Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Farah Sohail]

Agree.

He will prove to be a bigger hurdle for NS & Co. in the next elections if goon league goes for rigging..

True.. He can be another nightmare for Godfather league, after IK.. Infact he already is...a nightmare for them.. Bas main yeh soch rahi hun....tht if elections 2018 happen in May..like 2013... Tu inki retirement tak...PTI ya doosri parties ke pass bhtt kam time hoga challenge karnay ke liye... Initial kuch months tu EC ke chakkar lagany main hi khatam hojayein ge.. 2014 dharna bhi ...after 1 yr hua tha..aur Justice Khosa ki retirement ..yr end tak hojayegi ... Aur PML N ki poori koshish hogi ke kisi tarah in cheezon ko delay ki jaye ke agar inke hotay huay petition aa bhi jaye tu yeh khud ne bethein us main....ke kahin retirement beech main na aajaye..aur dosray judges par bench banaa dein.. Godfather party ke pass bhi 1000 tricks hongi... Although justice Gulzar bhi koi unke liye achay nahi honge

 

[PakSword]

True.. He can be another nightmare for Godfather league, after IK.. Infact he already is...a nightmare for them.. Bas main yeh soch rahi hun....tht if elections 2018 happen in May..like 2013... Tu inki retirement tak...PTI ya doosri parties ke pass bhtt kam time hoga challenge karnay ke liye... Initial kuch months tu EC ke chakkar lagany main hi khatam hojayein ge.. 2014 dharna bhi ...after 1 yr hua tha..aur Justice Khosa ki retirement ..yr end tak hojayegi ... Aur PML N ki poori koshish hogi ke kisi tarah in cheezon ko delay ki jaye ke agar inke hotay huay petition aa bhi jaye tu yeh khud ne bethein us main....ke kahin retirement beech main na aajaye..aur dosray judges par bench banaa dein.. Godfather party ke pass bhi 1000 tricks hongi... Although justice Gulzar bhi koi unke liye achay nahi honge

Tou unn ke baad Justice Gulzar hongay in shaa Allah...

 

[Baghial]

True.. He can be another nightmare for Godfather league, after IK.. Infact he already is...a nightmare for them.. Bas main yeh soch rahi hun....tht if elections 2018 happen in May..like 2013... Tu inki retirement tak...PTI ya doosri parties ke pass bhtt kam time hoga challenge karnay ke liye... Initial kuch months tu EC ke chakkar lagany main hi khatam hojayein ge.. 2014 dharna bhi ...after 1 yr hua tha..aur Justice Khosa ki retirement ..yr end tak hojayegi ... Aur PML N ki poori koshish hogi ke kisi tarah in cheezon ko delay ki jaye ke agar inke hotay huay petition aa bhi jaye tu yeh khud ne bethein us main....ke kahin retirement beech main na aajaye..aur dosray judges par bench banaa dein.. Godfather party ke pass bhi 1000 tricks hongi... Although justice Gulzar bhi koi unke liye achay nahi honge

just a small question farah sohail pls tell me how do i start a new thread. ...

 

[QatariPrince]

https://twitter.com/x/status/867376286334930944

 

[Mansoon]

The end is near:
Panama JIT decides to summon PM Nawaz
May 24, 2017

By: Samaa Web Desk

Published in Pakistan

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ISLAMABAD: The Joint Investigation Team formed to investigate the Panama Leaks scandal has decided to summon Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and a notice in this regard has been prepared.

According to details, the Prime Minister will be sent a notice along with the questions which the JIT will pose to him. The JIT would ask the premier to appear before the investigation team with the answers.

The Joint Investigation Team will not head to the Prime Minister House to probe the premier. The JIT also dismissed reservations expressed by Hussain Nawaz on two of its members.

JIT may decide verdict in one month’s time: Sheikh Rasheed

Chief of Awami Muslim League (AML) Sheikh Rasheed Ahmad spoke to SAMAA TV and said that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif would ax his own foot due to the current crisis.

“Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is scared and anxious,” said the AML chief. “Nawaz will have to make a big decision in the end,” he added.

Sheikh Rasheed said that it was possible that the premier would make an extremely important decision next month. Rasheed said that when Pakistani rulers got into trouble, Jindal came to their rescue.

 

[Farah Sohail]

just a small question farah sohail pls tell me how do i start a new thread. ...

Go to the section, ( e.g siasat section, or strategic and foreign affairs section etc) in which you want to create a new thread....then at the bottom right of that section..theres an option, to create new thread...

https://twitter.com/x/status/867376286334930944

@PakSword MashaAllah.. Dekha..aap ne? Story says tht
A special bench of the Supreme Court will hear the petition on May 29.
which special bench? Aali Hazrat janab izzat Maab Advocate jisay head karrahay hain..wohi bench? Ya koi aur banay ga..iske liye? Agar tu haq aur sach ki zinda misal, advocate wala bench hoga...tu phir advocate ki karaamat tu aap jantay hi hain... Suna tha ke yeh petition last hearing jo hui thee...advocate walay bench ki..us se pehle hi petition aagayi thee... Lekin us din nahi suna....ab iski alag date de di gayi hai... Waah...

Ji abhi dunya news ki report dekhi.. Alhamdolillah, Advocate wala bench hi sunay ga isay.. Alhamdolillah..

Mujhe darr hai ke kahin stay na de dein..ye bench...ke jab tak is request ka faisla nahi hojata..JIT apna kaam rok dey

 

[Realistic Change]

Smart move by PMLN raising objection on members of JIT. Well played - long shot!

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword @Realistic Change @Guvera
Aaj Ch Ghulam Hussain ne kuch imp news di hain.. Lekin sab se pehle bench se related news deti hun.. He says tht Justice Khosa and Gulzar has conveyed their message to SC registrar and Chief Justice, in writing..ke hum ne jo faisla dena tha..is case main..woh de diya hai.. Ab hum mazeed is case main kuch nahi karna chahtay.. Na kisi JIT report ki humein zuroorat hai..na faisla hum ne change karna hai..so we are not available anymore for this case... Jisy kuch log keh rahay thay na..ke shayad JIT report 5 member bench ke pass jaye..tu woh nahi hoga.. Lekin ek aur baat Ch Ghulam ahussain keh rahay hain ke ab is 3 member bench ki majority chahye..yeh nahi ke 2 vote wahan se le lein, aur 1 vote is bench se... Ah samajh nahi aaraha.. Klasra was also very confident...ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke vote count honge.. Yahan tak tu main samajh sakti hun ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ne keh diya hoga ke ab hum mazeed proceedings ka hissa nahi banein ge..lekin kiya yeh bhi iska matlab hoga..ya yeh bhi Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ne kaha hoga..ke humara vote bhi na count karein? Ya yeh Ch Ghulam Hussain ki apni understanding hogi?

Klasra ne tu aaj prog main bhi wohi baat repeat ki...ke 20th april ka verdict court order tha..matlab ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke vote count honge.. He is very confident.. Lagta hai ke unki source bhi pakki hai.. At pata nahi..in dono main se kis ki baat ko sahi maanein?

Aur jo doosri news Ch Ghulam Hussain ne di hain..woh yeh ke JIT Ishaq Dar aur shayad kuch family members ko ECL par daalnay ka soch rahi hai.. Ishaq Dar ko tu soch hi rahi hai atleast.. Maryam nawaz ko bhi bulayegi JIT along with pther family members..Aur yeh ke 90% chances are tht...7th June tak..JIT apni final report compile kar ley... Aur Ch Ghulam Hussain yeh bhi keh rahay hain ke JIT Fawad Hasan Fawad ko bhi bulaa saktay hain.. Ch Ghulam Hussian khud bhi sure nahi thay..ke unhein kiun bulayein ge? Lekin FHF ko bulaa saktay hain.. Waisy kal Ch Ghulam Hussain ne FHF ke against investigations start honay ka bataya tha

