Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[QatariPrince]

Woh tu theek hai... But why would COAS personally inform and convince IK for NRO with Nawaz Sharif? COAS could just help Nawaz Sharif behind the scenes.. He will be extremely stupid to try to convince IK, not to stage protest, if decision comes in favor of Nawaz Sharif...esp when Ik couldnt be convinced by Gen Raheel Sharif..

Kuch tu hai jo is time meeting ki hai! Aur is time 2 hi topic hain. Panama case and Dawn Leaks. COAS nay dawn leaks per khud tu baat nahi ki ho gi, IK nay khud kuch kaha ho tu ho!

Panama Case per ho sakti hai IMO kay decision jo bhi ho accept kerna hai.

Remember that Election Rigging Dharna. Us time COAS nay guarantee di thi kay sab investigation transparent ho gi but IK refused. Army bhi check kerti hai kay jin kay sath agay ja ker kaam kerna par sakta hai tu hamaray sath relationship main kitnay flexable ho saktay hain. Last time IK nay flexibility nahi dikhai thi. I remember Rauf Klasra was bashing IK that time and said IK should accept this reality that Army has big say in Pakistan and if he wants to form government then he must show some flexibility, Army khud bhi sochti ho gi kay yea hamari 1 baat nahi maan raha kal ko PM etc banay ga aur koi aisi situation a gai tu hamaray lye hi problem ho gi

Main nahi yea baat manta kay IK aur COAS nay Afghan Muahjreen aur FATA main operation per baat ki hai. Us ka kya relation IK key sath? Wo Govt main betha planning ker raha hai? Yea baat nahi k yea battien na hui hon. Hui hon gi per PRIMARY ISSUES koi aur hain jo discuss huay hon gay.

Yea battien tu Pervaiz Khattak say Peshawar ka Core Commandar rooz kerta ho ga!

 

[Farah Sohail]

Kuch tu hai jo is time meeting ki hai! Aur is time 2 hi topic hain. Panama case and Dawn Leaks. COAS nay dawn leaks per khud tu baat nahi ki ho gi, IK nay khud kuch kaha ho tu ho!

Panama Case per ho sakti hai IMO kay decision jo bhi ho accept kerna hai.

Remember that Election Rigging Dharna. Us time COAS nay guarantee di thi kay sab investigation transparent ho gi but IK refused. Army bhi check kerti hai kay jin kay sath agay ja ker kaam kerna par sakta hai tu hamaray sath relationship main kitnay flexable ho saktay hain. Last time IK nay flexibility nahi dikhai thi. I remember Rauf Klasra was bashing IK that time and said IK should accept this reality that Army has big say in Pakistan and if he wants to form government then he must show some flexibility, Army khud bhi sochti ho gi kay yea hamari 1 baat nahi maan raha kal ko PM etc banay ga aur koi aisi situation a gai tu hamaray lye hi problem ho gi

Mujhe lagta hai ke Gen Raheel Sharif walay issue par zuroor baat hui hogi....aur yehi main topic hoga jis ke liye COAS ne bulaya hoga.. Mujhe bhi FATA issues, main topic nahi lagta...

Panama issue supreme court main hai.. Us par COAS is waqt baat kar ke khud ko controversial nahi banayein ge..jab ke pata bhi ho ke baat bahar nikal sakti hai....

 

[QatariPrince]

Mujhe lagta hai ke Gen Raheel Sharif walay issue par zuroor baat hui hogi....aur yehi main topic hoga jis ke liye COAS ne bulaya hoga.. Mujhe bhi FATA issues, main topic nahi lagta...

Panama issue supreme court main hai.. Us par COAS is waqt baat kar ke khud ko controversial nahi banayein ge..jab ke pata bhi ho ke baat bahar nikal sakti hai....

