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There is not enough evidence or the quality of evidences is not sufficient to prove any party's standpoint. That's why PMLN wants to carry on with the current bench. There is also a possibility of NS not being charged on criminal grounds i.e. money laundering.

I told you yesterday that it's in the benefit of PTI to go for commission. Regardless, there is extremely slim chance that PTI wins this case. In a commission inquiry, PMLN will get exposed in each hearing. This really will hurt their vote bank even if they win in the end.

This is my own opinion.
Judges have said that commission will only be made regarding IK's petition.I guess that Justice Sheikh Azmat would be best choice for being blunt and expert in white collar crimes.
 
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There is not enough evidence or the quality of evidences is not sufficient to prove any party's standpoint. That's why PMLN wants to carry on with the current bench. There is also a possibility of NS not being charged on criminal grounds i.e. money laundering.

I told you yesterday that it's in the benefit of PTI to go for commission. Regardless, there is extremely slim chance that PTI wins this case. In a commission inquiry, PMLN will get exposed in each hearing. This really will hurt their vote bank even if they win in the end.

This is my own opinion.

Didnt Salman butt yesterday, in court said tht in current scenario, based on arguments, court can give verdict..and hence commission should be formed?
Or maybe PML N deliberately leaked these things, so tht PTI opts to go for commission, thinking tht PML N doesnt want it?
 
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PML N unlikley to back inquiry commission

ISLAMABAD: Feeling the heat of the Supreme Court’s proceedings in Panamagate case, the ruling party on Wednesday held marathon meetings to review options against the formation of an inquiry commission to probe the mega scandal.

In these crucial and classified huddles, held at the PM House under the chair of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, the PM’s counsel in Panamagate case Salman Aslam Butt, Attorney General Ashtar Ausaf, the PM children’s counsel Akram Sheikh, Anusha Rehman and Raza Zafarul Haq took part.

According to sources, the lawyers for the PM and his family members argued against the commission’s formation and in support of maintaining status quo in the case. The ruling party is not likely to reach a consensus with the PTI on the commission’s formation fearing “too many repercussions,” reliable sources in the ruling PML-N shared withThe Express Tribune.

“The formation of commission means all the respondents would have to appear before the inquiry panel. And any such appearance implies grilling, cross-examination and all that. This would be nothing less than a nightmare for us,” a senior PML-N leader said, while requesting not to be named.

The ruling party, he said, would push for the exclusion of the PM’s name in case the court decided to set up a commission even if consensus between both the sides was not reached.

“Imagine if the PM had to appear before the commission and to face tough questions, harsh arguments and serious allegations. It would be a very grim scenario – something we would never want to happen,” he added.

Interestingly, in November, when the apex court started hearing the case, the ruling party was claiming that it did not have any objection in case an inquiry commission was formed.

“We never expected the things to unfold the way they have. The court’s toughened stance, strong remarks and severe reprimands to both the parties show that stakes are too high,” a source said. “Law sees everything in black and white and in case the inquiry panel presses to dig deeper into the money trail in the Panamagate case, things would get very challenging for us.

“The apex court has so far not strongly pressed to track the money trail and this is somehow favouring us. We would want the regular proceedings to continue. Based on available evidence, we are confident that there isn’t much against us,” he added.

Another PML-N leader, who enjoys close association with the PM and Sharif family, said the party leadership’s concerns regarding the commission’s formation also have much to do with the ‘Qatari Prince factor’.

“Whether or not the Qatari prince would appear before the commission is a matter of speculation. However, an order to summon the Qatari prince before the inquiry panel would not only land us in uncomfortable position but it would also not go down well with the royals,” he said.

Senior PML-N leader Raja Zafarul Haq said the PM and his family members’ stance in Panamagate case was known to all, adding that they had requested in the court that the PM’s name should be excluded from the case because he was not named in Panama leaks.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 8th, 2016.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/1256978/pml-n-unlikely-back-inquiry-commission/

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PTI wants top court to decide panamagate case

ISLAMABAD: Imran Khan’s political aides strongly favoured adjudication of the Panamagate case by larger bench of the Supreme Court, but the party will finalise its decision on Thursday (today) after PTI’s legal team gave its input.

