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"Jaisay Awam Waisay Hukumraan" aik zarb ul misal hai.. jisay kuchh log iss ayat pe base kartay hain.. Aur yeh kafi mashhoor zarb ul misal hai..

Matlab iss ka yeh hai ke hum khud tou gunehgaar hain, lekin expect sab acha acha kartay hain Allah se.. Khud chor hain, lekin hukumraan munsif chahtay hain..

Jab hum khud achay hojaeingay, Allah munsif bhi le aayega.. jo ke insaaf karaingay.. aur Allah ke qanoon ko nafiz karaingay..

I hope I have clarified..

But lets not discuss it further.. as I am not an aalim or mufti..

Baqi aapki baaton se main bhi ittefaq karta hun.. Mujhay Ayub Khan se bhi koi khaas lagao nahi hai, mujhay Yahya se tou nafrat hai, aur Zia ul Haq bhi mera koi role model nahi hai.. Parvez Musharraf ne tou hadain paar kardi hain..

I am waiting for Panama's decision, if nothing comes out of it.. as you guys are saying, then.. good bye Pakistan from my side.. As you are living abroad, I have been living abroad for the past several years... I have permanent residency of a western country as well.. So I am just giving it a last try.. a very last try..

Abhi yahan 1:22 am horahay hain.. subah Fajr main uthna hai, uss ke baad 7:00 am in the morning mera office start hota hai.. do you think ke main ya aap baghair kisi wajah ke concerned hain? Mulk se mohabbat hai jabhi tou concerned hain warna kaun poochta?

Bass lets give our PA one more chance.. Panama ke faislay ke baad mera pakka wada hai, I will not bother you guys.. actually, I will leave the forum if JIT result gives NS a clean chit..

One more thing.. mera smart phone aagaya hai, I will download the application very soon in shaa Allah..
Bhai I have no problem with you... we are on the same side but of course I will express myself and I always do without any fear.
Take care, and sweet dreams
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Wada maaf Awan has read the complete report? I highly doubt this but he did his job what he had to do.

Soon many other wada maafs will start speaking louder.

Sir actually report itni baar aagar peechay huee hai, PM house ke andar aur bahir, ke kafi parts and draft logon ne parhay hain..

Aisay hi thori Jab Maryam Maryam ka kaha jata hai tou PMLN ke ghunday khmosh hojatay hain.. They know, ke baji ka naam still hai report main.. as an accused.

Isi tarha verdict bhi leak hogaya tha Panama ka.. one weak prior, PMLN walon ko verdict ka maloom tha.. halanke Judges ne tou kafi secret rakhnay ki koshish bhi ki thee.. lekin hogaya leak...

Uss leak main aur iss leak main yeh farq hai ke ... woh baqaida leak hua tha, aur uss main government machinery involved thi.. yeh logon ne parha hai aatay jaatay..
 
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Koi mujhe bas yeh samjhaa dey ke Raddul Fasad kis balaa ka naam hai? Mujhe tu aaj tak iska maqsad masraf samajh nahi aasaka @Realistic Change @PakSword @war&peace
I have no idea too and I'm really confused after this deal and the best I can say is that we wait another two months but as the history has been in this country that these two months can get prolonged. Koi jo marzi kahay I'm convinced now that Bajwa has compromised on the principles and opted Le chemin de la disgrâce.
 
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@PakSword whats ur opinion on the fact tht all ppl who had noose tightened around them in Gen Raheel Sharif's era.....have been given relief now..since Gen Bajwa became COAS? Zardari back, after eenton se eentein wali speech..Ayan Ali gone.. Sharjeel memon back...

I don't know.. TBH...

Last year, father of a friend of mine retired from PA at DG level.. a year before, a couple of more MGs retired.. I try to be in contact with those friends. A couple of my own class mates are Major/ Lt. Col level.. One is in AF.

I try to keep in touch with all of them.. There is a stark difference, the recently retired ones say that it was the best strategy.. The ones on job say that they are very concerned, but trust the leadership fully..

So I base my opinion on them.. If nothing happens, to hell with PA or whatever..
 
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I don't know.. TBH...

Last year, father of a friend of mine retired from PA at DG level.. a year before, a couple of more MGs retired.. I try to be in contact with those friends. A couple of my own class mates are Major/ Lt. Col level.. One is in AF.

I try to keep in touch with all of them.. There is a stark difference, the recently retired ones say that it was the best strategy.. The ones on job say that they are very concerned, but trust the leadership fully..

