Pakistan's New F-16s Can Beat India's Su-30s; Rafales Are The Counter

[abdulbarijan]

Well lets just knock something out of the way, this is the usual yada yada -- where some people go, "well this jet of the IAF cannot take on this jet" or " IAF in its current form cannot do XYZ " -- and they draw up on the conclusion of " hence IAF needs this, this and this" ---

However, I was amazed at some of the sarcastic responses from the Indian side -- I mean -- like really ?? -- Your gonna take on the kids from our side who quote YOUR media outlet saying such stuff that you term comical -- if you wanna criticize someone --- the one's you should be criticizing are the people who write up this stuff -- not the ones discussing it ...

BTW BLK-52 is amongst the most advanced versions of the falcon second only to blk-60, so one cannot simply go "haha this is funny" because blk-52 is not JUST a credible threat -- it would be the biggest headache IAF would face if it goes in to battle with the PAF ..

But IAF has already rejected the most advanced verison of f 16

I think you should also know that PAF (in different time frames) has evaluated and rejected 2 of the participants in your MMRCA i.e SAAB Gripen and the winner of your MMRCA the rafale .. just sayin ....

Nervous Pakistani posts fake thread about the F16 beating SU30MKI because the flankers just destroyed RAF TYPHOONS in Indrahush 2015 in WVR combat

I think the pakistanis are feeling the heat from 200 of these

Fake threads originating from sites called " Arming India" -- well if you think we're feeling the heat, how about those surgical strikes or the offensive defense you guys keep telling us about ...

I mean since MKI can take out pretty much anything -- why not put that theory to a little experiment against the PAF...

 

[WaLeEdK2]

We only have 18 blk 52s. And less than 100 F-16s. India has 200+ Su-30s. Right now we don't have enough quality or quantity. I'd say we better get those j-10b's fast and in numbers.

 

[SecularNationalist]

yeah we will you go dream for rafales

Rafale is just a bharti dream..It,s like a malnourished indian buying a Mercedes benz.

Why too many bharothis are humping their chests in this thread? We for sure know how to balance and counter potent jets like su30 which is no joke.In temrs of BVR SU30 is superior but in terms of close combat an dog fight our pilot training and F16 upgrades are superior .That,s how we are maintaining our deterrent and IAF knows in war they will face a very tough time. PAF is not idiot .

 

[Uzair Shafiq [Босс]]

Alhamdulillah
Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Gandhi follower]

Well lets just knock something out of the way, this is the usual yada yada -- where some people go, "well this jet of the IAF cannot take on this jet" or " IAF in its current form cannot do XYZ " -- and they draw up on the conclusion of " hence IAF needs this, this and this" ---

However, I was amazed at some of the sarcastic responses from the Indian side -- I mean -- like really ?? -- Your gonna take on the kids from our side who quote YOUR media outlet saying such stuff that you term comical -- if you wanna criticize someone --- the one's you should be criticizing are the people who write up this stuff -- not the ones discussing it ...

BTW BLK-52 is amongst the most advanced versions of the falcon second only to blk-60, so one cannot simply go "haha this is funny" because blk-52 is not JUST a credible threat -- it would be the biggest headache IAF would face if it goes in to battle with the PAF ..



I think you should also know that PAF (in different time frames) has evaluated and rejected 2 of the participants in your MMRCA i.e SAAB Gripen and the winner of your MMRCA the rafale .. just sayin ....




Fake threads originating from sites called " Arming India" -- well if you think we're feeling the heat, how about those surgical strikes or the offensive defense you guys keep telling us about ...

I mean since MKI can take out pretty much anything -- why not put that theory to a little experiment against the PAF...

Can you please post the link that PAF rejected rafale and saab gripen on the basis of performance. It amaze me that PAF rejected this two birds and bought junk from jordan.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Do you know each participant has incurred expenses upto 100 mn ?

This is peanuts compared to India budget. And money did't get waste. You experienced on top tier fighters.

 

[Gandhi follower]

This is peanuts compared to India budget. And money did't get waste. You experienced on top tier fighters.

Lol... This money is invested by the participants not by indian govt.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Can you please post the link that PAF rejected rafale and saab gripen on the basis of performance. It amaze me that PAF rejected this two birds and bought junk from jordan.

You can find alot of it on the PAF section of this forum, unlike IAF dealings, PAF doesn't usually go we're "evaluating XYZ" unless ofcourse if that information is somehow leaked on forums like this by insiders, however the Gripens were rejected in the late 90's, the rafales in early 2000's I suppose... but you wont find any concrete links unfortunately ...

However, as far as "junk" is concerned -- well you'll just have to prove that 20 odd modern air forces in the world chose "junk" as their mainstay fighters including the USAF and even your pals the Israelis ... the same "junk" that serves as the standard for how good a multi role fighter really is ...

 

[danger007]

Rafale is just a bharti dream..It,s like a malnourished indian buying a Mercedes benz.

Why too many bharothis are humping their chests in this thread? We for sure know how to balance and counter potent jets like su30 which is no joke.In temrs of BVR SU30 is superior but in terms of close combat an dog fight our pilot training and F16 upgrades are superior .That,s how we are maintaining our deterrent and IAF knows in war they will face a very tough time. PAF is not idiot .

what a emotional post... this is BVR era... you rarely get into dog fight....

 

[Gandhi follower]

You can find alot of it on the PAF section of this forum, unlike IAF dealings, PAF doesn't usually go we're "evaluating XYZ" unless ofcourse if that information is somehow leaked on forums like this by insiders, however the Gripens were rejected in the late 90's, the rafales in early 2000's I suppose... but you wont find any concrete links unfortunately ...

