Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[El Sidd]

Either you have no knowledge of islamic political system or you have no knowledge of democracy ...

In democracy people are supreme and parliment being representative to supreme ... they cqn pass whatever law they want ... for example in democracy a parliment can legalise gay marriages where same is haram ...

In islamic system parliment is under the rule set by quran and sunnah ...

This is a huge difference ...

And what did i say that was unacceptable to you? Islam promotes the process of debate and consultations.
Why do people when they hear the word 'Democracy' simply put on their Gay Wedding Hats all of a sudden.
There is more to life than these mere shenanigans.

 

[BHarwana]

It is difficult, but not impossible..

PMLN was planning to hold processions in case verdict comes against them, as evident in the statements from different ministers.. PTI never said that it will prove to be "lohay ke channay", "ya khooni inqelaab aayega" ya "NS ko awam parchi ki taqat se hi laein hain, SC ko koi haq nahi kisi ko hatanay ka"..

Don't put blame on PTI please.. Look at the statements of different ministers and you will know who is panning to create chaos after decision.

Look Pti was successful to declare Nawaz corrupt in front of the entire nation this is one thing PTI has achieved from the Panama leaks. Now about Nawaz being declared as a culprit requires evidence which has not been provided and Nawaz will be given benefit of doubt but he can also be convicted so no clear picture but Armies statement clearly says that they will impose what ever verdict comes out.

 

[PakSword]

Waisy DG ISPR said yesterday tht army chief will meet other politicians too

I told you yesterday that meeting PTI chief was the most important task.. Meeting others is to show that they are not giving any priority to any particular politician or party..

By the way, aik achi khabar hai.. shaam tak bataunga (agar conformation hogaee).. PTI aur PA ke taaluqat itnay kharab nahi huay Naeem ul Haq aur Shireen ki statements se jitna hum ne mehsoos kia tha..

So everything is alright..

 

[El Sidd]

Islamic democracy is more compatible with republican presidential system of Usa, the Us system of govt is based on the caliphate system, islam utterly rejects parlimentry democracy, islam also rejects legislation by humans in matters on which Allah has already legislated in the Holy quran, i guess pakistani constitution is based on that as acc to constitution parliment cant pass a law contridictory to islamic law yet we need the presidential system to promote central power, this parlimentry system will break us just as it broke britain, scotland is about to become separate, ireland already is, this parlimentry sysyem will lead to disintegration of pakistan one day in to four states if we continue with it..

I guess right now the only country where you can say some sort of Islamic system is imposed is Pakistan. Islam doesn't reject Parliamentary system it only limits its jurisdiction.

 

[PakSword]

Now about Nawaz being declared as a culprit requires evidence which has not been provided and Nawaz will be given benefit of doubt but he can also be convicted so no clear picture but Armies statement clearly says that they will impose what ever verdict comes out.

I agree with you.. Please read the posts in the previous pages.. No one is saying that Nawaz has been proven corrupt.. What we have been discussing is that whether a commission will be formed or judges will have the guts to declare PM dishonest (due to contradictory statements)..

Everyone here is agreeing to the fact that it requires investigation and proper recording of evidences before Nawaz is declared corrupt..

I am of the view that a commission will be formed and Nawaz may be "suspended" not disqualified, until commission probes into the matter.. Others here think that 62/ 63 may be applied..

So we have followed the case very closely my friend.. I think you have not been to this thread for quite a long time?

 

[Farah Sohail]

I told you yesterday that meeting PTI chief was the most important task.. Meeting others is to show that they are not giving any priority to any particular politician or party..

By the way, aik achi khabar hai.. shaam tak bataunga (agar conformation hogaee).. PTI aur PA ke taaluqat itnay kharab nahi huay Naeem ul Haq aur Shireen ki statements se jitna hum ne mehsoos kia tha..

So everything is alright..

Chalein acha hai ke agar talluqaat kharab nahi huay.. Lekin PTI ka bharosa koi nahi hai... Ye koi last time thori hai... Aagay bhi karsaktay hain aisi stupidities... Allah karay ke ab hosh ke nakhun lein...

I hope army chief Jamaat e Islami, ya Sheikh Rashid ya doosri is tarah ki parties se mil lein... PPP ko refuse karnay ka koi bahaana soch lein, lolll.... Hum tu aisy keh rahay hain..jaisy unhon ne hum se pooch kar hi milna hai.... ........ Lekin PPP

 

[El Sidd]

Sorry that i was diverted off the topic.