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword @Realistic Change @Guvera
Aaj Ch Ghulam Hussain ne kuch imp news di hain.. Lekin sab se pehle bench se related news deti hun.. He says tht Justice Khosa and Gulzar has conveyed their message to SC registrar and Chief Justice, in writing..ke hum ne jo faisla dena tha..is case main..woh de diya hai.. Ab hum mazeed is case main kuch nahi karna chahtay.. Na kisi JIT report ki humein zuroorat hai..na faisla hum ne change karna hai..so we are not available anymore for this case... Jisy kuch log keh rahay thay na..ke shayad JIT report 5 member bench ke pass jaye..tu woh nahi hoga.. Lekin ek aur baat Ch Ghulam ahussain keh rahay hain ke ab is 3 member bench ki majority chahye..yeh nahi ke 2 vote wahan se le lein, aur 1 vote is bench se... Ah samajh nahi aaraha.. Klasra was also very confident...ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke vote count honge.. Yahan tak tu main samajh sakti hun ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ne keh diya hoga ke ab hum mazeed proceedings ka hissa nahi banein ge..lekin kiya yeh bhi iska matlab hoga..ya yeh bhi Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ne kaha hoga..ke humara vote bhi na count karein? Ya yeh Ch Ghulam Hussain ki apni understanding hogi?

Klasra ne tu aaj prog main bhi wohi baat repeat ki...ke 20th april ka verdict court order tha..matlab ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke vote count honge.. He is very confident.. Lagta hai ke unki source bhi pakki hai.. At pata nahi..in dono main se kis ki baat ko sahi maanein?

Aur jo doosri news Ch Ghulam Hussain ne di hain..woh yeh ke JIT Ishaq Dar aur shayad kuch family members ko ECL par daalnay ka soch rahi hai.. Ishaq Dar ko tu soch hi rahi hai atleast.. Maryam nawaz ko bhi bulayegi JIT along with pther family members..Aur yeh ke 90% chances are tht...7th June tak..JIT apni final report compile kar ley... Aur Ch Ghulam Hussain yeh bhi keh rahay hain ke JIT Fawad Hasan Fawad ko bhi bulaa saktay hain.. Ch Ghulam Hussian khud bhi sure nahi thay..ke unhein kiun bulayein ge? Lekin FHF ko bulaa saktay hain.. Waisy kal Ch Ghulam Hussain ne FHF ke against investigations start honay ka bataya tha

Lets talk about JIT first.

JIT members are delivering more than what we initially expected from them to deliver. They are treating PM as a criminal and proceeding without taking any pressure. PMLNs decision to make the JIT controversial is a very good tactic. By raising a concern that some JIT members (who "incidentally" have been selected by the judges), they want to pressurize the court to change the members, or if they are not successful in changing them, pressurizing all the team members so much so that they cancel their plans of summoning PM completely. Even if they somehow summon PM, they will take the supporters with them and the whole time PM (or any of his family member) is in judicial academy for interrogation, these supporters will chant slogans against the JIT members. During interrogation, PM will behave like a don, and the whole exercise will become useless.

Secondly, even if Ch. Ghulam Hussain's news is authentic, Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar's votes may still count. Having said that, I still believe that its a 3 member bench that will decide the fate of PM.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Lets talk about JIT first.

JIT members are delivering more than what we initially expected from them to deliver. They are treating PM as a criminal and proceeding without taking any pressure. PMLNs decision to make the JIT controversial is a very good tactic. By raising a concern that some JIT members (who "incidentally" have been selected by the judges), they want to pressurize the court to change the members, or if they are not successful in changing them, pressurizing all the team members so much so that they cancel their plans of summoning PM completely. Even if they somehow summon PM, they will take the supporters with them and the whole time PM (or any of his family member) is in judicial academy for interrogation, these supporters will chant slogans against the JIT members. During interrogation, PM will behave like a don, and the whole exercise will become useless.

