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[Baghial]

57 din verdict mehfooz raha?
aur verdict ana kee baad nawaz mehfooz reha
an occasion for a quick ludi yaaroo

 

[Zain tariq pk]

Its not about 2-2-1 its the judgement itself look abrupt and not making sense at all other than the two dissenting notes, i mean all other 3 judges cursed FBR, NAB, FIA and categorically mentioned them as failures and yet they end up making JIT having a member of all these institutions, and wht abt Pakora's judgement ? its not even worth reading

But can this mean that judges are actually serious about the jit thing and SC will infact not not turn a blind eye to it? Kyunkai judges nai bhi socha to hoga na kai hmm insai investigation karwa rahe hain jinko hm ne criticize kia hua hai itna to ab supervise bhi hm hi karen gai! It might strengthen the institutions in the end , couldn't it?after all har 15 din kai bad report karna hai SC ko..lkin bas ye tap hai kai naya bench kyu bna rahe ho :/

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Verve]

@Guvera @PakSword @Verve @Arsalan

PTI, Sheikh Rashid, and JI are doing consultations, for whether to go in appeal, against the judgment..or not? I think their plea, will be suspend the PM before any JIT starts its work...or tht we dont want JIT, rather a judicial commission........ Do u think, its a wise decision?

I dont think...its a wise decision..because I read a judgment by Justice Khosa in his book, where he said tht u should file appeal in such cases, only if u have some additional material/evidence relating to the case, which was not available earlier.. Otherwise, it amounts to review or hearing the same case, all over again, which is well beyond the scope of appeal in 184/3 .....as scope of this appeal is very limited.. So Justice Khosa dismissed tht petition... The only good thing.is tht appeal is before the same bench,..however since, its scope is extremely limited, seldom there is any change in the decision... Even Hamid Khan of Pti says tht we should not go for appeal..because courts very rarely provides any relief or changes the decision..

I think if PTI goes for appeal..even Justice Khosa will dismiss the petition saying..its beyond the scope of appeal....as theres nothing new....so why give PML N another chance of fake celebrations?

Also as much as I think, tht JIT is useles....let this matter be done with...in 60 days.. If they go in appeal, it will only waste time..and there will be unnecessary delay....to no avail..as there are high chances tht appeal petition will be dismissed... So why. give Nawaz Sharif more time? Whatever has to be done..get it done within 60 days..even if its clean chit for NS

You mean they are thinking of Review Petition?

Review petition asking for suspension of PM during the JIT would be OK I guess. Not sure if it would be accepted.

But I still think there's enough to go to ECP ... as the question is very valid whether anyone can hold office if court has given judgement of 'not honest' and that a criminal investigation has started against that person

 

[Baghial]

Yes..maybe thats the reason..two judges wanted suspension of PM, before JIT starts its work.. BUT we cant even say..if teh story is true or not? I am only saying this on the assumption, if its true..

But yes..you are right....the JIT doesnt make any sense really.. Because i remember, in the second last hearing...Attorney general asked to send this case to a session court..to which J ustice Khosa replied..tht do u think..material which isnt being provided to the SC...will be provided to sessions court? This is the reason..Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar didnt go the JIT route.. Even if he has asked for initiating of cases aginst PM, and Ishaq Dar in NAB ..he has done tht after disqualifying the PM, and taking all powers form Chairman NAB, incases against PM...

So I absolutely see no logic..why did the majority judges think..tht material which was not provided to SC..wil be provided to JIT?

because majority judges got 4 arab from arabe friends.

But can this mean that judges are actually serious about the jit thing and SC will infact not not turn a blind eye to it? Kyunkai judges nai bhi socha to hoga na kai hmm insai investigation karwa rahe hain jinko hm ne criticize kia hua hai itna to ab supervise bhi hm hi karen gai! It might strengthen the institutions in the end , couldn't it?after all har 15 din kai bad report karna hai SC ko..lkin bas ye tap hai kai naya bench kyu bna rahe ho :/

but implimentation judges will be different. not these who criti cized every instution,
got my point

 

[Farah Sohail]

But can this mean that judges are actually serious about the jit thing and SC will infact not not turn a blind eye to it? Kyunkai judges nai bhi socha to hoga na kai hmm insai investigation karwa rahe hain jinko hm ne criticize kia hua hai itna to ab supervise bhi hm hi karen gai! It might strengthen the institutions in the end , couldn't it?after all har 15 din kai bad report karna hai SC ko..lkin bas ye tap hai kai naya bench kyu bna rahe ho :/

Many ppl are thinking...why a new bench? I think new bench is mainly for one reason..th Advocate is going to retire within 1-2 months... I read tht somewhere earlier.. Tht Advocate is retiring soon... So JIT itself wouldnt complete its work before 60 days..tu shayad retirement beech main aajati.. Is liye shayad new bench ka kahaa hai... Am not sure though..