So I base my opinion on them.. If nothing happens, to hell with PA or whatever..

I dont know.. But i hvae been saying from day 1 since Gen Bajwa became COAS..tht signs are not encouraging.. All corrupt and traitors atleast had some fear during Gen Raheel Sharif's era.. He took some bold steps in karachi and balochistan..
But since Gen Bajwa became COAS?. No high profile arrests.. Rather such ppl have been given relief..like zardari, dr Asim, Ayan Ali.. Now culprits of dawn leaks given relief.. Such elemnets are getting bolder

Can anyone tell..one good initiative of Gen Bajwa? Ek Rangers laaye thay punjab main..tht too after a week of continous bomb blasts...and Gen Bajwa couldnt get powers for rangers in punjab...like rangers in karachi

And now famous and historic uturn on dawn leaks which surely will be remembered for centuries
 
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I dont know.. But i hvae been saying from day 1 since Gen Bajwa became COAS..tht signs are not encouraging.. All corrupt and traitors atleast had some fear during Gen Raheel Sharif's era.. He took some bold steps in karachi and balochistan..
But since Gen Bajwa became COAS?. No high profile arrests.. Rather such ppl have been given relief..like zardari, dr Asim, Ayan Ali.. Now culprits of dawn leaks given relief.. Such elemnets are getting bolder

Can anyone tell..one good initiative of Gen Bajwa? Ek Rangers laaye thay punjab main..tht too after a week of continous bomb blasts...and Gen Bajwa couldnt get powers for rangers in punjab...like rangers in karachi

And now famous and historic uturn on dawn leaks which surely will be remembered for centuries

Dekhain, I have told you before as well... yeh Bajwa ya RS ya koi aur.. ziada farq nahi parta.. it is all about the corps commanders Lt. Gens and DGs..

Yeh faislay institution ke hotay hain... kisi aik banday ki say tou hoti hai, aur kafi ziada hoti hai, but he too doesn't do anything without taking everyone in confidence..

When a major says that he has full confidence on leadership, it includes CCs, DG other than COAS.

Abb ya tou hum kahain ke saray hi bekar hain, ya thora aitmaad rakhain..
 
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Dekhain, I have told you before as well... yeh Bajwa ya RS ya koi aur.. ziada farq nahi parta.. it is all about the corps commanders Lt. Gens and DGs..

Yeh faislay institution ke hotay hain... kisi aik banday ki say tou hoti hai, aur kafi ziada hoti hai, but he too doesn't do anything without taking everyone in confidence..

When a major says that he has full confidence on leadership, it includes CCs, DG other than COAS.

Abb ya tou hum kahain ke saray hi bekar hain, ya thora aitmaad rakhain..

Mera belief yeh hai ke leadership se bhtt farq parta hai... Obviously they take actions after taking everyone in confidence..lekin sab se ziada farq COAS se parta hai..

U can see the diff in army image..in Mush time, then Kiyani, then Gen Raheel and now in Gen Bajwa's time... CCs, DGs, Col tu har era main hi hotay hain aur achay hi hotay hain...lekin har leader ki policies diff hoti hian..aur us ke hisaab se hi unka public image hota hai.. Mush ki policy kiya thee MQM par aur gen Raheel ki kia thee? Aur ab Gen Raheel aur Gen Bajwa ki policies main hi farq dekh lein.. Gen Raheel Sharif used to frequently talk abt nexus between corruption and terrorism... Inhon ne aaj tak corruption ka naam bhi nahi liya...aur inki policies aur actions se bhi pata chalta hai

Waisy i wish..ke atleast Gen Bajwa ko pata tu chalna chahye ke public main unka kia image hai aaj kal? Even though ke unhein farq nahi paray ga.llekin phir bhi pata hona chahye....shayad intelligence officers top tak pohanchnay hi na detay hon..unkr baaray main public opinion

I soo wish ke ek dafa Gen Bajwa ko yeh mere rashk e qamar wala song zuroor sunna chahye......Farq beshak na paray unhien is se....ke unka kaisa image hai ab? Lekin pata zuroor hona chahye..ek dafa unhien ye song zuroor sunna chahye

Dil tu chahta hai ke unhein bhi koi chitthi likhi jati..lekin jab koi farq hi nahi parna..tu kia faida? Unhein shayad public image se ziada concern na hota ho
 
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I have no idea too and I'm really confused after this deal and the best I can say is that we wait another two months but as the history has been in this country that these two months can get prolonged. Koi jo marzi kahay I'm convinced now that Bajwa has compromised on the principles and opted Le chemin de la disgrâce.

