Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Verve]

i was very curious myself by this judgement
i showed the verdict to my foriegn friend ( who,s a lawyer here)

he read it n than said
if this case was heard in european court , the verdict would be 200% guilty on all counts
the evidence, the remarks of judges , during trail in pakistan is completely opposite
of the verdict...
he siad either judges are unable to deliver
or system is in capable to apprend the culprits
i told him ............ its both

Look at what happened in Venezuela !! SC suspended the parliament last month (as it should be done here too considering all the looters are sitting in it) and uncontrollable riots broke out and it's horrible there now.

Instead of a hard crash, our establishment wants and favours a soft crash of the system ... cry of judicial martial law was made a while back and riots were already planned if disqualified ... maybe this is all to buy time and erode even more support for NS!!

 

[PakSword]

Regardless, IK should pose the suspension &/or disqualification question to ECP.

Sir ji.. there is no way.. If SC couldn't do anything there is no one in Pakistan who could do anything against NS..

The sooner IK realizes this, the better.. He shouldn't waste his remaining energy on the corrupt system. One province has placed their trust on him, he should focus on that province and deliver as much as possible..

Look at what happened in Venezuela !! SC suspended the parliament last month (as it should be done here too considering all the looters are sitting in it) and uncontrollable riots broke out and it's horrible there now.

Instead of a hard crash, our establishment wants and favours a soft crash of the system ... cry of judicial martial law was made a while back and riots were already planned if disqualified ... maybe this is all to buy time and erode even more support for NS!!

You can't compare Pakistan with any other country.. even Rwanda..

Why?

Good question.. Next...

Abhi deta hun iss ka jawab tafseel se...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Kabhi kabhi insaan ko hikmat se kaam lena chahiey..

Future Chief Justice hai bhaee woh tou..

Haan acha faisla hai.. lekin mazi main kaheen gum hojaega.. jo yaad rakha jaega woh sirf 3 judges ka..

Thora bhtt difference hota verdict main..tu shayad ye 2 judges agree kar bhi saktay thay... But how could Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar say..lets go for investigation..when they were absolute clear tht Nawaz sharif lied? Also, they knew...that Nawaz Sharif and his family has nothing more in their defense...hence Khosa remarked ke jo cheezein SC ko nahi dein..woh session court ko kiun dein ge? And heres theres a stupid JIT..and they knew the state of our instituitions working under PM.. He was no ready to send this case to sessions court...aap keh rahay hain ke woh JIT par maan jatay? Aur phir bhi agar Nawaz sharif ki suspension ke baad bhi kisi tarah clean chit miljati Nawaz sharif..ko....kiunke govt tu PML N ki hi hoti...chahy Nawaz Sharif PM hota ya na hota? Phir ye dono judges kahan jaatay...?ke despite them being clear of his guilt..they were part of process of giving him clean chit?

Inki tu poori judgment 62/63 par hi base karti hai... Iske ilaawa bhtt kam part hai, judgement main kuch...doosri cheezon ka

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Good question.. Next...

Abhi deta hun iss ka jawab tafseel se...

Mujhey pehley hee pata tha that you will bring the Qatari letter

I am off now.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Haan acha faisla hai.. lekin mazi main kaheen gum hojaega.. jo yaad rakha jaega woh sirf 3 judges ka..

I disagree... Faisla agar kisi ka gum hoga ya laantaan hogi tu majority verdict ko..

Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar have given such strong / harsh remarks and observations..tht despite it being a minority verdict..its is much more talked...in tv, newspapers, and social media....everywhere whther anyone agrees or disagrees with it.. But dissenting verdict is the one tht is most talked abt

Tv programs main bhi dissenting notes ka ziada zikr hai..

And its not dissenting notes are totally useless.. They provide the basis / justifications for future/alternative decisions.. Future main inki dissenting note bhi ..as refefence use hosakti hai....aur dosray judges inki judgment ko quote kar ke...bhi 62/63 apply karsaktay hain

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Apparently the verdict was leaked to Nawaz Shareef before announcement and altered after the verdict was sealed. Only agency which such powers are non other then ISI. With ISI under Naveed Akhtar who has got family ties with Shareef family through non other then that bitch Maryam Safdar, who got clean chit through this, who is groomed by international establishment as Pakistan new PM (even the thoughts of that make me puke), rabbit hole goes much deeper. No wonder Gen Rizwan Akhtar was removed in haste.

There is no doubt in my mind now the way 2013 election was rigged by then Army cheif to bring their own pet dog which they raised, who from time to time bark at them as well, the Nawaz Shareef , another such effort was done by Army high command to save him this time around.

I have all respect to armed forces of Pakistan but there is no holly cows in this country anymore who are above state. I agree with Aitezaz Ahsan over ISPR tweet. He is right.

Army credibility is at stake here. They must start investigations pronto before more noises starts to come out and court marshall those who miss used their authority to save Nawaz Shareef. There is no doubt there are black sheep within top achelon of power circles in Army.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword i am listening to Iftikhar ch.. He also agrees with Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar's verdict

Future Chief Justice hai bhaee woh tou..

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Advocate is retiring in few months time... So he cant be future chief justice

 

[RazaGujjar]

@Saif-ud-Din Qutuz

Both pmln and ppp have had ample time to prove themselves. What have they shown us?

Its people like you, who blindly support these goons, are the ones holding us back.

 

[Verve]

You can't compare Pakistan with any other country.. even Rwanda..

1. Do you think the Army wants to control mass riots breaking out in Sindh and Punjab?
2. Do we need unrest when the risk associated can be reduced by an investigation that establishes NS as a criminal?

