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[PakSword]

Waqayi hosakta hai ke party ne durgat banayi ho, in dono ki....tab hi tu aaj Shireen Mazari, who said similar thing 2 days ago, criticised Zubarir, loll

Waisy unn becharay PTIans ka ab kiya hoga...jo bhar bhar kar Raheel Sharif ko bura bhala keh rahay thay..twitter par? Riyal Sharif aur pata nahi kiya kya keh rahay thay... Af unn becharon ka kiya hoga, jab IK ne RS ki tareef kar di, lolll..

Actually PTI ke supporters aur doosri parties ke supporters main ziada farq nahi hai.. Lekin aik baat zaroor hai, PTI ke unn supporters ki tadaad kafi ziada hai jo PTI ki ghalat policies ke khilaaf awaaz uthatay hain.. Jaisay ke main,, har aik baat aankhain band kar ke nahi maan leta.. jahan credit dena ho, deta hun, jahan inn ki bajani ho wahan bajata hun..

You have to visit siasat pk forum to see PTI ke kuttar supporters kaisay shireen mazari aur naeem ul haq ki full time baja rahay thay..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Waisy Rauf klasra aur amir Mateen..aaj ek aur conspiracy theory bhi le aaye.. Keh rahay thay ke ye Zubair Sb ka jo aaj confidence tha....ye kahan se aaya? They were trying to say ke Zubair was classfellow of Gen Bajwa...aur uss confidence par unhon ne ye sab keh diya... So they were advising Gen Bajwa..ke aap iss sab ko rokein... Waisy khush na ho..jaisy jab Gen Kiyani ke khilaf campaign hoti thee..tab woh log khush hotay thay..ab unn ke apnay saath horaha hai.....3 saal baad aap ke saath hoga...

Mujhe waisy ye conspiracy theory theek nahi lagti... Ke tab Gen Raheel Sharif kehtay honge ye ab Gen Bajwa khush honge... I dont think..tht can be the case.. Esp Gen Raheel Sharif ki land allottment walay issue par ISPR ne strong worded statement diya tha... Woh chahtay tu us par khamosh reh saktay thay... Is liye..ye theory acceptable nahi hai...

 

[PakSword]

That's been tried and failed.

Public needs to vote.

Selection of the candidates who can stand should be made after a thorough vetting by every institution (that should be completely independent). Those who get complete clearance should be allowed to contest in a completely structured manner (debates etc).

And there should be no political parties.

Still, this is not how first four Khalifas were chosen.. But anyway, it's a good idea to vet candidates thoroughly by the institutions first.. Lekin it doesn't seem practical.. thousands of candidates hotay hain..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Actually PTI ke supporters aur doosri parties ke supporters main ziada farq nahi hai.. Lekin aik baat zaroor hai, PTI ke unn supporters ki tadaad kafi ziada hai jo PTI ki ghalat policies ke khilaaf awaaz uthatay hain.. Jaisay ke main,, har aik baat aankhain band kar ke nahi maan leta.. jahan credit dena ho, deta hun, jahan inn ki bajani ho wahan bajata hun..

You have to visit siasat pk forum to see PTI ke kuttar supporters kaisay shireen mazari aur naeem ul haq ki full time baja rahay thay..

I think ..majority woh hai..jo blindly follow karte hain... Woh log PTI main bhtt minority main hain, jo criticise kartay hain.... Twitter par PTI supporters ko ek nazar dekh lein tu pata chal jata hai.....

I myself dont follow anyone blindly too.... I still think Gen RS was lenient on dawn leaks.. I criticise him for tht.....Lekin iska ye matlab bhi nahi ke unki jaani dushman hojaun..aur unki har baat hi ghalat ho... Jo sahi hai, woh sahi, jo ghalat woh ghalat..

I criticise many PTI things..lekin agar IK ki koi baat sahi hogi, tu usay support bhi karun gi...Jo log mujhe pasand bhi hon..unki bhi koi ghalat baat dekhun..tu i criticise..

 

[PakSword]

Waisy Rauf klasra aur amir Mateen..aaj ek aur conspiracy theory bhi le aaye.. Keh rahay thay ke ye Zubair Sb ka jo aaj confidence tha....ye kahan se aaya? They were trying to say ke Zubair was classfellow of Gen Bajwa...aur uss confidence par unhon ne ye sab keh diya... So they were advising Gen Bajwa..ke aap iss sab ko rokein... Waisy khush na ho..jaisy jab Gen Kiyani ke khilaf campaign hoti thee..tab woh log khush hotay thay..ab unn ke apnay saath horaha hai.....3 saal baad aap ke saath hoga...

