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Mansoon, is banday ki bari pakki sources hain.. aik bhi baat ghalat nahi ki iss ne.. Yeh hai kaun?

@Farah Sohail you must watch this video..


I have watched this video.. Infact someone even made a thread on this... But i am doubtful abt it... How does he know the decision of judges, which no one knows? And how is he soo confident on it? I think its much exaggerated version.. Yes..judges contacting establishment abt their security, and then tht bit..,where he says abt justice ramday, trying to influence judges is also understandable..but the way he says..ke judges ne faisla kar liya hai..nawaz sharif k khilaf faisla de diya hai...ye kaisy isay pata hai? Shahid Masood also hinted abt tht justice ramday thing...difference was..he didnt take the name... But ye jis tarah se keh raha hia ke judges ne faisla kar liya hai..ke nawaz sharif k khilaf faisla dena, hai, phir ye hogaya, woh hogayaa.... I am doubtfull... I dont want to raise my hopes high
 
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Now you can guess the judgement.

Remarks

"It seems 'justice' is whatever serves [each party's] interests," Justice Asif Saeed Khosa remarked as the arguments wound up.

"If a judgement is not in someone's interest, they [will] say the judiciary is corrupt, or that maybe the judges aren't fit to handle such cases," he commented.

"And if a judgement benefits their own stand [on the issue], they will say there can be no better judge," he added.

"We will decide this case only by the law; such that people will say, 20 years down the line, that this judgement was made by the book," he concluded.
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Update :

Here is bad news for PTI.... Nawaz won the case ...my conclusion after reading this headline ...may be I am wrong but... for your eyes too..

SC vows to be thorough in verdict; judge says 99pc of all documents submitted ‘deserved to be thrown out’

http://www.dawn.com/news/1316671/suspenseful-wait-begins-as-panama-trial-concludes
THEN WHAT WAS ALL THE MONKEY DRAMA FOR 3 MONTHES IN SUPREME COURT FOR?

Here is bad news for PTI.... Nawaz won the case ...my conclusion after reading this headline ...may be I am wrong but... for your eyes too..

SC vows to be thorough in verdict; judge says 99pc of all documents submitted ‘deserved to be thrown out’

http://www.dawn.com/news/1316671/suspenseful-wait-begins-as-panama-trial-concludes
IN FACT HE WAS SAYING 99% OF JUDGES SHOULD BE THROWEN OUT OF COURTS
 
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.... I think its a matter more, of not taking initiative... I dont think, foreign forces will come to their help as much as we think ...i think the corrupt lot is chalay huay kartoos even for their foreign handlers... Lets take example of GCC first... Pakistan, under leadership of PML N , although it was a national decision, didnt go out of their way and didnt send forces to Yemen, and annoyed them to an extent... Do u think now GCC will go out of their way to save them? And for what, when the help tht they needed, were not given by PML N leadership, for whatever reasons.. I am thinking from GCC POV right now... In the future, they will still need help from Pak army, for their security and stability..so if army decides to manipulate things behind doors to bring political change, i dont think GCC will go out thier way and blackmail Pakistan, for PML N. If PML N was their asset, it didnt work out well for them... PML N was close to Saudis in 99 too..then what happened? Didnt GCC have relations with Parvez Musharraf? Infact when in exile, Nawaz Sharif in KSA, and denied the deal, between him, Musharraf, and Saudis, it was Prince Maqran, who showed tht letter of deal, in pressconference in Pak....

i honestly dont think..even West will go out of thir way to save PML N/PPP... As i said, its chalay huay kartos for them, and west never bets on unpopular leadership.. If US/West decide to sanctuon Pak, they will have numerous excuses for them.. They can use bogey of terrorism, nuclear program and other excuses.. If they want to sanction and blackmail Pak, they will do it regardless of whoever is in power, whether its PPP/PML N or any other political setup... So it will be a policy /strategic decision for them, according to tehir national interest, on how to deal with Pak... I dont think PPP/PML N matter to them as much as we think... I know..it will be good for West, if these are in power..but to think they will sanction Pak, or blackmail Pak, through IMF and other bodies..soleley because of PPP/PML N, .esp when the alternative is not Martial law, but another form of civilian setup.(like technocratic setip) ...is great exxageration or only our own justification for not taking initiative.. Its just lame excuses.......because West will eventually also have to deal with establishment, esp considering global security situation and terrorism...

