Panama Case: Joint Investigation Team probe

[PakSword]

That scary thing that you are pointing to, if i am getting it right will be catastrophic but i dont think it will go to that point. Army have a strong setup when it comes to following ranks. I hope that THAT particular line wont ve crossed either and there wont be a martial law but still the will try and get things done. Lets see.

No, its not "THAT". Its just scary for shareefs.. As some say.. they won't know what has hit them..

 

[Realistic Change]

Those who know the actual info knew what happened ...

The Gov tried to Outplay the Army .... that was their miscalculation...... 2 of the very important figures of PM house were responsible for advising PM to go on collision course... even though his own brother advised against it .... now things are about the reach the point on No return ..... lets hope for what is best for our country.....

It started after yesterday's visit of COAS to 30 Corp - Gujranwala Garrison met Lt. Gen Ikram ul Haq and those with PA connections know the importance of this very active administrative corp. There were quite a few fireworks as discussed yesterday's meeting in the forum.

As for the issue of PA wanting to get out of this mess of JIT (had mentioned earlier re a critical issue re JIT as well), is that justice should prevail through SCP as independently and by being without any PA involvement. It's a time ticking game; if N$ somehow becomes successful in getting his case in SCP delayed; then Dawn Leaks saga has to unfold before SCP case which is not the choice of many as it can be termed as "siyasi shahadat" which is being tried to be avoided at all costs.

Choices for PMLN are getting limited; either get the symbolic head gone - as discussed earlier in this forum that two distinct lobbies within PMLN are playing on two different trajectories; one trying to save N$ and other trying to find a mid way mini vacation solution sans N$. However, choices are to become a convict through SCP or try to get siyasi shahadat through other institution.

Lots going on things are changing and developing within one call of 30 minutes - Isb has many rumour mills going and media cell of Maryam is active in selling it's own cheap rumours even promoting that N$ can go to the extent of changing heads - it's bull crap but thats what Maryam's cell had been doing ever since it had it's circumstantial birth through villainous and vile test tubes.

No, its not "THAT". Its just scary for shareefs.. As some say.. they won't know what has hit them..

That can very well happen; depending on how poor N$ plays his cards to save his immediate family and himself and has put entire PMLN Govt., on the altar - the buck has to stop somewhere - his inflated ego is punctured with four pronged hits.

 

[Verve]

That scary thing that you are pointing to, if i am getting it right will be catastrophic but i dont think it will go to that point. Army have a strong setup when it comes to following ranks. I hope that THAT particular line wont ve crossed either and there wont be a martial law but still the will try and get things done. Lets see.

It's about time Fawad Hasan Fawad is picked up ... that guy I think is an enemy snake and the mastermind behind this.

 

[Glockaholic]

How to follow some one on this forum

 

[Farah Sohail]

It started after yesterday's visit of COAS to 30 Corp - Gujranwala Garrison and met with Lt. Gen Ikram ul Haq and those with PA connections know the importance of this very active administrative corp. There were quite a few fireworks as discussed yesterday in the forum.

As for the issue of PA wanting to get out of this mess of JIT (had mentioned earlier re a critical issue re JIT as well), is that justice should prevail through SCP as independently and by being without any PA involvement. It's a time game; if N$ somehow becomes successful in getting his case in SCP delayed; then Dawn Leaks saga will unfold which is not the choice as it can be termed as "siyasi shahadat" which is being tried to be avoided at all costs.

Choices for PMLN are getting limited; either get the symbolic head gone - as discussed earlier in this forum that two distinct lobbies within PMLN are playing on two different trajectories; one trying to save N$ and other trying to find a mid way mini vacation solution sans N$. However, choices are to become a convict through SCP or try to get siyasi shahadat through other institution.

Lots going on things are changing and developing within one call of 30 minutes - Isb has many rumour mills going and media cell of Maryam is active in selling it's own cheap rumours even promoting that N$ can go to the extent of changing heads - it's bull crap but thats what Maryam's cell had been doing ever since it had it's circumstantial birth through villainous and vile test tubes.