It was establishment that stopped last riots (PTI march to blockade Islamabad) and pushed the case in SC. Why do you think establishment would not now push for a clear cut criminal investigation and without doubt disqualification of NS to avoid further riots?

Army had a hard time controlling riots and damage to property when $$$ were pumped in the country to riot against Bhutto.

3. What did the army do when Sindh went up in flames causing billions in damages to property, after Benazir's assasination?

Yes, the bigger picture ...

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

@Saif-ud-Din Qutuz
Both pmln and ppp have had ample time to prove themselves. What have they shown us?
Its people like you, who blindly support these goons, are the ones holding us back.

How have you come to know I support either of them (PML N, PPP)? Can you stop assuming things and accusing others without proof like your leader Imran Khan, A.K.A U-Turn? When you act like that, you pretty often have to go for U-Turns. Think before you talk, evaluate the matter, critically draw analysis and then go for accusations. I don't support PML N or PPP. I support PTI but am disappointed with Imran Khan continuously being made a mamoon by Noora. It seems as if Noora is literally toying with Imran.

 

[Mrc]

But how could Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar say..lets go for investigation

They actually gave exact reason with rlevant referrence to constitution as to why such investigation is necessary before suspension... read the decision again

 

[PakSword]

Thora bhtt difference hota verdict main..tu shayad ye 2 judges agree kar bhi saktay thay...

Note of Justice Aijal ul Ahsan is almost similar to Justice Khosa.. with one exception.. he couldn't find it appropriate to disqualify PM directly.. And I am telling you, no one even in PTI expected that PM would be disqualified..

Abb main aap ko JIT ki haqeeqat batata hun.. Kisi aur mulk main yeh faisla number one faisla kehlata..

@Dil Pakistan @Guvera

JIT is formed to investigate crimes rather than finding who is righteous and who isn't. In any other country of the world, investigations are done by police and other investigation agencies wherever required. For example, in UK, Scotland yard would have been given the responsibility of investigating the criminal charges of money laundering.. In Israel, police investigated the PM for several days.. In Canada, appropriate institution raised concerns on Canadian PMs use of Agha Khan's resources. He is still in hot waters. So forming a JIT with members from SECP, NAB, ISI, MI and FIA/ FBR is the right decision by any standard. These kind of institutions are independent of any political bias and work objectively.

You can't even think that how much serious is forming a JIT to investigate criminal charges on a sitting PM.. Again saying, we are not talking about PMs truthfulness, for which the only punishment is de-notification. The JIT is formed according to law, consisting members from the right institutions to investigate "CRIME" of money laundering.

Any other PM in any other country of the world would have died of heart attack after hearing this verdict.. However, in Pakistan, affairs are different.. We lack people with integrity.. because most of the appointments starting from Assistant Director level are political.. Even our public service commission lacks transparency and now even the examination papers are leaked to give benefit to the favorite people of different political leaders.

When these kind of appointments started in 90s, no one realized that in 2010s, over 90 percent of the people working in these departments/ institutions would only be working for their respective political leaders. Now the situation is that, you need at least 25-30 years to get a new generation of officers with integrity, having no affiliation with any political party. Sadly, it can't happen now as the legal system and the laws are extremely flawed and weak. On top of that, you have uneducated masses who sell their votes and don't want to be part of any kind of procession against corrupt elite.

Legally, you can't say that the judgement is not right.. However, judges have completely overlooked their own remarks against the same institutions DELIBERATELY, which are assigned the task to provide one 19-20 grade officer to complete a JIT..

 

[Zain tariq pk]

K

They actually gave exact reason with rlevant referrence to constitution as to why such investigation is necessary before suspension... read the decision again

Justice khosa and gulzar have disqualified in the
Ir dissenting notes. The other 3 have called for an investigation ,and i dont know why,because the best evidence that could be produced by ns was a bloody letter.

 

[PakSword]

They actually gave exact reason with rlevant referrence to constitution as to why such investigation is necessary before suspension... read the decision again

Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar used 62/63 as the main reference to disqualify PM..

Other Justices say that 62/63 is only about legal dishonesty, not the moral one.. Hence they also think that PM is morally dishonest, but not legally dishonest.. What a pity.. And what a shameless PM we have..

I disagree... Faisla agar kisi ka gum hoga ya laantaan hogi tu majority verdict ko..

Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar have given such strong / harsh remarks and observations..tht despite it being a minority verdict..its is much more talked...in tv, newspapers, and social media....everywhere whther anyone agrees or disagrees with it.. But dissenting verdict is the one tht is most talked abt

Tv programs main bhi dissenting notes ka ziada zikr hai..

And its not dissenting notes are totally useless.. They provide the basis / justifications for future/alternative decisions.. Future main inki dissenting note bhi ..as refefence use hosakti hai....aur dosray judges inki judgment ko quote kar ke...bhi 62/63 apply karsaktay hain

You are right.. Nowadays everyone is talking about the dissenting notes.. But unfortunately what will prevail is the majority verdict.. because of which PMs office will also prevail..

 

[Mrc]

legal dishonesty, not the moral one

And to prove legal dishonesty ..we need investigation....

Hence it is a very balanced decision

K
Justice khosa and gulzar have disqualified in the
Ir dissenting notes. The other 3 have called for an investigation ,and i dont know why,because the best evidence that could be produced by ns was a bloody letter.

They have referred to article in constitution which says every pakistani will be afforded due legal process and also noted that asking defendant to produce evidence which will implocate himself is against his basic human rights... such evidence should be produced by investigation