But i am almost sure, the new bench wont have dissenting judges.. Might have pakora judge and / or Justice Ijazul Ahsan....and few others

Since this will be a new bench where majoirty judges will be ...who havent heard this case.....it wont be of much help

@PakSword @Verve @Guvera

You mean they are thinking of Review Petition?

Review petition asking for suspension of PM during the JIT would be OK I guess. Not sure if it would be accepted.

But I still think there's enough to go to ECP ... as the question is very valid whether anyone can hold office if court has given judgement of 'not honest' and that a criminal investigation has started against that person

I am not sure if its called review or appeal in article 184/3... However...whatever it is..its scope is very limited and is useful only when theres is some additional material / evidence present...which was not available earlier.. This is what I understood after reading a judgment..related to this...in book by Justice Khosa

 

[Guvera]

Yes..maybe thats the reason..two judges wanted suspension of PM, before JIT starts its work.. BUT we cant even say..if teh story is true or not? I am only saying this on the assumption, if its true..

But yes..you are right....the JIT doesnt make any sense really.. Because i remember, in the second last hearing...Attorney general asked to send this case to a session court..to which J ustice Khosa replied..tht do u think..material which isnt being provided to the SC...will be provided to sessions court? This is the reason..Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar didnt go the JIT route.. Even if he has asked for initiating of cases aginst PM, and Ishaq Dar in NAB ..he has done tht after disqualifying the PM, and taking all powers form Chairman NAB, incases against PM...

So I absolutely see no logic..why did the majority judges think..tht material which was not provided to SC..wil be provided to JIT?

Har insaan ki ek qeemat hoti hai or anmol hotay hain aisay log jo khariday na jasaken lekin they r ver few

But can this mean that judges are actually serious about the jit thing and SC will infact not not turn a blind eye to it? Kyunkai judges nai bhi socha to hoga na kai hmm insai investigation karwa rahe hain jinko hm ne criticize kia hua hai itna to ab supervise bhi hm hi karen gai! It might strengthen the institutions in the end , couldn't it?after all har 15 din kai bad report karna hai SC ko..lkin bas ye tap hai kai naya bench kyu bna rahe ho :/

Boss ur hoping against the hope, this JIT thing is another truck ki batti

 

[PakSword]

Panama faislay mein baad mein aik Judge ne apni raye change ki hai - Haroon Rasheed reveals

https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthr...pni-raye-change-ki-hai-Haroon-Rasheed-reveals

@PakSword @Guvera @QatariPrince

This is what I was telling you in the morning..

Rest of the judgement is fine.. JIT would have worked well under a new bench after PMs suspension. I think Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar should have settled on suspension. Their rigidness led to "No Disqualification and No Suspension".

 

[Baghial]

i was very curious myself by this judgement
i showed the verdict to my foriegn friend ( who,s a lawyer here)

he read it n than said
if this case was heard in european court , the verdict would be 200% guilty on all counts
the evidence, the remarks of judges , during trail in pakistan is completely opposite
of the verdict...
he siad either judges are unable to deliver
or system is in capable to apprend the culprits
i told him ............ its both












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[PakSword]

Infact theres still a slim of IK winning, on the ground tht its only on mode of investigation..not the judgment itself....Even still i doubt tht IK is going to get any relief.in appeal...but sharif family has absolutely no chance... So PML N will never go for appeal

There is absolutely no chance of IK winning in this world. Pakistan main har institute ke har aik banday se mera aitmaad uth chuka hai.. Yahan sab bikta hai.. Aur Nawaz Shareef ko aisi aadat par gaee hai ke woh har aik ki qeemat lagata hai..

Nawaz Sharif aik aisa aadmi hai jo Malak ul Maut ko bhi paisay ki offer karega..

