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[Farah Sohail]

Regd Maryam's dependency in this case... mujhe lagta hai ke is case...main jduges dependency ko khud define karein ge..for future references... and they will define it in this case, by taking references from international laws..and available docs, in this case.. I think is matter ko who aisy hi nahi chorein ge...tht they couldn't make mind abt it... rather they will define and declare tht in their verdict for sure, in this case... I think judges even hinted towards this....

 

[IceCold]

Doosri taraf Dr Asim gets released on bail

Exactly if people like Dr. Asim can be set free on bail, can we imagine something extraordinary from this judicial system of ours, I dont think so.

 

[PakSword]

Too long yaar .. this country is glorified jail per se ... my parents left UK and returned to Pak in 70's, mom couldn't stand it here and I am sick of it too ...

I like UK very much..

I went there in 2004 to complete my studies, and didn't extend the visa to study further. Used to live next to a mosque so never had to worry about anything.. All 4 childhood school classmates used to live in the same 3 bedroom house. I liked UK because of the greenery, and then decided to apply for HSMP in 2008, got it, but never availed it..

Still miss that 3-times-a-week travelling from Luton to King's Cross on the train and Luton to Harpenden on the bus to work in a laundry.. lolll.. Those scenes... wow...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Pakki khabar nahi hai, lekin yeh options discuss huay hain security ke hawalay se ke "agar aisa hua tou kia kia risks hain aur kahan kahan garbar ke chances hain".. Jab aisa hota hai tou normally they have an idea what's coming.. But since it's not coming from the original source, I am 50-50..

Baqi yes, it is about declaration.. I think on the basis of concealment of facts plus difference in some taqareer on purpose.. Suspension is regarding the investigation of facts, which can't be known without PM going home for the time being..

Sachi baat hai, mein ne bhi nahi socha tha ke dono aik saath hosaktay hain.. But abb kuchh kuchh samajh aaraha hai ke petition main aik ilzaam nahi tha, aur aik petition bhi nahi thi.. For example, they will have to decide one action on Shaikh Rasheed's petition and they will have to decide something else on PTI's and JI's petitions.

Baqi Allah behtar janta hai.. Jab options discuss hotay hain, ke kia karna hai kis situation main, tou proper risk assessment ki jati hai.. Risk assessment is being done on these lines.. That's why kuchh log idea laga rahay hain. Yeh nahi maloom ke yeh lines SC se aayee hain ya nahi.. kyunke yeh judges apni family se bhi sab kuchh chupa rahay hain..

I have been hoping all along tht there will be some declaration regd 62/63 all along..because Sheikh Rashid ki petition is par hi base karti hai... and judges have been emphasizing in this case tht this case is abt honesty... also Justice Khosa himself said tht we can give declaration on 62/63... doosri baat ye..ke Sheikh Rashid ki petition ke jawab main unhein kuch na kuch tu likhna hi hai..abt 62/63...beshak us ke against main hi sahi..lekin kuch na kuch zikr tu karna hi hoga...

regd war gaming / risk assessment.. who tu bilkol apni assumptions par bhi kar saktay hain..obviously saaray options sab ke mind main hain ke ye hosakta hai ya ye hosakta hai..tu risk assessment tu har koi ..karta hi hai, based on every option ke ye hua tu kia karein ge? tht...I don't think..necessarily means ke kahin se koi info hi aayi hogi..

ek tu ye judges bhi na... bhtt hi pakky hain kisi ko kuch bataa nahi rahay date tak nahi ... but if the verdict is somehow the one, tht u said..then saaray delay maaf judges ko

 

[PakSword]

Regd Maryam's dependency in this case... mujhe lagta hai ke is case...main jduges dependency ko khud define karein ge..for future references... and they will define it in this case, by taking references from international laws..and available docs, in this case.. I think is matter ko who aisy hi nahi chorein ge...tht they couldn't make mind abt it... rather they will define and declare tht in their verdict for sure, in this case... I think judges even hinted towards this....