There aren't going to be any fireworks anytime soon - if anyone wants PA to take any action against N$ is absolute direct way - it ain't happening at all.

@war&peace -
La disgrâce est notre destin en raison de nos actions - personne ne peut faire beaucoup, seulement IK est un rayon d'espoir - and that's a fact for now!

Mera belief yeh hai ke leadership se bhtt farq parta hai... Obviously they take actions after taking everyone in confidence..lekin sab se ziada farq COAS se parta hai..

U can see the diff in army image..in Mush time, then Kiyani, then Gen Raheel and now in Gen Bajwa's time... CCs, DGs, Col tu har era main hi hotay hain aur achay hi hotay hain...lekin har leader ki policies diff hoti hian..aur us ke hisaab se hi unka public image hota hai.. Mush ki policy kiya thee MQM par aur gen Raheel ki kia thee? Aur ab Gen Raheel aur Gen Bajwa ki policies main hi farq dekh lein.. Gen Raheel Sharif used to frequently talk abt nexus between corruption and terrorism... Inhon ne aaj tak corruption ka naam bhi nahi liya...aur inki policies aur actions se bhi pata chalta hai

Waisy i wish..ke atleast Gen Bajwa ko pata tu chalna chahye ke public main unka kia image hai aaj kal? Even though ke unhein farq nahi paray ga.llekin phir bhi pata hona chahye....shayad intelligence officers top tak pohanchnay hi na detay hon..unkr baaray main public opinion

I soo wish ke ek dafa Gen Bajwa ko yeh mere rashk e qamar wala song zuroor sunna chahye......Farq beshak na paray unhien is se....ke unka kaisa image hai ab? Lekin pata zuroor hona chahye..ek dafa unhien ye song zuroor sunna chahye

Dil tu chahta hai ke unhein bhi koi chitthi likhi jati..lekin jab koi farq hi nahi parna..tu kia faida? Unhein shayad public image se ziada concern na hota ho

They do care about public image a lot - that's why Battalion 408 translates public person - as front line and even mid level has direct correlation with public perception.

And you are right; leadership means a lot; the most charismatic Gen I have seen was Respected Gen Asif Nawaz - when he used to walk - a circle of officers used to move around him - the least impressive had been Gen Aslam Beg - he minted money and has virtually zero respect in army circles.
 
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There aren't going to be any fireworks anytime soon - if anyone wants PA to take any action against N$ is absolute direct way - it ain't happening at all.

@war&peace -
La disgrâce est notre destin en raison de nos actions - personne ne peut faire beaucoup, seulement IK est un rayon d'espoir - and that's a fact for now!



They do care about public image a lot - that's why Battalion 408 translates public person - as front line and even mid level has direct correlation with public perception.
InSHALLAH espoir pour le meilleur
 
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Absolutely c'est la seule chose qui reste avec nous - l'espoir
kia karain bhai Mussalman hain...na-umeedi kufr hai...I have been through a lot of difficult times through my life but Alhamdulillah never got disappointed. I love IK even more than before...I wasn't his fan before but just a supporter but now I'm his fan and he is one of the two living Pakistanis who I adore so much (the other Pakistani being Dr. AQ Khan).
 
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ISLAMABAD: After three weeks of discussions, the Sharif family is still indecisive whether or not to file a review petition against the Supreme Court’s April 20 judgment in the Panamagate case. They will not be able to do so after May 20.

Top legal experts consulted by the family advised them not to challenge the verdict by the five-judge larger bench of the apex court, fearing further complications.

Sources told The Express Tribune that most legal experts believe that the Sharif family could experience more legal complications, including the disqualification of the prime minister.

Sources said that Khawaja Haris, who is assisting the family before the Joint Investigation Team [JIT], had also advised them to exercise caution in this regard and seek legal opinion from other experts.

Makhdoom Ali Khan, Salman Akram Raja and Shahid Hamid, who represented the Sharif family in Panamagate case, recommended them not to contest the apex court’s decision.

Currently, Salman Akram Raja, who represented the PM’s sons, is aboard.

One member of the legal team had even opposed the very idea of approaching the apex court for expunging certain remarks by Justice Asif Saeed Khosa.