Regarding Panama and Mr. Bajwa's visit to UK.

There are still things which need to come out to the public. There are a couple of issues which will be open to media circus before the verdict is announced.

Pakistan is heading towards its first proper elections. Political parties should step up the rhetoric against corruption and state of affairs.

Mr. Bajwa may pay a visit to Mr. Lyal of Lyalpur

 

[BHarwana]

Lets see but at this point Nawaz needs to be disqualified because removing him will be no achievement as Nawaz is already at an end of his tenure. Yes I don't come to this thread too often.

 

[PakSword]

Hum tu aisy keh rahay hain..jaisy unhon ne hum se pooch kar hi milna hai.... ........

lolll...

 

[Farah Sohail]

lolll...

Waisy kaash hum se pooch kar kia kartay kaam tu kia hi baat thee Aur kuch na sahi, shahzadi sahiba tu dawn leaks par jail main hotein phir Lekin....

 

[PakSword]

Aur kuch na sahi, shahzadi sahiba tu dawn leaks par jail main hotein phir

Aap se pooch kar kartay tou Baji ke jail janay se pahlay baal bhi nochay jatay...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Aap se pooch kar kartay tou Baji ke jail janay se pahlay baal bhi nochay jatay...

Nahi..... Shayad sirf jail par baat khatam hojati... Baqi physical torture par baat na jaati.. Akhir main ek naram dil insaan hun
Lekin baji...ab tak jail ki sair tu zuroor karchuki hotein, ye tu pakki baat hoti ...Aur hamesha ta qayamat ke liye politics se out

Biloo bhai se poochtay tu Mian Sb bhi ab tak panama case main jail main hotay... Matlab dono baap beti ab tak jail main araam farmaa rahay hotay

Kaash pdf walon ki baat bhi suni jaati , lol

 

[Guvera]

In the meanwhile PTI has been allowed to contest Chakwal by-polls on their trademark election sign "Cricket Bat"

https://daily.urdupoint.com/livenews/2017-04-06/news-989377.html

 

[Arsalan]

You are right... Main sabar kar bhi leti hun..lekin itna kuch horaha hai mulk main..ke phir sochnay lagti hun ke bas...ab tu aajana chahye faisla.... Mid april tak wait karna ka tu soch liya tha...aur phir jab judges ko dekhtay hain ke woh roz doosre cases ki daily hearings karrahay hain tu phir soch aajati hai ke pehle ek panama case tu farigh kar dein..baqi baad main daily hearings kar lein...
Jitna delay horaha hai, darr hai ke kahin Nawaz Sharif mulk se bahar jaa kar resign na kar dey...aur phir panama case ka decision hi irrelevant na hojaye...kahin... iss liye bhi ziada bechaini hai

Sir mulk mein jo kuch ho raha ha, 70 saal sa yehi ho raha haa na!! Tu i dont think ka "ab tu aajana chahea faisla" is the the right thing to say or expect!!! Our grandparents should have said this, we are alraedy past that point. Plus, faislay anay sa kuch ni ho gaa, jo ho raha ha that is not related to this SC verdict. Also there is absolutely no idea of what the verdict will be so how can we base our argument on that?
Sabr krain, hosla rakin, aik he baat bar baar krny sa KOI FAIDA nahi ho raha, awain apna khoon jala rahi ho ap! Just pray to Allah that things change for better. This is the most you can do for now. Bs yeh kah raha hoon mein.

AND STOP LISTENING TO THE TALK SHOWS, They are nothing but load of crap!!

Sir aap ne buhat achi baat ki, lekin aap yeh dekhain ke kitna afra tafree phel rahi hai.. Hum log tou qayamat tak wait karlaingay lekin kia Pakistan iss delay ka mutahammil hosakta hai? dekhain kia horaha hai, kitni misinformation phelai ja rahi hai.. PTI main bhi kuchh log pagal pan main apni party ko naaqabil e tafaafi nuqsaan pohncha rahay hain..