Phir COAS IK kya Ramzan ki Iftari ka menu bananay thori bethy hon gay kay. Aisi kya zaroorat par gai meeting ki in ko

 

[Farah Sohail]

Phir COAS IK kya Ramzan ki Iftari ka menu bananay thori bethy hon gay kay. Aisi kya zaroorat par gai meeting ki in ko

I think main topic Gen Raheel Sharif issue hosakta hai.... Aur NRO ka perception khatam karna bhi hosakta , public ki nazar main

Lekin COAS ko pata tha ke is meeting par har tarah ke analysis honge.. PML N walay apni nazar se karein ge aur PTI walay apni nazar se... Iske bawajood bhi meeting karna unwise decision hai.. Abhi tu PML N walay bhi bhtt royein ge

 

[QatariPrince]

I think main topic Gen Raheel Sharif issue hosakta hai.... Aur NRO ka perception khatam karna bhi hosakta , public ki nazar main

Lekin COAS ko pata tha ke is meeting par har tarah ke analysis honge.. PML N walay apni nazar se karein ge aur PTI walay apni nazar se... Iske bawajood bhi meeting karna unwise decision hai.. Abhi tu PML N walay bhi bhtt royein ge

IK kafi agay chala gya hai Raheel Sharif kay Yemen Coalition head kay issue per. Udher flexibility dikhaye ga ab tu saray IK ko hi kahyen gay kay yea bhi Army kay anghotay key neechay a gya hai aur 1 meeting main baki politicans ki tarhan beth gya hai

 

[Farah Sohail]

IK kafi agay chala gya hai Raheel Sharif kay Yemen Coalition head kay issue per. Udher flexibility dikhaye ga ab tu saray IK ko hi kahyen gay kay yea bhi Army kay anghotay key neechay a gya hai aur 1 meeting main baki politicans ki tarhan beth gya hai

Ye sab tu panama issue par bhi hoga...ke agar flexibility dikhaye ga tu ab sab yehi kahein ge

But agar IK ko manage karna tha COAS ne...tu woh backdoor meeting bhi hosakti thee...jaisy Shahbaz Sharif aur Ch Nisar kiya karte thay Gen Kiyani se...

Ye tu proper ISPR ne disclose ki hai.... Is baat par mujhe herat hai ke....COAS ko pata hoga ke is waqt is mulaqat par har tarah ke analysis aayein ge.. He took a very big risk.. Ab iska ye impact unke apnay ooper hoga..ye tu waqt hi batayega... Lekin agar kisi bhi tarah ab panama ka faisla Nawaz Dharif ke favor main aata hai ( jis ka mujhe tu koi chance nazar nahi aata) tab COAS tu gaye.....

 

[Farah Sohail]

Whatever the truth... But one thing is interesting and ironic...... PML N waly thinking COAS meeting IK is a conspiracy against them... PTI walay thinking tht COAS met IK to manage him, post panama verdict sceneario..meaning another NRO for Nawaz Sharif, and panama verdict coming in Nawaz Sharif's favor...lolll... Both sides see conspiracy in this meeting...lolll

Ab sach kia hai, ye nahi pata..... Ye kuch din baad hi clear hoga....

 

[QatariPrince]

General (R) Amjab Shoaib views on COAS-IK Meeting

"Yea koi maamool ki baat nahi lag rahi"

 

[Farah Sohail]

General (R) Amjab Shoaib views on COAS-IK Meeting

"Yea koi maamool ki baat nahi lag rahi"

Asal baat tu kuch din baad hi saamnay aayegi...lekin abhi filhal PML N aur PTI ke supporters dono hi dar rahay hain... Dono samajh rahay ke unke against hai ye meeting, lol... PML N walay bhi conspiracy dekh rahay hain aur PTI walay samajh rahay ke PML N ko favor aur Imran khan ko manage karnay ke liye ye meeting hui hai, lollll

 

[Dil Pakistan]

General (R) Amjab Shoaib views on COAS-IK Meeting

"Yea koi maamool ki baat nahi lag rahi"

In my view this is very bad - for IK and for Army.

So far Army had kept itself few steps behind ALL (and I mean ALL) the matters. This had led to an environment of respect for army and a feeling of strengthening of institutions (for example SC).

This meeting does not bode well for Army to keep its non-political image. Also, IK risks to be seen as a Army stooge (like NS once was). Bad for IK's politics.

