSword]

Another Miracle of Sharif Family narrated by bhaag bhari.

Ohh yeaah! That was another epic statement by Mariam.. Lolz.. If it's really true, this statement has broken all the previous records...

https://twitter.com/x/status/817257829555765250

I thought the companies, not the flats were transferred and that too in 2006 ti Hasan Nawaz as per the supposed will of Mian Sharif.. is aurat ne tou ghuma kar rakh dia..

@PakSword did those documents and emails, which PTI submitted recently, come in discussion in court today? What was judges' reaction to those emails, which prove maryam as beneficial owner?

Yes, the documents were presented and discussed quite in detail. They didn't even question how did PTI get the documents.

 

[PakSword]

یہ آج سو کر اٹھا ہے

https://twitter.com/x/status/817257544565420032

 

[PakSword]

یہ ہوتی ہے برکت.. اگر کسی کو بھی پیسے میں برکت والی کہانیوں پر شک تھا تو وہ آج دور ہوجاۓگا ​

https://twitter.com/x/status/817252985696722950

https://twitter.com/x/status/817253047260676097

https://twitter.com/x/status/817253047260676097

https://twitter.com/x/status/817253183248416772

https://twitter.com/x/status/817253207436988417

https://twitter.com/x/status/817253227431219201

 

[biloo700]

abhi tu buhut se comedy statements ayenge Sharif Family ki taraf se ... Imran khan ne abhi sirf Panama papers k 25% documents submit kye hain ... PTI ne international firm hire ki thee ALACO us ne saray documents arrange kiye hain ... jo thoray thoray time k sath SC pe submit hote raheinge ! ALACO wohi company hai jis ko NAB ne 90's k time me hire kiye tha

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes, the documents were presented and discussed quite in detail. They didn't even question how did PTI get the documents.

So now...is the court satisfied now...tht Maryam is the owner...after those documents were discussed? or judgesstill rasied some questions..ke phir bhi aap sabit karein..koi aur suboot laayein?

 

[PakSword]

So now...is the court satisfied now...tht Maryam is the owner...after those documents were discussed? or judgesstill rasied some questions..ke phir bhi aap sabit karein..koi aur suboot laayein?

Satisfied? Not yet..

Mariam challenged the documents saying that the signatures on the documents were not hers. She said the documents are fake.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Satisfied? Not yet..

Mariam challenged the documents saying that the signatures on the documents were not hers. She said the documents are fake.

Koi Allah ka waasta bata dey.. ke judges kis evidence se satisfy honge? Naeem Bukhari should ask this from judges himself..ke huzoor...what evidence do u want? aap kis cheez ko suboot maanein ge... humein bataa dein.. hum woh laanay ki koshish karein ge...
Judges ne sirf main na maanoun ki ratt lagayi hui hai.. bas comedy show chal raha hai

edit: oh ok, so Maryam challenged.. but wasn't it verified through a forensic firm?

 

[biloo700]

Koi Allah ka waasta bata dey.. ke judges kis evidence se satisfy honge? Naeem Bukhari should ask this from judges himself..ke huzoor...what evidence do u want? aap kis cheez ko suboot maanein ge... humein bataa dein.. hum woh laanay ki koshish karein ge...
Judges ne sirf main na maanoun ki ratt lagayi hui hai.. bas comedy show chal raha hai

edit: oh ok, so Maryam challenged.. but wasn't it verified through a forensic firm?

Maryam nawaz ka comedy wala jawab tu aney dein .. like 2nd hand BMW jis ki price rakhe rakhe double hoti rahi .. money trail en k pass hai nae .. money trail ki jaga Qatri ka letter hai Jeddah ki mill lose me thee phr bhee profit me sell kr di

 

[PakSword]

Koi Allah ka waasta bata dey.. ke judges kis evidence se satisfy honge? Naeem Bukhari should ask this from judges himself..ke huzoor...what evidence do u want? aap kis cheez ko suboot maanein ge... humein bataa dein.. hum woh laanay ki koshish karein ge...
Judges ne sirf main na maanoun ki ratt lagayi hui hai.. bas comedy show chal raha hai

edit: oh ok, so Maryam challenged.. but wasn't it verified through a forensic firm?

Forensic firm can only provide the documents. Only government departments can send the documents to original sources to get them verified. For example, financial investigation agency will not respond to PTI or forensic firm on third party's related documents and emails verification requests. But if our FIA or NAB will request citing money laundering investigation, they will comply.

Case is going towards formation of commission....