Secondly, even if Ch. Ghulam Hussain's news is authentic, Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar's votes may still count. Having said that, I still believe that its a 3 member bench that will decide the fate of PM.

I agree tht JIT is performing much better than was expected from them.. Ek cheez samajh nahi aarahi.. I dont think its possible for even advocate and pakora judge to change members of JIT now, when they themselves selected JIT members and secondly..when in the previous hearing..bench expressed confidence on them... No matter even if they want to....bench cant replace JIT members.. However i cant understand..tht why this petition of Hussain Nawaz is entertained and admitted for hearing? Suna tha ke Hussain nawaz gave this request, even before last hearing.. Tu us waqt kiun nahi yeh request suni..aur ab kiun date di gayi hai?
I dont think...tht if JIT summons PM, it wil be a useless exercise..no matter even if PML N supporters harrass them.. They have proved to be very courageous till now..
Regd Justice Khosa and Gulzar's vote.. i also think tht even if Ch Ghulam hussain's news is authentic...their votes can still be counted..sirf yehi hoga ke woh end main bench main na aayein.... 3 member bench hi faisla dey..but still their votes can be counted..jaisy klasra keh rahay hain..

But aap ke khyal main kia wajah hosakta hai..Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke yeh step lenay ki..ke woh CJ ko kahein ke ab woh is bench main aagay nahi baith'na chahtay?

 

[PakSword]

However i cant understand..tht why this petition of Hussain Nawaz is entertained and admitted for hearing? Suna tha ke Hussain nawaz gave this request, even before last hearing.. Tu us waqt kiun nahi yeh request suni..aur ab kiun date di gayi hai?

I think they will dismiss his petition. JIT is not doing an open ended investigation. They are bound to the 13 questions only. Any criticism is just political and the only reason is to pressurize them to cancel their plan of summoning the prime minister, or just making it a useless exercise even if PM presents himself in front of the team.

Yeh sirf aik alamti karwai ban jaegi.. I don't think that with thousands of supporters outside of judicial academy, who will be chanting in favor of PM, the JIT will be able to do cross questioning. One needs focus to perform well when questioning a criminal. Sometimes, they need time to construct the questions while keeping the suspect under custody for hours. That's what they have done with Shafi. I don't think they will be able to keep PM for more than an hour in such circumstances.

But aap ke khyal main kia wajah hosakta hai..Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke yeh step lenay ki..ke woh CJ ko kahein ke ab woh is bench main aagay nahi baith'na chahtay?

I think they have informed CJ that they are done.. They have reached to the conclusion and no more findings are required.

 

[Kabira]

There is huge pressure on judges to remove Nawaz no matter the evidence. It's becoming clear by day. People will remember that as another murder by SC like in case of Bhutto.

Now couple of questions, if Nawaz is removed can he still contest election in 2018? Because after unjust removal Pakistanis will vote in larger numbers for Nawaz then in 2013.

 

[PakSword]

There is huge pressure on judges to remove Nawaz no matter the evidence. It's becoming clear by day. People will remember that as another murder by SC like in case of Bhutto.

Now couple of questions, if Nawaz is removed can he still contest election in 2018? Because after unjust removal Pakistanis will vote in larger numbers for Nawaz then in 2013.

 

[Farah Sohail]

I think they will dismiss his petition. JIT is not doing an open ended investigation. They are bound to the 13 questions only. Any criticism is just political and the only reason is to pressurize them to cancel their plan of summoning the prime minister, or just making it a useless exercise even if PM presents himself in front of the team.

Yeh sirf aik alamti karwai ban jaegi.. I don't think that with thousands of supporters outside of judicial academy, who will be chanting in favor of PM, the JIT will be able to do cross questioning. One needs focus to perform well when questioning a criminal. Sometimes, they need time to construct the questions while keeping the suspect under custody for hours. That's what they have done with Shafi. I don't think they will be able to keep PM for more than an hour in such circumstances.

I think they have informed CJ that they are done.. They have reached to the conclusion and no more findings are required.