However, as far as "junk" is concerned -- well you'll just have to prove that 20 odd modern air forces in the world chose "junk" as their mainstay fighters including the USAF and even your pals the Israelis ... the same "junk" that serves as the standard for how good a multi role fighter really is ...

25 years old air frame is supposed to be a junk. A country is retiring her junk and another is more than happy to take it .. What i would call it !!

Please the the results and links which says paf rejected them because of performance issues . Your budget do not support it that is why you went for jf 17 which is not even china is buying . Even you are ready to export it but still u bought junk from jordan . What does it tell about jf 17 !!

 

[abdulbarijan]

25 years old air frame is supposed to be a junk. A country is retiring her junk and another is more than happy to take it .. What i would call it !!

Please the the results and links which says paf rejected them because of performance issues . Your budget do not support it that is why you went for jf 17 which is not even china is buying . Even you are ready to export it but still u bought junk from jordan . What does it tell about jf 17 !!

Okay, then the Mig-29 SMT's would also qualify as junk since the original Mig 29's IAF started to acquire, by late 80's ... the fact of the matter is -- with structural upgrades like Falcon star, you can increase the airframe life to 8000 hrs or so.. hence the junk you talk of, with the falcon star and the MLU upgrade will be amongst the biggest headache for the IAF in a conflict against the PAF ...

and lastly, I don't recall myself saying that PAF rejected the Gripens and the rafales on performance parameters --- Gripen was rejected because of the usage of US technology in the late 90's while we were under sanctions and the fact that JF-17 was ultimately going to be "something similar" meaning a "light weight multirole" -- rafale on the other hand was deemed too costly and the fact that PAF was ultimately offered the J-10's and the blk-52's and the MLU upgrades which was a much better fit then rafale...

Lastly -- about JF-17 -- no matter what the Indian side thinks --- it is a game changer for the PAF --- we have a 4th generation cost effective platform which can replace our older platforms effectively.. unlike the IAF which is still waiting on LCA to replace what its own people term as the flying coffins...

As far as what China not as of now operating the JFT, or PAF going for F-16 while still operating JF-17 says --- well it says nothing w.r.t the JFT --

F-16 is a medium/heavy weight fighter, while JFT is a middle tier cost effective light weight fighter --- this weight class difference alone translates in to two different roles, If PAF wasn't operating the JFT's it would be operating either M2K's or Gripens along with the falcons, would the same condition hold for either of those two --- or does it only hold for JFT because friends across the border have a little bias towards JFT...

Infact lets not forget that the mighty SU-30 was inducted in the Russian airforce in 2013/14 nearly 2 decades after its formal introduction in 96 .. so does that mean that SU-30 was any less of a threat in say 2008 because the Russians hadn't inducted it then ???

 

[JPMM]

Just relax! If time came to fight against esch other, the PAF just have to seat back and enjoy the HUNTING!

 

[Dr Gupta]

Depends on the skill of a pilot, the weapons and the AWACS as India has the top notch Israeli system. It is not just about a 1-2-1 dog fight but many variables to consider.

India has one of the most advanced AWACS in the world which even China wanted but US did not give approval for Israel to sell.

Also it is worth bearing in mind the ground systems in place which will also play a big role in any conflict. These days fighter jets are used when you have air dominance such as Iraq, Libya etc. Neither India or Pakistan will ever get this so in the initial conflict missiles like Brahmos, Akash etc will play a huge role.

The Rafales are more for China rather than Pakistan (not to say they can't be used) but these are strategic in nature and will be used in the NE region along with the Mountain division.

 

[Gandhi follower]

Okay, then the Mig-29 SMT's would also qualify as junk since IAF started to acquire them by late 80's ... the fact of the matter is -- with upgrades like Falcon star, you can increase the airframe life to 8000 hrs or so.. hence the junk you talk of, with the falcon star and the MLU upgrade will be the biggest headache for the IAF in a conflict against the PAF ...

and lastly, I don't recall myself saying that PAF rejected the Gripens and the rafales on performance parameters --- Gripen was rejected because of the usage of US technology in the late 90's while we were under sanctions and the fact that JF-17 was ultimately going to be "something similar" meaning a "light weight multirole" -- rafale on the other hand was deemed too costly and the fact that PAF was ultimately offered the J-10's and the blk-52's and the MLU upgrades which was a much better fit then rafale...

Lastly -- about JF-17 -- it is a game changer for the PAF --- we have a 4th generation cost effective platform which can replace our older platforms effectively.. unlike the IAF which is still waiting on LCA to replace what its own people term as the flying coffins...

As far as what China not as of now operating the JFT, or PAF going for F-16 while still operating JF-17 says --- well it says nothing bad about the JFT -- F-16 is a medium/heavy weight fighter, while JFT is a middle tier cost effective light weight fighter --- lets not forget that the mighty SU-30 was inducted in the Russian airforce in 2013/14 nearly 2 decades after its formal introduction in 96 .. so does that mean that SU-30 was any less of a threat in say 2008 because the Russians hadn't inducted it then ???

So , f 16 the most advanced version is rejected by IAF on performance not on the issue of cost. Very different what you wanted to portray in your previous posts.

Russian are using the sukhoi series since her inception. China also has lot of russian birds. The point that tickle me why pakistan chose jordan junks when they had the option of brand new f17.

 

[IncredibleIndia]