 

[Verve]

I am not sure if its called review or appeal in article 184/3... However...whatever it is..its scope is very limited and is useful only when theres is some additional material / evidence present...which was not available earlier.. This is what I understood after reading a judgment..related to this...in book by Justice Khosa

The main question is of suspension it seems .... but even if NS is suspended, can the JIT not be influenced then too? IMO this question is irrelevant and was irrelevant to begin with, and perhaps this is why judgement didn't have any mention of suspension.

Regardless, IK should pose the suspension &/or disqualification question to ECP.

 

[PakSword]

Its not about 2-2-1 its the judgement itself look abrupt and not making sense at all other than the two dissenting notes,

This judgement would have been considered very good in any country other than Pakistan..

Ask me why and I will tell you..

 

[Farah Sohail]

This is what I was telling you in the morning..

Rest of the judgement is fine.. JIT would have worked well under a new bench after PMs suspension. I think Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar should have settled on suspension. Their rigidness led to "No Disqualification and No Suspension".

If they had settled on it..this was against their whole argument.. Khosa emphasized tht case is not about ownership of flats,,.rather honesty...and how they were acquird? They have talked abt interpretation of 6/63 in their whole argumentThey used speeches and statements of PM and his family... They said since no money trail was given...so he is not honest..and hence disqualfied..so they were just sure of disquLification..and according to them, there could be no other outcome.. Them settling for anything less..,would have negated their whole arguments


Also remember..in sec last day of hearing... Attorney general said to send this case to session court for trial.. To which Justice Khosa replied...tht when they have provided nothing to SC..how will they provide those documents to a session court? So again..Justice Khosa was convinced tht sharif family has nothing more in their defense..and it will be just waste of time.. And no more inevstigation was required...and he was clear in his mind abt their guilt.. So ther was no way,,he could say..tht ok...lets gp for further investigations...

I think judge,,who didnt want suspension..should have been the one..who was to be convinced..tht atleast..for fairness of inquiry...agree tosuspension of PM.. Baqi sab cheezein tu unki maani jaa rahi theen..sirf ek suspension par agree kar jatay..and this is a norm in western societies

After reading both verdictsof Justice Khosa and Gulzar..and noting the harshness of their tone in verdict and absolute clarity with which they were convinced of Nawaz sharif's guilt..there was no way ..they could settle for anything less...at all
Infact unhon ne tu sirf article 62/63 par hi mainly behas ki hai... Iske ilaawa tu judgment bhtt kam hai... 90% judgment is on 62/63

@PakSword

 

[PakSword]

If they had settled on it..this was against their whole argument.. Khosa emphasized tht case is not about ownership of flats,,.rather honesty...and how they were acquird? They have talked abt interpretation of 6/63 in their whole argumentThey used speeches and statements of PM and his family... They said since no money trail was given...so he is not honest..and hence disqualfied..so they were just sure of disquLification..and according to them, there could be no other outcome.. Them settling for anything less..,would have negated their whole arguments


Also remember..in sec last day of hearing... Attorney general said to send this case to session court for trial.. To which Justice Khosa replied...tht when they have provided nothing to SC..how will they provide those documents to a session court? So again..Justice Khosa was convinced tht sharif family has nothing more in their defense..and it will be just waste of time.. And no more inevstigation was required...and he was clear in his mind abt their guilt.. So ther was no way,,he could say..tht ok...lets gp for further investigations...

Kabhi kabhi insaan ko hikmat se kaam lena chahiey..

I think judge,,who didnt want suspension..should have been the one..who was to be convinced..tht atleast..for fairness of inquiry...agree tosuspension of PM.. Baqi sab cheezein tu unki maani jaa rahi theen..sirf ek suspension par agree kar jatay..and this is a norm in western societies

Future Chief Justice hai bhaee woh tou..

After reading both verdictsof Justice Khosa and Gulzar..and noting the harshness of their tone in verdict and absolute clarity with which they were convinced of Nawaz sharif's guilt..there was no way ..they could settle for anything less...at all
Infact unhon ne tu sirf article 62/63 par hi mainly behas ki hai... Iske ilaawa tu judgment bhtt kam hai... 90% judgment is on 62/63

Haan acha faisla hai.. lekin mazi main kaheen gum hojaega.. jo yaad rakha jaega woh sirf 3 judges ka..

 

[Dil Pakistan]

This judgement would have been considered very good in any country other than Pakistan..

Ask me why and I will tell you..

Why?