I really think civilian technocratic setup is the only solution for few yrs and get some major things done, like accountability and police reforms, get major crooks out fo the system, and then hold elections afterwards... To me, theres no other solution..

I beg to differ. Most of the countries, specially western countries, want PPP and PMLN to continue. They provide them with a continuous source of income in terms of interest on loans.

Currently, it is not just PPP PMLN, it is our nuclear capability that every western country is after.

Ishaq Dar, a well known crook and a money launderer, has got so many loans and that too on unfavorable terms. We will start repayment of many of them from 2018. Have you noticed, we haven't spent the amount we have borrowed so far? This is what needs to continue so that we bow down to them and do whatever they want us to do.

GCC doesn't need Pakistan's help. Old times are gone when they had some issue with Israel. Now many countries that were enemies of Israel in 60s and 70s have accepted the existence of Israel such as Egypt and Jordan. GCC countries have also accepted the status quo. That's why you see their inclination towards India currently and you will see a constant increase in their investments in India in coming years. Anyway, they will find them standing where US block is. Pakistan is leaving the US block gradually.

But I can tell you with without doubt, the US and its allies, they don't want a corruption free government in Pakistan that will be very hard to control. For that, they will continue to support PMLN and PPPP, no matter what, unless PTI also submits to them and assures them of achieving their objectives.
 
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I am not expecting any suspense.
Simply, Justice is needed from Court.
 
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I have watched this video.. Infact someone even made a thread on this... But i am doubtful abt it... How does he know the decision of judges, which no one knows?

No, not about the decision. He is just assuming that since the decision is against PMLN, judges have asked a go ahead which Army has apparently given.

I told you earlier, that the security assurance has already been given that no one will be able to repeat what happened in 1997. Khair, baqi jitni baatain iss ne ki hain sab sach ki hain... Faislay par uss ne apni assumption lagai hai..

Aur jitna paisa offer kia ja raha tha pichlay dinon tak, I told you, ke kisi ka bhi eman kharab hosakta tha.. but it didn't work out the way PMLN wanted.

Athough we know tht verdict will take atleast 2 weeks but the wait seems too long :( Suspense is killing me :(

Well I am hopeful that this time it will be either 5-0 or 4-1 against NS.

What I am concerned about, what's after that? Looking at the condition of our "educated" and "mature" awaam, they will again elect their old masters, with different names...
 
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Aur jitna paisa offer kia ja raha tha pichlay dinon tak, I told you, ke kisi ka bhi eman kharab hosakta tha.. but it didn't work out the way PMLN wanted.

Well I am hopeful that this time it will be either 5-0 or 4-1 against NS.

What I am concerned about, what's after that? Looking at the condition of our "educated" and "mature" awaam, they will again elect their old masters, with different names...

Mujhe aaj phir se...pichlay dino parha janay wala ek dialogue bhtt yaad aaraha hai...

Is mulk ko imaandar judges ki nahi, bahadur judges ki zuroorat hai

I think we can safely assume abt Justice khosa and few others in this bench...(except one) tht they are honest... But are they brave enough too..to give a courageous decision, tht requires serious guts? This is the reason, I wanted to read Justice khosa's book "Judging with Passion" to know his thinking and psychology to an extent, but it isnt available online.. I think it wont be available easily in any library too... It might be available in Urdu bazar..could buy it from there..but i dont think i would be able to go there before panama case verdict... Door hai bhtt...:(

Did u watch Justice Wajihuddin's clips, tht I shared yesterday?
 
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