Citing the verdict in the National Police Foundation case, a senior PML-N lawyer said that the bench, led by former Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, had given certain remarks against former MNA Anjum Aqeel Khan and ordered the Federal Investigation Agency [FIA] to probe a land scam. Later, Aqeel successfully cleared himself from FIA’s inquiry. Similarly, he conjectured, the PM and his family could clear themselves before the JIT.

He believed that if a review petition was filed, it would give undue importance to the minority judges’ remarks, which otherwise had no legal importance.

“In another case, one Lahore High Court judge had approached the SC for expunging certain paras of a judgment, but the court wrote something more against him.”

It is learnt that the Sharif family was focusing on JIT so that they could be exonerated.

Former Additional Attorney-General Tariq Mahmood Khokhar believes that the minority judges’ remarks “cannot realistically be expected to be expunged”.





ISLAMABAD: The Joint Investigation Team (JIT) probing the Panamagate case has decided to send a detailed questionnaire to the Al Thani family of Qatar regarding the offshore properties of the Sharif family in London.

Sources told The Express Tribune that a detailed questionnaire would be delivered to the Qatari royal family next week. The six-member JIT has started consultations with the Foreign Office given the possibility of two members of the JIT visiting Doha for the purpose.

Earlier in the day, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) submitted a complete record related to the Sharif family.

According to the sources, the JIT will also send a questionnaire to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s cousin Tariq Shafi.

Formed by the Supreme Court, the JIT had held its first informal meeting on Monday at the Federal Judicial Academy, which has been declared as the JIT’s official secretariat
 
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ISLAMABAD: The Joint Investigation Team (JIT) probing the Panamagate case has decided to send a detailed questionnaire to the Al Thani family of Qatar regarding the offshore properties of the Sharif family in London.

Sources told The Express Tribune that a detailed questionnaire would be delivered to the Qatari royal family next week. The six-member JIT has started consultations with the Foreign Office given the possibility of two members of the JIT visiting Doha for the purpose.

Earlier in the day, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) submitted a complete record related to the Sharif family.

According to the sources, the JIT will also send a questionnaire to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s cousin Tariq Shafi.

Formed by the Supreme Court, the JIT had held its first informal meeting on Monday at the Federal Judicial Academy, which has been declared as the JIT’s official secretariat

If this JIT is going the above route then - Bonne nuit

It's open and shut case; write a letter to British Govt., obtain transaction records and land registry details for flats in London and cross check/match it with what is stated in Qatari letter and Ishaq Dar's affidavit under 164 - it seems this JIT is starting as Jatiumra's Insurance Treaty.
 
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They do care about public image a lot - that's why Battalion 408 translates public person - as front line and even mid level has direct correlation with public perception.

And you are right; leadership means a lot; the most charismatic Gen I have seen was Respected Gen Asif Nawaz - when he used to walk - a circle of officers used to move around him - the least impressive had been Gen Aslam Beg - he minted money and has virtually zero respect in army circles.

Maybe ..army as an instituition is concerned abt public image....but I am not sure abt Gen Bajwa, considering the actions he has taken, since becoming COAS....

As I said...all those corrupt elemenets who had some fear in Gen Raheel Sharif's era...are getting bolder now... Asif Zardari who couldnt dare to return in Gen Raheel Sharif's time....after eenton se eentein bajanay wali speech...returned back..just a week after Gen Bajwa becoming COAS..and he is enjoying here...now..
Sharjeel Memon is back.. Dr Asim got relief.. Ayan Ali went abroad...

Ther hasnt been a single high profile arrest since Gen Bajwa became COAS..and those who were arrested in Gen Raheel Sharif's time have been given relief....
Karachi operation by rangers has lost all its steam...since he became COAS...

Do u think..all these things were good for public image!

Still dont know..what is Raddul fasad? Yeh kia hai aur kiun hai? Iska maqsad kiya hai? There hasnt been a single hi profile arrest in Pakistan, since Raddul fasad...infact NAP has lost its steam too...

Rangers in punjab are literally without any substantial powers.. Then what good are rangers in punjab for? They can only go anywhere in punjab with "punjab police" yes.. Maybe Gen Bajwa likes punjab police..thts why he agreed to such powers for rangers in punjab..where they wil do operations, only in aid of punjab police

And now most recent...historic uturn and "settlement" of dawn leaks issue...

Do these actions..look like tht of someone...conscious/concerned abt public image? Tht song Mere rashk e qamar truly tells..what public feels abt him right now
 
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