That can very well happen; depending on how poor N$ plays his cards to save his immediate family and himself and has put entire PMLN Govt., on the altar - the buck has to stop somewhere - his inflated ego is punctured with four pronged hits.

I am unable to understand this news of army want to get out of panama JIT.. Do u think its true?. Because i find it hard to believe... If army was reluctant or hesitant to participate in tht JIT..why would they they tweet twice abt it? Once they did...after Aitezaz Ahsan's statement, and then, after sec corp comm conference in a month..there was pressrelease tht our instituitions will play a fair role in JIT.. If they were reluctant..why would they make a public statement regd it..twice? They could have simply written the letter to CJ.. After assuring abt their role, publicly, regd JIT...it will be weird if they distance itself from it... So i think, its just a rumor only?? What do u think?.

No, its not "THAT". Its just scary for shareefs.. As some say.. they won't know what has hit them..

Why are u both talking in code words?? What is THAT here?? lolll

It's about time Fawad Hasan Fawad is picked up ... that guy I think is an enemy snake and the mastermind behind this.

Yup.. If Fawad hasan Fawad is picked up..then Nawaz Sharif and Maryam are gone.. He will start singing against NS in no time.. He has lots to tell, regd sharif family... Then we can say good bye to baji Maryam's political future..

Regd, Fawad being the main mastermind.. I think its either Maryam/Nawaz Sharif.... Fawad is the main facilitator though.. Rao Tehseen, as we have heard through media persons on tv, is innocent.. He wasnt even in Islamabad at tht time.. He shouldnt be harrassed in this case...neither Tariq Fatmi.. Arresting Fawad will be the best thing, tht could happen...

 

[Realistic Change]

It's about time Fawad Hasan Fawad is picked up ... that guy I think is an enemy snake and the mastermind behind this.

Let him remain there he is PMLN's opponents goldmine and nothing but mouthpiece of First Daughter and defecto Deputy Prime Minister.

He has been used to settle a lot of scores within PMLN, whoever in party (Minister) tries to become "independent" and sar kash - he gets the dose from FHF.

I am sure very soon he will be, from Principal Secretary to Wa'ada Ma'af Gawah

 

[Verve]

Regd, Fawad being the main mastermind.. I think its either Maryam/Nawaz Sharif.... Fawad is the main facilitator though

The one to plant the idea, the strategist, in Fawad ... enemy snakes are everywhere (we have a history of RAW people sitting in senior posts) and people like him are string pullers of NS and MS.

 

[Farah Sohail]

The one to plant the idea, the strategist, in Fawad ... enemy snakes are everywhere (we have a history of RAW people sitting in senior posts) and people like him are string pullers of NS and MS.

I think none else could be as vicious and full of hatred against Pak and full of love for India, other than abba and beti... His dhitayi can be seen...in meeting Sajjan Jindal, when he is embroiled in all sorts of scandals, panama, dawn leaks, and kashmir movement is at its peak..and yet he is shamelessly meeting jindal, and baji maryam proudly tweets tht he is an old friend of the PM...

Either ways..if Fawad is arrested...he will have lots to tell regd sharif family, and things of critical importance to pak's security..even more than Ehsanullah Ehsan..

 

[Guvera]

Jindal didn't come here to have Nihari with nawaz in Murree, he was here to convey the message from Butcher of Gujraat and the msg was "Go down Fighting" Nawaz wont resign now, he has changed gears....he is in a total destruction mode now, and as far as today's tweet of DG ISPR is concerned its the response of Jawan's of PA they were not happy the way national security breach has been handled by PM and his team, very tough time ahead for PM and his "Family" do Remember the Gen.Kakar act guys

 

[Farah Sohail]

Jindal didn't come here to have Nihari with nawaz in Murree, he was here to convey the message from Butcher of Gujraat and the msg was "Go down Fighting" Nawaz wont resign now, he has changed gears....he is in a total destruction mode now, and as far as today's tweet of DG ISPR is concerned its the response of Jawan's of PA they were not happy the way national security breach has been handled by PM and his team, very tough time ahead for PM and his "Family" do Remember the Gen.Kakar act guys

Kaash..ek aur judge convince hojatay tu is aadmi se tu hamesha ke liye chutkaata mil jata..and tht too on dishonesty..