Mujhe waisy ye conspiracy theory theek nahi lagti... Ke tab Gen Raheel Sharif kehtay honge ye ab Gen Bajwa khush honge... I dont think..tht can be the case.. Esp Gen Raheel Sharif ki land allottment walay issue par ISPR ne strong worded statement diya tha... Woh chahtay tu us par khamosh reh saktay thay... Is liye..ye theory acceptable nahi hai...

These are all bongian..

Gen Raheel Shareef ka sirf aik ikhtelaaf tha.. woh tha extension ke maslay par.. Iss ka shayad kabhi unhon ne kisi ke aagay zikar kia ho ke Kiyani shouldn't have taken extension aur hamari press ne uss chhoti si baat ka batangar banadia ho..

Lekin agar socha jaey tou agar Gen Kiyani ko extension nahi milti tou RS kabhi chief na bantay..

 

[Farah Sohail]

These are all bongian..

Gen Raheel Shareef ka sirf aik ikhtelaaf tha.. woh tha extension ke maslay par.. Iss ka shayad kabhi unhon ne kisi ke aagay zikar kia ho ke Kiyani shouldn't have taken extension aur hamari press ne uss chhoti si baat ka batangar banadia ho..

Lekin agar socha jaey tou agar Gen Kiyani ko extension nahi milti tou RS kabhi chief na bantay..

Rauf Klasra said ke Gen Raheel......Gen Kiyani se iss liye naraz thay...because Gen Kiyani didnt recommend his name for COAS, but someone else...

Haroon Rashid ne bhi ek dafa aisi baat ki thee ke..kuch is tarah ka ishara diya tha...wajah tu nahi batayi..lekin ye ke Gen Raheel Sharif shayad pasand nahi kartay thay..iss liye Gen Kiyani ke khilaf campaign chali.....But mera nahi khyal ke aisi koi baat hogi..

 

[PakSword]

Rauf Klasra said ke Gen Raheel......Gen Kiyani se iss liye naraz thay...because Gen Kiyani didnt recommend his name for COAS, but someone else...

Haroon Rashid ne bhi ek dafa aisi baat ki thee ke..kuch is tarah ka ishara diya tha.....But mera nahi khyal ke aisi koi baat hogi..

Ohh nahi.. yeh sab bongian.. andhairay main teer chalanay wali baat hai.. Yeh aik routine ka kaam hota hai.. iss tarha tou har Lt. Gen, retired Gen se jalnay lagay..

Khair aik baat aur bhi thi.. woh thi Gen Kiyani ke brother ka scandal.. RS ne khamosh rehna ziada behtar samjha.. warna jo time chal raha tha uss main yeh sab mil kar kehtay ke Gen RS corrupt logon ki support kar rahay hain..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Ohh nahi.. yeh sab bongian.. andhairay main teer chalanay wali baat hai.. Yeh aik routine ka kaam hota hai.. iss tarha tou har Lt. Gen, retired Gen se jalnay lagay..

Khair aik baat aur bhi thi.. woh thi Gen Kiyani ke brother ka scandal.. RS ne khamosh rehna ziada behtar samjha.. warna jo time chal raha tha uss main yeh sab mil kar kehtay ke Gen RS corrupt logon ki support kar rahay hain..

Waqayi... Gen kiyani par jo bhi campaign hoti thee..woh unke bhaiyyon se hi related thee...ziada ...ya extension.....

Haroon Rashid ka tu pata hi hai..ke woh Gen Kiyani ke khilaf kuch nahi sunn saktay... Tu jab unke khilaf campaign horahi hogi...tu woh Gen Raheel Sharif se naraz hogaye honge...

Aur yahan tu Gen Bajwa..ne Gen Raheel Sharif ki land allottment walay issue par ISPR se statement release karaya tha.. Woh chahtay tu chup reh saktay thay....agar woh khush honay walay hotay..

Lekin media walay bas conspiracy theories laatay hain....

 

[PakSword]

I think ..majority woh hai..jo blindly follow karte hain... Woh log PTI main bhtt minority main hain, jo criticise kartay hain.... Twitter par PTI supporters ko ek nazar dekh lein tu pata chal jata hai.....

I myself dont follow anyone blindly too.... I still think Gen RS was lenient on dawn leaks.. I criticise him for tht.....Lekin iska ye matlab bhi nahi ke unki jaani dushman hojaun..aur unki har baat hi ghalat ho... Jo sahi hai, woh sahi, jo ghalat woh ghalat..

I criticise many PTI things..lekin agar IK ki koi baat sahi hogi, tu usay support bhi karun gi...Jo log mujhe pasand bhi hon..unki bhi koi ghalat baat dekhun..tu i criticise..