Imran Khan’s close political and legal aides gathered at Imran Khan’s Bani Gala residence to ponder upon available options – whether to prefer a fact-finding judicial commission for in-depth investigations or to continue with the larger bench currently hearing the case – suggested by the Supreme Court.

“Not only Imran Khan, but a significant majority of (PTI’s) top leadership is not in favour of setting up the commission to probe the matter,” a senior PTI leader, who wished not to be named, said.

Some questions, he said, would be answered by the legal team today [Thursday]

He said that Imran Khan believed that PTI had submitted sufficient evidence before the court and there was no need to go for an option that could be easily managed by the Sharifs through state departments which would surely be involved in the investigation process.

PTI’s Vice-Chairman Shah Mehmood Qureshi said that during preliminary meeting, the party carefully assessed Wednesday’s proceedings, observations of the judges and arguments of the counsel Salman Butt. “Today we [PTI] concluded that the Sharif family is virtually without any defence,” Qureshi said.

“Every aspect of the case is clear and in clear view of the larger bench. The case is almost decided … Now only some small explanations are needed and I question if they (the larger bench) cannot call those minute clarifications,” Qureshi said when asked what options PTI was considering. However, he reiterated that the decision would be finalised in light of the opinion of the party’s legal team.

Earlier, Imran Khan told media persons outside the Supreme Court’s premises that the nation wanted the court to decide the matter. “They [the Sharifs] have failed to substantiate their claims about the money trail. There is nothing left in this case now,” Khan observed.

He said the counsel for the Sharifs admitted before the court that Nawaz Sharif’s clarification in the National Assembly about his children’s offshore firms was just a ‘political speech’.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 8th, 2016.

tribune.com.pk/story/1256989/final-decision-today-pti-wants-top-court-decide-panamagate-case/

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This move/news by PMLN could be a bluff. but saying that they've always tried to avoid a powerful commission.

Either way, I think we'll get some sort of verdict along with a commission.
 
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Judges have said that commission will only be made regarding IK's petition.I guess that Justice Sheikh Azmat would be best choice for being blunt and expert in white collar crimes.

IF and only IF, a commission is made, then I would prefer, Justice Tariq khosa...he is the man who raises most critical questions... But then commission, would only drag on the case.. And as Shah Mahmood is quoted in the article tht now only last minute clarifications are left which can be asked by the court itself....

However, i doubt, tht if commission is made, it will be someone from this larger bench.. I think it would be someone other than this bench
 
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PTI is currently going through their own case and evidences. And in my opinion, they have become mature enough to differentiate between bluffand merit. If they don't decide based on merit this time, they shouldn't be allowed to govern Pakistan in future.
 
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This move/news by PMLN could be a bluff. but saying that they've always tried to avoid a powerful commission.

Either way, I think we'll get some sort of verdict along with a commission.

@bold.. Even i suspect this... It could be a deliberate move by PML N to make PTI believe tht they want to avoid commission... Even yesterday, Salman butt in court said tht they want to go for a commission
 
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@Farah Sohail

PTI is currently going through their own case and evidences. And in my opinion, they have become mature enough to differentiate between bluffand merit. If they don't decide based on merit this time, they shouldn't be allowed to govern Pakistan in future.
The burden shouldn't be on PTI at all regarding merit and bluff. Judges should decide on their own. Why are they "Judges"? It is evident that they don't want to take the final decision now. In this scenario where there is even 1% chance of NS getting a clean chit, best option is to go for a powerful commision. Whenever and whatever, the outcome of commision and then judgement is, ruling family will get more treatment like Zardari. Even a campaign can be run ,that like Zardari, nothing could be proved against NS but he is dirty.
 
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The burden shouldn't be on PTI at all regarding merit and bluff. Judges should decide on their own. Why are they "Judges"?

That's what judges are also stating. They are not asking PTI to provide proofs, but forming a commission which could investigate further and obtain relevant evidences so that they can decide.

Had they put burden of proof entirely on PTI, the matter would have already been decided against PTI by now for providing downloaded documents.