Ab bhi agar ek aur judge kisi tarah convince hojayein... Advocate aur pakora se tu koi umeed nahi hai... Justice Ijazul Ahsan convince hosaktay hain... Lekin ye JIT banay gi kab? Advocate shayad kal wapis aarahay hain.. I hope woh akelay hi JIT members choose na karein...and i hope Justice Khosa has a say in tht

 

[Guvera]

Kaash..ek aur judge convince hojatay tu is aadmi se tu hamesha ke liye chutkaata mil jata..and tht too on dishonesty..

Ab bhi agar ek aur judge kisi tarah convince hojayein... Advocate aur pakora se tu koi umeed nahi hai... Justice Ijazul Ahsan convince hosaktay hain... Lekin ye JIT banay gi kab? Advocate shayad kal wapis aarahay hain.. I hope woh akelay hi JIT members choose na karein...and i hope Justice Khosa has a say in tht

JIT is useless piece of junk, bhool jayen usko

 

[Farah Sohail]

JIT is useless piece of junk, bhool jayen usko

Hmmm... Agar tu advocate finalise karay ga.....tab tu waqayi junk hai... Ek slight chance hai...tht maybe J Khosa also has some say in tht..and he takes personal interest in finalising the names...esp after consulting his brother Tariq Khosa.. Lekin kal jo article share kia tha, us main tu likha tha tht only Advocate will finalise the names... Ye kuch ajeeb baat hai, waisy ....

 

[Realistic Change]

Surprise regd JIT??

Also...does anyone know..who is Wajid Zia?? He is likely to lead JIT..as the nominee from FIA.... Other two add Dir FIA have gone "on leave" acc to geo news...so not a very encouraging scenario.. Wajid Zia must be PML N's fav...

Suppose in given circumstances MI & ISI excuse themselves as purportedly suggests by COAS to CJP - would that be a surprise for many?

Now; if it happens; what will be the confidence level of everyone over the structure of JIT - would anyone, including SCP have any faith in members from SECP, NAB, FIA, and SBP? And what if this bench in absence of properly composed JIT, gives decision when first report of JIT is presented; which obviously would be as absurd as Qatari Letter, if not more.

Just today, the summary of the report issued on Dawn Leak by the PM has been thrown out of the park by MI & ISI, so the message somewhat was like this; if you do not have to include our recommendations, then why include us in JIT/Committees/Commissions - we can do our own independent inquiry under Army Act, as it had been a qualified "national security breach" and no body contested it's classification as such.

This issue was also was rightly pointed out by Lt. Gen who is considered to be a very trustworthy and highly respected professional among top brass of Army - although main agenda wasn't that in COAS's visit. There had been reports of many other discussions between high ranking PA officers even at Pasrur and later in Pindi the same night the result was communique of Fawad Hassan Fawad and then Gen. Asim Ghafoor and then everything is now open.

Issue at the core of the matter is; dodgy political stunt and concealing some names while tilting the responsibility of the Dawn leak which has twisted the whole story.

In the meanwhile; NAB Chairman had some pleasant moments in Islamabad:

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[fatman17]

The COAS has a serious bottom up problem. The rank and file, majority of them have given the ultimate sacrifice in fighting terrorism, wants to know if it's worth their while to continue to be the sacrificial lambs for an ungrateful government who is supporting the enemy's narrative. God forbid this could result in coup by junior officers and then we've had it. That is the reason the ISPR tweet was sent out, and that could be the reason for the COAS to pull out ISI and MI from the Panama JIT.

 

[Realistic Change]

PA is contemplating their own inquiry in classified National Security Breach if PM does not reveal the true names of those who masterminded this fabricated news.

Let's see how N$ reacts in the meeting that he is chairing now - hard times for N$; if he survives this; then it will be at the cost of almost irreparable damage - there is no win win for all now.