I have always been of the view that PTI and IK are there own biggest rivals and enemies. Mujy sach mein buth mayoosi hoti ha in ke aksar harkatoon pa. He needs to play it maturely but khotay ka dimag ha is bndy ka bhe!! Politics nam ke koi cheez aati he ni ha isy. I sometime fear that if he does comes to power how will he handle Pakistan's international relations. Sb ko danda dy dyy ga aesy tu yeh bnda!! Jo isolation India creat krna chata ha wo yeh kud kr lay ga!! Idiotic mistakes are being made from there side.

However, as for the chaos, please remember that ANY VERDICT from SC wont solve that. Mulk mein unstability ha, SC verdict will just add to it. It is the post verdict actions that will/MAY bring things back on track in a few months or weeks. So rather than praying for a verdict soon, pray for one that is better for the country. Besides, there is no point in saying the same thing over and over and over and over again. Apna he khoon jalanay wali baat ha, better do something constructive and good for the country, agr online be krna ha to be part of some progressive drive, start one of your own, get the nation together. If you can approach and convince 50 or 100 people that it is PAKISTAN what matters and not PPP, PTI or PMLN then you have done your part.

I am sorry @Farah Sohail @PakSword and all others if i sound harsh but this is what i have been observing and had to say it out loud and hope you guys will understand what i mean.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Sir mulk mein jo kuch ho raha ha, 70 saal sa yehi ho raha haa na!! Tu i dont think ka "ab tu aajana chahea faisla" is the the right thing to say or expect!!! Our grandparents should have said this, we are alraedy past that point. Plus, faislay anay sa kuch ni ho gaa, jo ho raha ha that is not related to this SC verdict. Also there is absolutely no idea of what the verdict will be so how can we base our argument on that?
Sabr krain, hosla rakin, aik he baat bar baar krny sa KOI FAIDA nahi ho raha, awain apna khoon jala rahi ho ap! Just pray to Allah that things change for better. This is the most you can do for now. Bs yeh kah raha hoon mein.

AND STOP LISTENING TO THE TALK SHOWS, They are nothing but load of crap!!


I have always been of the view that PTI and IK are there own biggest rivals and enemies. Mujy sach mein buth mayoosi hoti ha in ke aksar harkatoon pa. He needs to play it maturely but khotay ka dimag ha is bndy ka bhe!! Politics nam ke koi cheez aati he ni ha isy. I sometime fear that if he does comes to power how will he handle Pakistan's international relations. Sb ko danda dy dyy ga aesy tu yeh bnda!! Jo isolation India creat krna chata ha wo yeh kud kr lay ga!! Idiotic mistakes are being made from there side.

However, as for the chaos, please remember that ANY VERDICT from SC wont solve that. Mulk mein unstability ha, SC verdict will just add to it. It is the post verdict actions that will/MAY bring things back on track in a few months or weeks. So rather than praying for a verdict soon, pray for one that is better for the country. Besides, there is no point in saying the same thing over and over and over and over again. Apna he khoon jalanay wali baat ha, better do something constructive and good for the country, agr online be krna ha to be part of some progressive drive, start one of your own, get the nation together. If you can approach and convince 50 or 100 people that it is PAKISTAN what matters and not PPP, PTI or PMLN then you have done your part.

I am sorry @Farah Sohail @PakSword and all others if i sound harsh but this is what i have been observing and had to say it out loud and hope you guys will understand what i mean.

Sir, duaa tu kar hi rahay hain... Jahan tak SC ke verdict ki baat hai...tu pehli dafa, ek sitting prime minister ka case purely corruption ki basis par sunaa jaaraha hai...tu obviously us main interest itnaa hi ziadaa hai...

Aur doosri baat aap ne bilkol theek ki...aap ne tht it is Pakistan what matters, and not PTI, PPP or PML N... Yesterday we were discussing just tht...as u yourself said too, tht IK is his own biggest enemy...and we have been discussing this topic too, last few days.tht PTI has no political wisdom
Infact We discussed and raised our reservations on PTI's foreign policy too....

Also, this SC case is also important, not because of PTI, or PML N..but because its linked to accountability of ruling elite...which is core issue of Pakistan..

All the points u mentioned..we discussed... But ye baat aap ki bilkol theek hai..ke hum kuch ziada hi impatient hogaye hain....woh nahi hona chahye.... Humein shayad kuch ziada hi jaldi hai... Jahan itna wait kar liya hai... Wahan thora aur sabar karna chahye...

Ok boss.. Ab waqayi genuinely try karun gi ke ziada impatient na hun...aur araam se wait karein