Even if the meeting was not for Panama leaks and was for the leak of security information from the meeting. COAS should not have met IK openly.

 

[Farah Sohail]

In my view this is very bad - for IK and for Army.

So far Army had kept itself few steps behind ALL (and I mean ALL) the matters. This had led to an environment of respect for army and a feeling of strengthening of institutions (for example SC).

This meeting does not bode well for Army to keep its non-political image. Also, IK risks to be seen as a Army stooge (like NS once was). Bad for IK's politics.

Even if the meeting was not for Panama leaks and was for the leak of security information from the meeting. COAS should not have met IK openly.

I also feel it will have negative fallout.. Now SC judges will be under more pressure, not to be seen as party to some sazish or backdoor deal with establishment... On other hand, if decision is lenient on NS now, then COAS tu gaye.. Ye perception strong strong hojayega..ke COAS, NRO ke liye IK se milay thay....Nawaz Sharif ke favor main

Dont know, who gave advice to COAS to meet IK at this time?

 

[Dil Pakistan]

I also feel it will have negative fallout.. Now SC judges will be under more pressure, not to be seen as party to some sazish or backdoor deal with establishment... On other hand, if decision is lenient on NS now, then COAS tu gaye.. Ye perception strong strong hojayega..ke COAS, NRO ke liye IK se milay thay....Nawaz Sharif ke favor main

Dont know, who gave advice to COAS to meet IK at this time?

I agree ... conspiracy theorists will get a lot of material from this meeting

 

[Farah Sohail]

I agree ... conspiracy theorists will get a lot of material from this meeting

True.... COAS ke liye dono taraf se museebat hai... If decision is lenient on NS, COAS will be seen as someone who wanted to manage fallout in post panama verdict scenario, in this meeting..

If decision is strong against Nawaz Sharif...PML N will cry foul..

If win win for both parties..then again COAS will be seen as the man behind it...even though this meeting might not have even discussed panama case

I am surprised ..why.COAS could not see its repurcussions..and why he met IK, at this point?

To make matters worse.. ISPR just said..various issues were discussed, instead of specifying them....

 

[QatariPrince]

PTI Spokesperson Fawad Ch: Dawn Leaks per bhi baat hui hai

 

[Verve]

which side of the line u think bajwa is on?

Now panama case verdict has attained even more importance and relevance than before... Whatever the decision comes, it will be interpreted in a different context now....by both parties, PML N and PTI

Personally i dont think, panama issue would have come in this meeting

@Verve @PakSword what do u think.. Would panama issue have surfaced in this discussion?

After reading PTI's tweets, I think this was to get IK onboard with what establishment is doing and planning on many issues. IK has the power base to disrupt things so best get him to work alongside establishment instead of against on policy matters. With the political fallout imminent where PMLN and PPP will be maligning army, at least with IK in agreement on policy matters there won't be an all parties revolt against PA without major disruptions on policy matters.

IK will be tested if he's told anything in confidence that he shouldn't leak. Doubt establishment will risk another PM who is a national security risk!!! Nawaz and Zardari are only hungry for their self interests, not of the nation's, and they are confirmed security risk.

Also this looks like a confirmation by Army that IK is a serious contender to win next GE. And it may also be a sign also that judgement is coming against PMLN (& PPP).

And it could also be a reply to all the army bashing PMLN is doing in inner circle. More of a 'do whatever you can, we don't give a damn' ... basically you know what.

It is a well calculated move. Loud and clear message to both Nawaz and Zardari.

Us time COAS nay guarantee di thi kay sab investigation transparent ho gi but IK refused.

Army khud bhi sochti ho gi kay yea hamari 1 baat nahi maan raha kal ko PM etc banay ga aur koi aisi situation a gai tu hamaray lye hi problem ho gi

IK did the right thing then, by refusing. It was not the constitutional role of the army to investigate election rigging. At least the SC gave a judgement on the electoral reforms required.

What has the Army managed to do so far on Model Town other than forcing an FIR? That case is all in a limbo.