PTI ki foreign policies pe mujhay bhi reservations hain, lekin sirf aik foreign policy hi kuchh nahi hoti..

Jo kaam PTI ne KP main Education, Health, aur Environment ke liey kiey hain, patwari uss ka soch bhi nahi saktay..

Police ke nizaam ko bhi behtar banaya hai... Abb foreign policy pe, jaisa ke lag raha hai, IK aur PA mein hamaahangi aati ja rahi hai tou yeh area bhi kafi sudhar jaega.. in shaa Allah..

KP main Quran Tarjumay se parhanay wala jo faisla tha, uss pe tou main bilkul hi fan hogaya tha.. Phir yeh jo recently dekha hai, zamung kor.. that is also one of its kind..

Aik taxi driver mujhay KP ka mila tha yahan Abu Dhabi main, he told me ke hospitals main safai itni ziada hogaee hai ke lagta hi nahi hum Pakistan ke hospital main hain..

Inn sab se mujhay aik baat ka ehsaas hua, hamara budget enough hota hai.. agar 90% bhi sahi jaga kharch hojaey tou Pakistan ki qismat badal jaey..

 

[Farah Sohail]

PTI ki foreign policies pe mujhay bhi reservations hain, lekin sirf aik foreign policy hi kuchh nahi hoti..

Jo kaam PTI ne KP main Education, Health, aur Environment ke liey kiey hain, patwari uss ka soch bhi nahi saktay..

Police ke nizaam ko bhi behtar banaya hai... Abb foreign policy pe, jaisa ke lag raha hai, IK aur PA mein hamaahangi aati ja rahi hai tou yeh area bhi kafi sudhar jaega.. in shaa Allah..

KP main Quran Tarjumay se parhanay wala jo faisla tha, uss pe tou main bilkul hi fan hogaya tha.. Phir yeh jo recently dekha hai, zamung kor.. that is also one of its kind..

Aik taxi driver mujhay KP ka mila tha yahan Abu Dhabi main, he told me ke hospitals main safai itni ziada hogaee hai ke lagta hi nahi hum Pakistan ke hospital main hain..

Inn sab se mujhay aik baat ka ehsaas hua, hamara budget enough hota hai.. agar 90% bhi sahi jaga kharch hojaey tou Pakistan ki qismat badal jaey..

Agar PTI apni foreign policy main improvements le aaye tu is se better kuch nahi hosakta..

Sirf yehi nahi..dopsri bongian maarna bhi khatam kar dein....

I wish best for Pakistan.. If PTI is better for Pakistan, then it should be in power... Agar ziada bongian maarni hain, tu na aaye...

Waisy ye baat bhi therk hai ke PPP aur PML N jitni buri tu nahi hosakti... Bas kuch sudhar jayein ...aur bolnay se pehlay soch zurooor liya karein

 

[Verve]

Still, this is not how first four Khalifas were chosen.. But anyway, it's a good idea to vet candidates thoroughly by the institutions first.. Lekin it doesn't seem practical.. thousands of candidates hotay hain..

The Khalifas were sohabas. We have none amongst us. And that election system was the need of then, it doesn't apply now as the circumstances we very different. 'Voting for one leader' part we should take from it.

To be a presidential candidate, there will have to be a minimum criteria that one must meet before even being considered for vetting. Elected Local government reps, elected parliamentarians, top technocrats, professors etc etc, will give us a good enough pool for applicants.

Head of all institutions then should interview the vetted candidates and finalise 3-4 for public to elect one.

 

[Mansoon]

Panama decision to be announced today inshallah

 

[fatman17]

Panama decision to be announced today inshallah

How do you know that.

 

[The Accountant]

If what you say is true then Qaid-e-Azam was wrong about 'Islamic Democracy' and what he said about Islam and Democracy (not this liberal secular democracy).

Parliamentary democracy, in my opinion, is not compatible with Islam. We need Presidential Democracy, one man elected directly by public through count of 'bayte'.

I have not studied Quaid-e-Azam's idea of democracy in detail ... What I am considering democracy here is the generally acceptable definition... Most of the people don't know the definition of democracy ,, as per them election is the democracy which is entirely wrong .

As per oxford democracy means "system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. 'a system of parliamentary democracy'"

So it gave powers to the people of the land to make the rule to govern the country ... In Islam this power can be cannot be with the people of the land but it has to be within the umbrella of Quran and Sunnah ...

So you can have anyone ruling the country (prime minsiter, president) or use any method to select that person, based on general voting, based on voting of seleted individuals, or nomination,,, all those person should have powers limited to allowed by Quran and Sunnah ...

 

[Sugarcane]

This thread is still alive? Bhai ap logo k pass koi kaam dhanda nahi hai?