Don't think so.. But lets see.

regd w gaming / risk assessment.. who tu bilkol apni assumptions par bhi kar saktay hain..obviously saaray options sab ke mind main hain ke ye hosakta hai ya ye hosakta hai..tu risk assessment tu har koi ..karta hi hai, based on every option ke ye hua tu kia karein ge? tht...I don't think..necessarily means ke kahin se koi info hi aayi hogi..

Lekin options hi yehi discuss horahay hain.. aisa lagta hai ke inn ko khabar hai kuchh kuchh.. Koi yeh nahi keh raha ke agar PM ko clean chit milti hai tou PTI ehtijaaj karegi tou kia hoga..

I mean only suspension AND disqualification discuss horahi hai..

Aur risk assessment main hudaibiya tak ka zikar karna kafi bara eye opener hai.. lekin phir bhi I will not take it seriously.

 

[Verve]

Risk assessment is being done on these lines..

Agreed. Establishment must know the verdict hence time is required to plan for risk mitigation.

If one recalls GRS's speech where all institutions were assured that all actions to do justice will be supported fully. If we keep that in mind, Establishment would be preparing to handle the crash of this corrupt system.

One wonders who all in government are being monitored ... and those anti-state elements within the civilian setup.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Don't think so.. But lets see.

I remember..during one of the hearings... Justice Ijazul hasan said ke badi unnazar main lagta hai ke Maryam apnay walid par dependent hai... aur bhi koi baat hui thee.. I think ye is case ka bhtt important part hai... is par zuroor judges khud define karein ge... they will define it by taking examples from international laws.. mera khyal hai ke jahan kisi law main koi vacuum hota hai tu judges khud define karsaktay hain....(esp a larger bench of supreme court).... aur humaray law main dependency ki koi definition abhi tak nahi hai

Lekin options hi yehi discuss horahay hain.. aisa lagta hai ke inn ko khabar hai kuchh kuchh.. Koi yeh nahi keh raha ke agar PM ko clean chit milti hai tou PTI ehtijaaj karegi tou kia hoga..

I mean only suspension AND disqualification discuss horahi hai..

Aur risk assessment main hudaibiya tak ka zikar karna kafi bara eye opener hai.. lekin phir bhi I will not take it seriously.

Clean chit is impossible... har ek ko pata hai...

I hope what u are saying is true.. suspension and disqualification ek saath...which seems too good to be true... aisa hogaya tu maza hi aajayega... aur phir judges ke delay bhi maaf ...loll.. aisa verdict main tu phir delay justified hoga.. but who baat ke aisa verdict pehle aaye tu

 

[PakSword]

I remember..during one of the hearings... Justice Ijazul hasan said ke badi unnazar main lagta hai ke Maryam apnay walid par dependent hai... aur bhi koi baat hui thee.. I think ye is case ka bhtt important part hai... is par zuroor judges khud define karein ge... they will define it by taking examples from international laws.. mera khyal hai ke jahan kisi law main koi vacuum hota hai tu judges khud define karsaktay hain.. aur humaray law main dependency ki koi definition abhi tak nahi hai

Yeh remarks zaroor thay, but Maryam ke hawalay se koi zikar nahi hai abhi tak..

Aur yeh baat jo main ne ki hai, aaj ya kal ke programs main zaroor discuss hogi.. phir maloom chalay ga ke how much is the reference of Maryam and her dependency being discussed...

I don't think aik saath pooray khandaan ko uraeingay..

Agreed. Establishment must know the verdict hence time is required to plan for risk mitigation.

If one recalls GRS's speech where all institutions were assured that all actions to do justice will be supported fully. If we keep that in mind, Establishment would be preparing to handle the crash of this corrupt system.

One wonders who all in government are being monitored ... and those anti-state elements within the civilian setup.

Hopefully everything will be alright..

Shuru main tou inn (pmln) ke tewar buhat khatarnaak thay.. regarding riots.. khuda khuda kar ke uss se neechay aaye hain aglon ke tewar dekh kar..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yeh remarks zaroor thay, but Maryam ke hawalay se koi zikar nahi hai abhi tak..