Right now the situation is that they are not in a position to decide on the basis of available downloaded documents. For example, there are a couple of documents that say that Maryam is a beneficial owner. When judge pointed to this document, defense council stated that he had no idea about this document. So in fact, he made the document inadmissible. Had he accepted the document, court would have taken it as "attestation" from defense council. Judges in fact tricked him, but he was clever enough to say that he doesn't know about any such document that shows Maryam is a beneficial owner.

In the above scenario, we should understand that judges will have to obtain the original, or notarized and attested copy of the original document. Only then the defense council will not be able to refute that document.
 
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Thanks for sharing. I heard IK's statement and wanted to share but then aircraft crash made me forget everything.
@Farah Sohail please read this as you have been very emotional about it...IK is never going for commission.
Jamat-e-Islami is the group of hypocrites and double faced people who sell themselves and the religion for the sake of some worldly gains. Their history is full of deception and that is why it never became popular despite being the oldest political group. So don't take words of Siraj or any teddy bear seriously.

So I hope you will vote for IK
 
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lk has favoured Pmln & saved his ATMs & himself from commision in his own Case . Case will be dismissed for sure as there is no evidence against PM?
 
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That's what judges are also stating. They are not asking PTI to provide proofs, but forming a commission which could investigate further and obtain relevant evidences so that they can decide.

Judges have to bear the pressure, they shouldn't have taken up the case in first place if tackling pressure was beyond them, judges want a scapegoat to face repercussions of the verdict. If JC was the only option then why did SC waste time on proceedings in the name of arguments, it should have formulated ToRs and be done with it.

There's nothing which JC can investigate vis a vis Sharifs -- NAB, SEC, FBR, FIA being arms of JC work under the influence of one who's directly accused in the case. BVI authorities will never respond to the request for cooperation, let alone verification, what happened to probe into Panama scam in India is in front of us.

Burden of proof is on Sharif, failure to provide evidence should mean something. IK opted best option available to him, JC won't serve any purpose.

@Farah Sohail I hope your BP is back to normal. :)
 
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That's what judges are also stating. They are not asking PTI to provide proofs, but forming a commission which could investigate further and obtain relevant evidences so that they can decide.

Had they put burden of proof entirely on PTI, the matter would have already been decided against PTI by now for providing downloaded documents.

Right now the situation is that they are not in a position to decide on the basis of available downloaded documents. For example, there are a couple of documents that say that Maryam is a beneficial owner. When judge pointed to this document, defense council stated that he had no idea about this document. So in fact, he made the document inadmissible. Had he accepted the document, court would have taken it as "attestation" from defense council. Judges in fact tricked him, but he was clever enough to say that he doesn't know about any such document that shows Maryam is a beneficial owner.

In the above scenario, we should understand that judges will have to obtain the original, or notarized and attested copy of the original document. Only then the defense council will not be able to refute that document.
I am talking about burden/merits of forming a commision or not. See the following post of Emmie.

Judges have to bear the pressure, they shouldn't have taken up the case in first place if tackling pressure was beyond them, judges want a scapegoat to face repercussions of the verdict. If JC was the only option then why did SC waste time on proceedings in the name of arguments, it should have formulated ToRs and be done with it.

There's nothing which JC can investigate vis a vis Sharifs -- NAB, SEC, FBR, FIA all work under the influence of one who's directly accused in the case. BVI authorities will never respond to the request for cooperation, let alone verification, what happened to probe into Panama scam in India is in front of us.

Burden of proof is on Sharif, failure to provide evidence should mean something. IK opted best option available to him, JC won't serve any purpose.

@Farah Sohail I hope your BP is back to normal. :)


Jaldbaaz and stupid.... court already said yesterday that both sides presented insufficient evidence and hence gave an option of forming a commission to probe firther....

Make a wild guess what would be the decision on basis of un sufficient evidence...

PTI is history... if commission is not formed
If Nawaz and Zardari can survive with all the corrouption then I have high hopes that PTI can survive much longer.

lk has favoured Pmln & saved his ATMs & himself from commision in his own Case . Case will be dismissed for sure as there is no evidence against PM?
There was never going to be a commision against IK. The case is solely about Ganja and his corrupt family.
 
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