I think jab PM JIT ke saamnay aayien ge..us din extra security measures hongi outside judicial academy..and no one will be allowed outside judicial academy.. Aur jahan tak PML N voters ke pressure ki baat hai..ke woh kahin aur protest karein....think JIT members must be well aware of this, and they will be mentally prepared to face tht pressure from PML N supporters.. S uski fikr nahi hai.. They have performed exceptionally well till now, and hopefully will do so in future too
Mujhe bas SC bench par yeh aitraz hai ke unhein hussain nawaz ki yeh petition entertain hi nahi karni chahye thee, aur dismiss kar deni chahye thee as frivolus... Hearing ke liye admit karnay ka kia maqsad hai? Aur jab ye request last hearing se pehle aagayi thee..tu us waqt kiun nahi suni? New date kiun di? I still think..theres no way bench cam replace JIT members when they have themselves chosen these members, and expressed confidence on them, in last hearing.. Phir hearing ke liye bhi kiun admit ki...yeh petition?
Klasra ne ek aur baat aaj batayi ke Musharraf ke era main..switzerland se koi shakhsiyat aayi thee..aur unhon ne sharif family ke dunya main saaray businesses aur asstes ki poori details batayi aur verify karayi theen.. .shayad woh koi business partner thay..jo garbar hogayi thee..anyways us waqt yahan se 2 log gaye thay..verification ke liye...un main se ek JIT member hai... Is liye sharif family ko itni pareshani hai..ke JIT member ne woh report likhi thee, jis ki copy NAB, ke pass bhi hai aur intelligence agencies ke pass bhi.. Tu woh jo question hai SC ka..ke inki saari properties investigate karein..woh aaj se 10 saal pehle hi JIT ke ek member kar chukay hain....

Ch Ghulam Hussain bhi keh rahay hain ke bhtt chances hain ke 7th june wali report hi final ho

 

[Kabira]

I think jab PM JIT ke saamnay aayien ge..us din extra security measures hongi outside judicial academy..and no one will be allowed outside judicial academy.. Aur jahan tak PML N voters ke pressure ki baat hai..ke woh kahin aur protest karein....think JIT members must be well aware of this, and they will be mentally prepared to face tht pressure from PML N supporters.. S uski fikr nahi hai.. They have performed exceptionally well till now, and hopefully will do so in future too
Mujhe bas SC bench par yeh aitraz hai ke unhein hussain nawaz ki yeh petition entertain hi nahi karni chahye thee, aur dismiss kar deni chahye thee as frivolus... Hearing ke liye admit karnay ka kia maqsad hai? Aur jab ye request last hearing se pehle aagayi thee..tu us waqt kiun nahi suni? New date kiun di? I still think..theres no way bench cam replace JIT members when they have themselves chosen these members, and expressed confidence on them, in last hearing.. Phir hearing ke liye bhi kiun admit ki...yeh petition?
Klasra ne ek aur baat aaj batayi ke Musharraf ke era main..switzerland se koi shakhsiyat aayi thee..aur unhon ne sharif family ke dunya main saaray businesses aur asstes ki poori details batayi aur verify karayi theen.. .shayad woh koi business partner thay..jo garbar hogayi thee..anyways us waqt yahan se 2 log gaye thay..verification ke liye...un main se ek JIT member hai... Is liye sharif family ko itni pareshani hai..ke JIT member ne woh report likhi thee, jis ki copy NAB, ke pass bhi hai aur intelligence agencies ke pass bhi.. Tu woh jo question hai SC ka..ke inki saari properties investigate karein..woh aaj se 10 saal pehle hi JIT ke ek member kar chukay hain....

Ch Ghulam Hussain bhi keh rahay hain ke bhtt chances hain ke 7th june wali report hi final ho

Ziada tention na lo, Nawaz is gone 100%. No way SC can take all that pressure and not remove Nawaz. Now the questions is if he is removed that means for ever or he can still contest election in 2018?