Aur yeh baat jo main ne ki hai, aaj ya kal ke programs main zaroor discuss hogi.. phir maloom chalay ga ke how much is the reference of Maryam and her dependency being discussed...

I don't think aik saath pooray khandaan ko uraeingay..

Khawar Ghumman...who has atteneded all the hearings.. he says ke judges is case main dependency ko define karein ge..... balke who tu keh rahay hain ke main pehlay din se keh raha hun ke is case ke verdict main der hogi... kiun ke is case main bhtt saari cheezein aisi hain jo pehle dafa hain.. and he says un main se ek cheez dependency ko define karna hai kiun ke abhi tak humaray law main iski koi definition nahi hai.. he says ke shayad judges bhi iska zikr karchukay hain ke hum ye define karein ge... is liye der horahi hai

 

[PakSword]

suspension and disqualification ek saath...

Not disqualification, but declaration..

Actually I disagreed with you initially on the declaration.. but now I think 62/ 63 ke hawalay se yeh tou nahi likh saktay ke investigate karo.. I mean taqreerain bhi waheen hain, aur wakeel ne jo siasi bayan ka statement diya woh bhi waheen hai.. yeh bhi nahi keh saktay ke PM ne koi jhoot nahi bola..

 

[The Sandman]

Aj bhi faisla ni aya ye to hadd hogyi

 

[PakSword]

Khawar Ghumman...who has atteneded all the hearings.. he says ke judges is case main dependency ko define karein ge..... balke who tu keh rahay hain ke main pehlay din se keh raha hun ke is case ke verdict main der hogi... kiun ke is case main bhtt saari cheezein aisi hain jo pehle dafa hain.. and he says un main se ek cheez dependency ko define karna hai kiun ke abhi tak humaray law main iski koi definition nahi hai.. he says ke shayad judges bhi iska zikr karchukay hain ke hum ye define karein ge... is liye der horahi hai

Don't know about Khawar Ghuman, maybe he is right.. But judges can only explain something that is there already and require clarification.. Apni taraf se agar define kar dia tou PMLN dharna de kar beth jaeigi 252 days ka..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Not disqualification, but declaration..

Actually I disagreed with you initially on the declaration.. but now I think 62/ 63 ke hawalay se yeh tou nahi likh saktay ke investigate karo.. I mean taqreerain bhi waheen hain, aur wakeel ne jo siasi bayan ka statement diya woh bhi waheen hai.. yeh bhi nahi keh saktay ke PM ne koi jhoot nahi bola..

Khawar Ghumman's clip..

https://twitter.com/x/status/846751062623084545

 

[Verve]

I like UK very much..

I went there in 2004 to complete my studies, and didn't extend the visa to study further. Used to live next to a mosque so never had to worry about anything.. All 4 childhood school classmates used to live in the same 3 bedroom house. I liked UK because of the greenery, and then decided to apply for HSMP in 2008, got it, but never availed it..

Still miss that 3-times-a-week travelling from Luton to King's Cross on the train and Luton to Harpenden on the bus to work in a laundry.. lolll.. Those scenes... wow...

You had a good time it seems, students years! Yeah, some moments are quite unforgettable.

My take in UK is that of the Chinese saying on boiling the frog. If you put a frog in the boiling water, it will jump out. However if you put the frog in the pan of room temp water and heat it slowly, the frog will stay put and boil ready to eat.

It is all well and good here in the early years with all the comforts, and before you realise it is too late and you are cooked. That sense of freedom one gets in Pakistan, it's not here, one bit.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Don't know about Khawar Ghuman, maybe he is right.. But judges can only explain something that is there already and require clarification.. Apni taraf se agar define kar dia tou PMLN dharna de kar beth jaeigi 252 days ka..

main job of judiciary is to interpret laws.. aur judge ki discretion bhi hoti hai.. ye SC ka larger bench hai.. mera khyalhai ke jahan vaccum hota hai, laws main...wahan SC define karsakti hai, by taking references from international laws.... tab hi tu aksar laws ko bhi SC dismiss kar deti hai, based on their discretion..jo unhein sahi nahi lagtay